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The Little Way
I had missed this thread before! (No pun intended!) Sorry! How wonderfully exciting! This is like listening to someone talk about wedding plans, but even more exciting. Thank you for sharing with us. smile.gif

I LOVE the aprons the Brother's have. They're the same grey fabric of their habits and nice and long too! I should suggest they sell some for fundraising they're great cause they're so durable and don't show stains!
The Little Way
And a new post for another topic in this thread....

Sixtina, be open to whatever. I'm married so this may sound really odd coming from me, but....

Before I was married my husband said I should go spend time with the contemplative Sisters of St. John. After we were married and I had spent a weekend with them I chided him and said, "be glad I didn't do that before we were married or you might still be single!"

I never understood the beauty of the contemplative life, or of enclosure, until I lived a little of it. (note: that doesn't mean it's for you, just don't discount it entirely yet!)

It has taken me a long time to understand the contemplative life and even longer to understand enclosure.

I have often thought though that if (God forbid!) something were to happen and I were to loose my husband, that I would have to consider it. To me it seems a total abandonment of one's will to Christ. It may seem romantic from the outside, and I'm sure it is at times, but it is still real life. You're not as closed off as it may seem. In fact I have to think that it is an even more difficult life than being an active contemplative.

Fr. Antoine was preaching at the Carmel here in St. Louis yesterday and was reminding us that his sisters in the Carmel have great struggles. That all in religious life do. Struggles that we cannot even begin to understand.

Ok, that got really rambley and I don't even know if it makes any sense, but that's my $0.02!
HisChild
LOLOLAM Dad!! I drive a 2004 Camry. I used to drive a Bravada when I was living out in the boonies. The Camry actually was my stepmother's. My father gave it to me after she died last Easter. sad.gif He can't decide if he wants to keep it or if I should sell it.

It's not really the things that are the problem. I have people coming over all the time picking up things. There one item that we just don't know about yet, but people are pondering over if they can use it. It's a massive entertainment armoire, solid wood. Anyway. . .

Nah, the difficulties were last night, looking like a deer caught in the headlights!
HisChild
QUOTE(Birgitta Noel @ Feb 18 2006, 08:08 AM)
I had missed this thread before!  (No pun intended!)  Sorry!  How wonderfully exciting!  This is like listening to someone talk about wedding plans, but even more exciting.  Thank you for sharing with us.  smile.gif 

I LOVE the aprons the Brother's have.  They're the same grey fabric of their habits and nice and long too!  I should suggest they sell some for fundraising they're great cause they're so durable and don't show stains!
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Thank you for your well wishes, I finally went to bed last night at 2am. I just got up to the doorbell ringing. . . .of Jehovah's Witnesses maddest.gif

That's me woken out of a dead sleep! LOL I didn't get to the door in time, just saw them walking down the street. Mom was asleep too because she went to bed at the same time as me. OK, time to cut the fabric! LOL BTW the dress is looking nice! cool.gif
Sixtina87
QUOTE(Birgitta Noel @ Feb 18 2006, 10:16 AM)
And a new post for another topic in this thread....

Sixtina, be open to whatever.  I'm married so this may sound really odd coming from me, but....

Before I was married my husband said I should go spend time with the contemplative Sisters of St. John.  After we were married and I had spent a weekend with them I chided him and said, "be glad I didn't do that before we were married or you might still be single!"

I never understood the beauty of the contemplative life, or of enclosure, until I lived a little of it.  (note: that doesn't mean it's for you, just don't discount it entirely yet!)

It has taken me a long time to understand the contemplative life and even longer to understand enclosure.

I have often thought though that if (God forbid!) something were to happen and I were to loose my husband, that I would have to consider it.  To me it seems a total abandonment of one's will to Christ.  It may seem romantic from the outside, and I'm sure it is at times, but it is still real life.  You're not as closed off as it may seem.  In fact I have to think that it is an even more difficult life than being an active contemplative. 

Fr. Antoine was preaching at the Carmel here in St. Louis yesterday and was reminding us that his sisters in the Carmel have great struggles.  That all in religious life do.  Struggles that we cannot even begin to understand. 

