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  2. @Jack4 Did I hurt your feelings? You are young and you are a trad. If you do not want to be called youngTrad all you need to do is cease being young or cease being a trad. I even capitalized the T for you out of respect.
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  4. The first two sentences of that post of mine was not addressed to @BarbaraTherese; they were addressed to the post immediately above, ie you (@Peace). You using words like "youngtrad" and "tradradar" are what I am referring to. It is not a matter of doctrine. No one denies that "the Church can, has and will change with new insights and understandings" if change in discipline is what you are referring to. It is doctrine that doesn't change*. *Change in the sense of reversal or contradiction of previous teaching, as opposed to a deeper understanding of the pre-existing doctrine. I did not even raise the word. As an aside, I have read Lamentabili numerous times. I have also read many parts of Pascendi. JP2 upheld DP in principle. I read BT as condemning DP in principle. @BarbaraTherese, can you clarify whether you think DP is legitimate in principle?
  5. No one would say that he was pro-DP either. The conversation that I and @BarbaraTherese were having did not relate to whether it is intrinsically evil.
  6. Because you are an anti-Catholic and you want to attack and convince us that our Church is wrong, rather than have an fruitful discussion while respecting our views. We are calling spades spades are we not?
  7. little2add

    March for Life 2018

    According to my brother, there was approximately 200 k at the March, 70% were younger than 30...the catholic churches is now focusing on getting the message to the youth, through education and science. The local chapter of the Knights of Columbus last year provided 1000 ultra sounds to clinics to show the mom the baby. And again, as usual, the national news media, hardly noticed
  8. nikita92

    PCPA's of Hanceville New Website

    I was wondering about her!:*(
  9. Kayte Postle

    Kayte Discerns (An Ongoing Journey)

    Hey pham, My visit with community B went very well, and a bit not like what I expected. I'm not going to go into huge details, but I have concluded that community B is not where I am called. It's really hard because I felt a tremendous about of peace the first day I was there, but after talking with the VD I know for sure that it's just not the right place for me. One of the things I was, and still am, processing from the retreat is the ability to let go of my family. I'm very close with them, and this retreat for some reason really brought that particular fear to the surface and I felt it's effects very much over the weekend. On the bright side, praises be to God that I was healthy the whole weekend, no migraines at all! I'm still in contact with community C, and have pushed back my visit with them to a tentative date in April. I've got a lot to process before I finalize those plans though. I'm honestly at a point where I'm ready to make a hard decision one way or the other; to enter or give up on religious life for good. I'm going to start aging out of communities soon, and it's just time to stop being a "sister of perpetual discernment". I need to stop trying to have my cake and eat it too, (a huge explanation behind this I'll keep to myself for now). I ask for your prayers, that I may have clarity of God's will, and that I may accept His loving will whatever it may be. Know that I'm praying for you all!
  10. iasshiksha

