[InHisLove726]

Does anyone know of an order that is both Carmelite and Franciscan? I'd be very interested to check it out. I know that the Sister Servants of the Eternal Word is combined Dominican and Franciscan, so I was wondering if there was anything of the sort for someone drawn to both Carmelite and Franciscan orders?

Thanks in advance! ;)

[FiereMargriet]

I don't know if a trip abroad is in the cards, but off the top of my head I know the Tiberiade community (named after the Tiber river). I encountered them in Belgium, where the language of the community is French (although if you visit many do speak English), but they also have houses in France, Lithuania, and the Congo. Their chief patrons are SS Therese of Lisieux and Francis of Assisi. They are VERY contemplative but have an apostolate of hosting retreats for families and youth--I believe they also run some university dorms in Belgium.

They are a "co-ed" community, with both brothers and sisters. I went there on a retreat with a Lithuanian exchange student friend of mine, and while I could tell that it wasn't where I was called, I have nothing but fond memories of my time there. Their one postulant (a young woman) seemed very eager to make a foundation in America, so who knows? I'd try contacting them and maybe they'd know other communities with a similar spirituality.

[FiereMargriet]

Oh, and I should mention how they live both spiritualities--from my knowledge, they live the simple life of St. Francis (their grounds are beautiful, like a fairy-tale village), but try to practice the "Little Way" of St. Therese. A very good combination, in my opinion! Even if I am a Dominican!

[FiereMargriet]

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This post has been edited by FiereMargriet: 18 June 2009 - 08:41 PM

[InHisLove726]

FiereMargriet, on Jun 18 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

I don't know if a trip abroad is in the cards, but off the top of my head I know the Tiberiade community (named after the Tiber river). I encountered them in Belgium, where the language of the community is French (although if you visit many do speak English), but they also have houses in France, Lithuania, and the Congo. Their chief patrons are SS Therese of Lisieux and Francis of Assisi. They are VERY contemplative but have an apostolate of hosting retreats for families and youth--I believe they also run some university dorms in Belgium.

They are a "co-ed" community, with both brothers and sisters. I went there on a retreat with a Lithuanian exchange student friend of mine, and while I could tell that it wasn't where I was called, I have nothing but fond memories of my time there. Their one postulant (a young woman) seemed very eager to make a foundation in America, so who knows? I'd try contacting them and maybe they'd know other communities with a similar spirituality.

You are kidding?!?? I was thinking earlier that it would be incredible to have an order with both St. Therese and St. Francis as the patrons of a Carmelite and Franciscan order! :shock: I was watching St. Therese's biography on EWTN earlier today and felt overwhelming awe at the Carmelites again. It's so hard to give one up for the other. ;)

I was also thinking of the kind of habits they would have, and I imagined a bluish grey (like the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal), with a Franciscan cord, and a Brown Carmelite scapular draped over the top. They would wear veils as well.

I imagined their name would be something like:

Sisters of St. Therese and St. Francis

or

Franciscan Sisters of St. Therese

I don't know if I have it in me to make a new foundation, but I'd be open to it. I hear so often that people are drawn to both spiritualities. ;) Only what God wills!

This post has been edited by InHisLove726: 18 June 2009 - 08:51 PM

[InHisLove726]

I'll definitely look into the order you listed, though! That's neat that someone has though along the same lines as I have.

[Gemma]

InHisLove726, on Jun 18 2009, 10:47 PM, said:

You are kidding?!?? I was thinking earlier that it would be incredible to have an order with both St. Therese and St. Francis as the patrons of a Carmelite and Franciscan order! :shock: I was watching St. Therese's biography on EWTN earlier today and felt overwhelming awe at the Carmelites again. It's so hard to give one up for the other. ;)

I was also thinking of the kind of habits they would have, and I imagined a bluish grey (like the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal), with a Franciscan cord, and a Brown Carmelite scapular draped over the top. They would wear veils as well.

I imagined their name would be something like:

Sisters of St. Therese and St. Francis

or

Franciscan Sisters of St. Therese

I don't know if I have it in me to make a new foundation, but I'd be open to it. I hear so often that people are drawn to both spiritualities. ;) Only what God wills!

http://groups.yahoo....rs_and_Friends/

Sign up for this group--we have regular conferences on making new foundations.

Sounds lovely--please be open to its development.

Need rule, constitutions, horarium, formation program, novitiate, remunerative work, stable source of habit parts and four persevering members before one can get a bishop's approval. Running straight to the bishop with the idea is very premature--the charism has to develop, and be lived.

Blessings,
Gemma

[InHisLove726]

Gemma, on Jun 18 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

http://groups.yahoo....rs_and_Friends/

Sign up for this group--we have regular conferences on making new foundations.

Sounds lovely--please be open to its development.

Need rule, constitutions, horarium, formation program, novitiate, remunerative work, stable source of habit parts and four persevering members before one can get a bishop's approval. Running straight to the bishop with the idea is very premature--the charism has to develop, and be lived.