Ok, that got really rambley and I don't even know if it makes any sense, but that's my $0.02!
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NAW...my FATHER ANTOINE!!!! I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!! weep.gif i havent seen him in months!!!! he has to become a phatmass member...you work on that one...k?? lol tell him i said hi!!!
HisChild
Well, I'm home. The nightgown is down as is the first dress. The second dress will be done in the next day or so. Then, when the sisters send the extra fabric to us, we will finish the aprons. It was HARD! It was difficult to do the buttons. as well as, every time I tried on the dress, it seemed to fit differently! Anyway, it's done. The aprons will be done the next time I can get up to my parents. I'm not feeling as panicked any more. I prayed like a fool. And He took pity. . .
The Little Way
QUOTE(Sixtina87 @ Feb 18 2006, 10:13 PM)
NAW...my FATHER ANTOINE!!!! I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!! weep.gif i havent seen him in months!!!! he has to become a phatmass member...you work on that one...k?? lol tell him i said hi!!!
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(mini-hijack) Though I'd love him to be a PM member that will never happen. He barely has time to read email. He's in Australia for the next month starting Children's Adoration programs. Pray for a fruitful mission! signofcross.gif

HisChild
So, today was an interesting day. I called my mother who said she's got the second dress almost done.

I got rid of some exercise equipment, my antique desk, and some other smaller things. It felt nice to see the emptiness.

Mass this morning was FABULOUS! I don't pray for consolations but today, it was just amazing. I was almost in tears several times today.

Tomorrow I have my one month post op eye appointment. And I start preparing for my vacation to California. I leave on Saturday, and will be gone a week. LOL But I will bring the laptop with me, MAYBE allowing me to surf in the evening, while I check my email. Who knows. I'm actually bringing it for the mapquest feature. I know most of L.A., and pretty much ALL of S.D.. But if we decided on a new restaurant, etc. We'd have decent directions.

Hope you're all doing well. BTW. . . .I have two months and 3 days before I leave!

Woohooo
HisChild
Oh my goodness, I looked off to the left and it seems I'm an alien. LOL An alien in a foreign land, on my journey Home. wink.gif

Anyway, I was wondering. . . what would you do if various family members are actually fighting (or rather, bickering) over my things that I'm giving away? "I thought you'd give that to me? I don't have (insert item here), I'd like this. . . ." My heart aches.

And on another front, my brother started crying on the phone tonight. I have given him most of my stuff because he's getting married in May and has very little. Anyway, he said (again, for about the 5th time), while crying. . .'so you won't even stay to attend my wedding?' cry.gif I KNOW I'm being called to enter in April. His wedding is in May. I WANT to see his wedding but I know that being in religious life, praying with the sisters, will be so much more beneficial for his spiritual well being and his wedding than any high fives or hugs for the (non denominational wedding because his fiancee isn't Catholic and he gave in to her demands that they not marry in a RC Church) 5 minute ceremony if I were to attend. I feel like I'm doing God's will but. . .it's just so difficult. I tried to tell him if I waited until there was nothing going on in my family's life, I'd wait years. I said that I knew that his wedding is soo important to him but I prayed that he would understand that i'd be praying for him and his bride and that's important too. It's just. . .anyway. It's hard to make someone else understand who doesn't have the same beliefs.
OLAM Dad
Denise,

You're doing the right thing. If he was getting married in a Catholic ceremony he might have a valid gripe but as it is I don't think it would even be proper for you to attend even if you weren't entering.

I'm probably being a bit harsh but he shouldn't be marrying a non-Catholic, especially if she isn't willing to marry in a Catholic Church and agree to raise their children as Catholics.
OLAM Dad
QUOTE(PCPA2Be @ Feb 19 2006, 09:44 PM)
  I know most of L.A., and pretty much ALL of S.D..  But if we decided on a new restaurant, etc.  We'd have decent directions.
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I was born in San Diego, Mercy Hospital. Don't tell anyone I'm originally from California, it's embarrassing. ninja.gif
HisChild
QUOTE(OLAM Dad @ Feb 19 2006, 09:57 PM)
Denise,

You're doing the right thing.  If he was getting married in a Catholic ceremony he might have a valid gripe but as it is I don't think it would even be proper for you to attend even if you weren't entering. 