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  11. St Pope Pius X formally enabled children at 7 years or over to first receive Reconciliation and Holy Communion. I quote the above (although neither doctrine nor dogma) to illustrate that the Church can, has and will change with new insights and understandings. It reminds me of what Jesus said: "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you." John Chapter 16 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PXO.HTM "What are Doctrine, Dogma and Theology" http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/what-are-dogma-doctrine-and-theology Nor did I state that you did call me a modernist. Rather, since the word had been raised, I felt that we needed to ensure we had the same definition of the word, "modernism". (Incidentally as an aside, the Oath Against Modernism has never been abolished, rather the rule and demand that the oath be made by all priests was abolished.)
  12. She taught that it was not acceptable to teach heliocentism, and then at a later time she taught that is was acceptable to teach it. That is a change. @Jack4 from our point of view you are being the snark. @BarbaraTherese didn’t write anything about dogma changing or Church teaching contradicting itself. It seems that your tradRadar went off at the mere mention of the word change. Relax
  13. I have made the distinction between develop and contradict. Please turn down the snark. @BarbaraTherese https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-galileo-controversy explains the Galileo controversy.
  14. The Church teaches many things that are not dogma. Nobody here was suggesting that dogmas change. You already admited here that doctrine develops and development is a form of change. So logically you have already conceded that Church teaching changes. I hope that offend your sensibilities youngTrad.
  15. The Church never taught geocentrism as a doctrine. I did not call you a modernist. Rather, I pointed out that when the Church was combating them, she had to state certain things about the nature of her own teaching - including that it doesn't evolve to a different meaning.
  16. It is obviously very important that in using a word such as "modernism" and the like, that the parties to a conversation on the subject are all talking about the same definition; alternatively, exchanging concepts of the definition: CatholicCulture.org https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=34926 Term MODERNISM Definition A theory about the origin and nature of Christianity, first developed into a system by George Tyrrell (1861-1909), Lucien Laberthonnière (1860-1932), and Alfred Loisy (1857-1940). According to Modernism, religion is essentially a matter of experience, personal and collective. There is no objective revelation from God to the human race, on which Christianity is finally based, nor any reasonable grounds for credibility in the Christian faith, based on miracles or the testimony of history. Faith, therefore, is uniquely from within. In fact it is part of human nature, "a kind of motion of the heart," hidden and unconscious. It is, in Modernist terms, a natural instinct belonging to the emotions, a "feeling for the divine" that cannot be expressed in words or doctrinal propositions, an attitude of spirit that all people have naturally but that some are more aware of having. Modernism was condemned by Pope St. Pius X in two formal documents, Lamentabiliand Pascendi, both published in 1907. (Etym. Latin modernus, belonging to the present fashion.) https://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/MODERSM.TXTMODERNIST ERRORS (AS TAKEN FROM <LAMENTABILI>) 4. The magisterium of the Church, even by dogmatic definitions, cannot determine the genuine sense of the sacred Scriptures. 5. Since in the deposit of faith only revealed truths are contained, in no respect does it pertain to the Church to pass judgment on the assertions of human sciences. 7. When the Church proscribes errors, she cannot exact any internal assent of the faithful by which the judgments published by her are embraced. 11. Divine inspiration does not so extend to all sacred Scripture so that it fortifies each and every part of it against all error. 14. In many narratives the Gospel writers related not so much what is true, as what they thought to be more profitable for the reader, although false. 18. John, indeed, claims for himself the character of an eyewitness concerning Christ, but in reality he is nothing but a distinguished witness of the Christian life or of the life of the Christian Church at the end of the first century. 25. The assent of faith ultimately depends on an accumulation of probabilities. 27. The divinity of Jesus Christ is not proved from the Gospels but is a dogma which the Christian conscience has deduced from the notion of the Messiah. 28. When Jesus was exercising his ministry, he did not speak with the purpose of teaching that he was the Messiah, nor did his miracles have as their purpose to demonstrate this. 29. It may be conceded that the Christ whom history presents is far inferior to the Christ who is the object of faith. 35. Christ did not always have the consciousness of his Messianic dignity. 36. The resurrection of the Savior is not properly a fact of the historical order, but a fact of the purely supernatural order, neither demonstrated nor demonstrable, and which the Christian conscience gradually derived from other sources. 52. It was foreign to the mind of Christ to establish a Church as a society upon earth to endure for a long course of centuries; rather, in the mind of Christ the kingdom of heaven together with the end of the world was to come presently. 53. The organic constitution of the Church is not immutable, but Christian society, just as human society, is subject to perpetual evolution. 55. Simon Peter never even suspected that the primacy of the Church was entrusted to him by Christ. 64. The progress of the sciences demand that the concepts of Christian doctrine about God, creation, revelation, the person of the incarnate Word, and redemption be readjusted. 65. Present day Catholicism cannot be reconciled with true science unless it be transformed into a kind of non-dogmatic Christianity, that is, into a broad and liberal Protestantism.
  17. Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10moath.htm I can quote more. The point being that Church teaching doesn't "change".
  18. No. That DP is legitimate in principle is taught by JP2. No one would say that he wasn't pro-life. We receive revelation which is free from error. The deposit doesn't teach whether DP is justly administere in our time, it only gives principles to evaluate so. DP, unlike the other stuff you mention, is legitimate in principle so if it is unjustly administered it is due to logistic factors. I'm sorry if I haven't; please direct me to those questions. Leaving aside the fact that Dr Feser, bright as he is, is not afaik a hero in mainstream circles of liturgical traditionalism; He has explained in his blog how he obeys DV; I've linked to it here. Thank you. With this, I believe we agree about the central issue at hand. I mean this sincerely.
  19. Indeed it is nonsense. Then "pro-DP folks" are simply attempting rationalisation of an illogical position. One is either for life or for some life only.
  20. little2add

    affordable universal coverage

    fiscal conservatives are the problem. Just because the government is 27 trillion in debt is no reason the gov can’t provide healthcare
  21. here is another well written article stating the pro death penalty stuff and trying not to state what's true, if we're all honest.... that this is a contradiction.
  22. I do not care if you think my arguments are terrible, and I do not care if you "shake the dust from your shoes". Have a good night.
  23. what you just can't stand it that you have to have the last word too? so you're not just illogical, but you're a d*ck too? id be nicer but you came at me sideways first, and your arguments are terrible. i suppose it's best to just shake the dust from my shoes, as the early christians would say, trying to enlighten your dark and lost mind.
  24. I do not care about what you think I should read and I do not want to have a debate with you, because I think that you are an idiot and it would be a waste of my time. If you think that I am "lost in my own head" I am perfectly fine with that. I do not value your opinion of me. Have a good night.
  25. if you can't call a spade a spade, that's your problem. id invite you to challenge me to a debate on catholic contradictions, but i see you are lost in your own head for you to learn anything. you should read the article i posted just a second ago. it's more official. you might actually learn something. why you comin at me side ways so much? and they are wondering why the forum is doing so bad. if you can't commit to logical thinking, don't expect others to follow your lead.
  26. You can call it whatever you like. Nobody cares what you think.
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