Blessings,
Gemma

I honestly believe it would be a worthwhile endeavor. I do have the entrepreneurial spark in me and I always thought it would be quite interesting to start an order that has roots in both Carmelite and Franciscan spirituality. I don't want to do it unless Jesus asks me, though. Maybe I should jot these ideas down on paper with collective ideas as they come to me.

I imagine that the order would be active/contemplative and would serve both the poor (since St. Therese wanted to be a missionary, and St. Francis loved the poor), and be contemplative. The horarium would not be too difficult, but I think I'd have trouble writing a rule and doing the other necessary things.

We'll see. I'll pray about it, but I still want to discern with the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal.

[Maria_Faustina]

This thread really makes me smile. An order like that would be simply amazing. If it was God's Will. Of course. :)

[InHisLove726]

If God wills it in to being and gives me the idea, I imagine He will give me the graces necessary to do what needs to be done. It would be something to have a new order, but I've read about the process and it can be very tedious, very daunting work. All for the glory of God, though, right? ;)

I do have some ideas (more than what I wrote here) and I'm trying to picture the order. Right now, they are just ideas, and I'm not even close to certain that it could happen, but it COULD happen. Like I said before, I am open to the possibilities.

[In The Arms of The Lord]

Oh WOW! What a beautiful idea! Just trying to imagine it sounds so beautiful; the habits, and the kind of schedule with both of the spiritualities. Maybe this is why the Lord put it in your heart to have a strong pull to both. I love your trust in the Lord, may you always have that strong trust in Him. I will keep this in my prayers for you. :)

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[InHisLove726]

In The Arms of The Lord, on Jun 19 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

Oh WOW! What a beautiful idea! Just trying to imagine it sounds so beautiful; the habits, and the kind of schedule with both of the spiritualities. Maybe this is why the Lord put it in your heart to have a strong pull to both. I love your trust in the Lord, may you always have that strong trust in Him. I will keep this in my prayers for you. :)

I think Jesus might be giving me a glimpse of what the future holds today on the Feast of the Sacred Heart (my most precious and favored devotion). If so, I hope I can follow Him with all the faith in the world.

"Oh my God! I love You!"--St. Therese

[FiereMargriet]

Glad I could help you! It's always so lovely to dream about founding an order. I don't know if God is calling me to do that, but sometimes I still like to think about it. And if you feel called to do so...by all means, do so! As you've said before, the Franciscan and Carmelite spritualities are really so beautiful together. (The habit sounds marvelous.)

I was just looking in the Phatmass archives, and I found this community as well: the Little Sisters of St. Francis. Calling themselves "little" sounds very Theresian to me. It looks like they also give retreats. (I LOVE your idea about working with the poor. I always felt that if I were to join or found an active community, I would want to work in homeless shelters/soup kitchens.)

[InHisLove726]

FiereMargriet, on Jun 19 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Glad I could help you! It's always so lovely to dream about founding an order. I don't know if God is calling me to do that, but sometimes I still like to think about it. And if you feel called to do so...by all means, do so! As you've said before, the Franciscan and Carmelite spritualities are really so beautiful together. (The habit sounds marvelous.)

I was just looking in the Phatmass archives, and I found this community as well: the Little Sisters of St. Francis. Calling themselves "little" sounds very Theresian to me. It looks like they also give retreats. (I LOVE your idea about working with the poor. I always felt that if I were to join or found an active community, I would want to work in homeless shelters/soup kitchens.)

I was looking at the Little Sisters of St. Francis a few weeks ago. They are beautiful! Very Marian as well. ;)

I've been 'having visions' of the order (I don't really refer to them as visions but I don't know what to call them) for the past few nights, and I started jotting the ideas down this morning in a little notebook. Something COULD happen from all this, but I am frightened about the idea of starting something completely new. I'm a bit of a chicken, anyway! :P But at Mass this morning, I offered it up and promised Jesus that if He wanted a new order, He would get one (all for the glory of God!), but please give me the graces to do it, otherwise, I'd run away with my tail between my legs!

Please continue to pray for my discernment. I am still considering the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal very strongly, so I am not really sure which way to go. I've got a job interview next week, and it's a job I really want (and NEED) and I hope I get it so I can make some pilgrimages and sort all these ideas out. I'd love to go to Assisi, Lisieux, and Ireland. In fact, if I am called to make a new foundation, I'd love to have a foundation in Ireland. It's becoming so secularized over there that God needs a loving presence amongst the people in the form of servants. I'd be honored and humbled to take up the cross if He gives it to me.

[Maggie]

InHisLove726, on Jun 19 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

I was looking at the Little Sisters of St. Francis a few weeks ago. They are beautiful! Very Marian as well. ;)

I've been 'having visions' of the order (I don't really refer to them as visions but I don't know what to call them) for the past few nights, and I started jotting the ideas down this morning in a little notebook. Something COULD happen from all this, but I am frightened about the idea of starting something completely new. I'm a bit of a chicken, anyway! :P But at Mass this morning, I offered it up and promised Jesus that if He wanted a new order, He would get one (all for the glory of God!), but please give me the graces to do it, otherwise, I'd run away with my tail between my legs!

Please continue to pray for my discernment. I am still considering the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal very strongly, so I am not really sure which way to go. I've got a job interview next week, and it's a job I really want (and NEED) and I hope I get it so I can make some pilgrimages and sort all these ideas out. I'd love to go to Assisi, Lisieux, and Ireland. In fact, if I am called to make a new foundation, I'd love to have a foundation in Ireland. It's becoming so secularized over there that God needs a loving presence amongst the people in the form of servants. I'd be honored and humbled to take up the cross if He gives it to me.

Honey I hope you don't think I'm raining on your parade :) But don't worry about founding a new order right now. It's fun to daydream about it, but put the notebook with your ideas away for now, in a place where you can always come back to it. It would be great to visit the Franciscan Sisters! But just keep things informal, casual with them. At the present moment I think you should just enjoy your life and the prospect of an exciting new job! Just relax and take life slowly... the lady who runs my Bible study once told me when I was getting myself worked up, "God is never in a hurry and neither should you be." Good advice! If God is calling you to found a new order or enter religious life He will still be calling in a year or two :) Enjoy the day that He has given you!

[InHisLove726]

Maggie, on Jun 19 2009, 12:15 PM, said:

Honey I hope you don't think I'm raining on your parade :) But don't worry about founding a new order right now. It's fun to daydream about it, but put the notebook with your ideas away for now, in a place where you can always come back to it. It would be great to visit the Franciscan Sisters! But just keep things informal, casual with them. At the present moment I think you should just enjoy your life and the prospect of an exciting new job! Just relax and take life slowly... the lady who runs my Bible study once told me when I was getting myself worked up, "God is never in a hurry and neither should you be." Good advice! If God is calling you to found a new order or enter religious life He will still be calling in a year or two :) Enjoy the day that He has given you!

I don't see it happening right now, anyway. I'm still growing spiritually very much and so I am too immature to take on such a stressful project. I will just continue to write things down as they come to me and then, someday, if I feel called to it, it will help me. Just not now. It doesn't feel like the right time. I'm planning to go on a Vocation retreat with the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal as soon as I get the time and money to do so. I've always been a little too quick with these things, especially new things, and I'm trying to slow down and take one step at a time.

[Kathgirl]

InHisLove726, on Jun 18 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

I honestly believe it would be a worthwhile endeavor. I do have the entrepreneurial spark in me and I always thought it would be quite interesting to start an order that has roots in both Carmelite and Franciscan spirituality. I don't want to do it unless Jesus asks me, though. Maybe I should jot these ideas down on paper with collective ideas as they come to me.

I imagine that the order would be active/contemplative and would serve both the poor (since St. Therese wanted to be a missionary, and St. Francis loved the poor), and be contemplative. The horarium would not be too difficult, but I think I'd have trouble writing a rule and doing the other necessary things.

We'll see. I'll pray about it, but I still want to discern with the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal.

In His Love,
If you need a "slightly older" postulant to round out your start-up sisters count me in. Especially if you want a sister heavy on the contemplative and a little lighter on the actice side of things :notworthy2: I could take the Adoration hours in the middle of the night and joyfully keep Him company in the chapel all day long.

[laetitia crucis]

InHisLove726, on Jun 18 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

Does anyone know of an order that is both Carmelite and Franciscan? I'd be very interested to check it out. I know that the Sister Servants of the Eternal Word is combined Dominican and Franciscan, so I was wondering if there was anything of the sort for someone drawn to both Carmelite and Franciscan orders?

Thanks in advance! ;)

Here's an order that shares Carmelite and Franciscan spirituality:

The Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate

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We are an international Franciscan Religious Congregation of Women who follow the spirituality of St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe, OFM Conventual, in an active-contemplative life founded on his Total Consecration to the Immaculate. We are also spiritual daughters of Saint Therese of Lisieux...

:)

[angelofmary]

This is wonderful as it sounds, yet being a founder is a very hard thing, its not all easy, carries with it the FULL CROSS as you see from many old and recent founders of communities. What God wants, God will bring into being though. Just like to comment Ireland remains a very strong country of the faith and we have fairly new communities who have already made foundations here e.g. Sisters of the Incarnate Word, Community of St John and the friars of the Renewal. I know the Sisters are looking to make a Foundation here or in England now for the past few years too. So keep it in your prayers as well as all the religious men and women because an abuse report was released which is affecting us in many ways. Yet the church is young and strong with youth! (www.youth2000.ie)

God Bless!

[InHisLove726]

Kathgirl, on Jun 19 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

In His Love,
If you need a "slightly older" postulant to round out your start-up sisters count me in. Especially if you want a sister heavy on the contemplative and a little lighter on the actice side of things :notworthy2: I could take the Adoration hours in the middle of the night and joyfully keep Him company in the chapel all day long.

I'm sure that if God calls me to do this, I will let the Phatmassers know. There are several people on here that have revealed a pull to both Carmelite and Franciscan orders.