I'm probably being a bit harsh but he shouldn't be marrying a non-Catholic, especially if she isn't willing to marry in a Catholic Church and agree to raise their children as Catholics.
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I know that, but I can't tell my brother I couldn't attend his wedding ceremony even if I wasn't entering! I mean, how hurtful is that? As it is, I seem to be the only person supporting him. While my parents aren't even practicing Catholics (and how much of an example can you be when you don't go to Mass yourself?), they don't like that she's not Catholic. Good argument in theory, but you also need to be an example to your children.

She is a nice girl. But my family seems to think they are too young. (He's going to be 24 in a few months. ) They want him to date around first, but he won't listen. So, I think in this situation, the 'right' thing to do is not to antagonize him, you know? It's not like he's going to say 'well since you don't want me to. . . ' He's an adult. so, I love him and tell him I will pray for him. I don't know. . .maybe I'm rambling.

HisChild
Hmmmm. .. .Mercy Hospital huh? Are those the ones who were accused of baby switching about 40 odd years ago?

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OLAM Dad
QUOTE(PCPA2Be @ Feb 20 2006, 12:09 AM)
Hmmmm. .. .Mercy Hospital huh?  Are those the ones who were accused of baby switching about 40 odd years ago?

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Very funny!

My wife was born in the same hospital, how weird is that?
HisChild
That's awesome! Did you share bassinets? Did you invite her over to share a bottle? Or is she younger than you?
OLAM Dad
Actually she's 13 months older than me. I like older women. smile.gif

What's weird is that we met in Houston.
HisChild
Now, that's a true Godincidence!
OLAM Dad
Stop with the made up words, you're killing me!
HisChild
I just realized. . . .is that OLAM on your avatar? Cute.

shock.gif And that is NOT a made up word. 'there is no such thing as coincidence.' LOL And a lot of the sisters I know use Godincidence instead. P.gif
OLAM Dad
Yes, that is OLAM. I like the picture because it makes me feel like I'm going to OLAM and not leaving it. Leaving OLAM in December was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.
The Little Way
QUOTE(PCPA2Be @ Feb 20 2006, 12:34 AM)
I just realized. . . .is that OLAM on your avatar?  Cute.
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Rotfl, it always looked like one of those time delay photos with traffic to me, but now I see it! DUH lol.gif
HisChild
QUOTE(Birgitta Noel @ Feb 19 2006, 10:49 PM)
Rotfl, it always looked like one of those time delay photos with traffic to me, but now I see it!  DUH  lol.gif
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THAT'S what I thought it was too! That's why I looked and thought. . .Hey, I KNOW this pic!

LOLOL lol_roll.gif lol_roll.gif lol_roll.gif
OLAM Dad
QUOTE(Birgitta Noel @ Feb 20 2006, 12:49 AM)
Rotfl, it always looked like one of those time delay photos with traffic to me, but now I see it!  DUH  lol.gif
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Huh? Time delay photo? Whats you talking bout Willis?
HisChild
QUOTE(OLAM Dad @ Feb 19 2006, 10:48 PM)
Yes, that is OLAM.  I like the picture because it makes me feel like I'm going to OLAM and not leaving it.  Leaving OLAM in December was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.
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I never even saw this post last night! I just went from the posts that followed! Je m'excuse.

That's a beautiful way of looking at it, Dad.

I am going to Ohio on my own, leaving my family at the airport. cry.gif I know I'll be a wreck.
HisChild
Anyway. . .I still would love to hear advice on what I would do/say regarding those family members who are bickering over who should get what. It's really unnerving. I feel like I'm watching my own will being executed. . . . 'she should give that to me!' It's well. . .a little bizarre.
The Little Way
QUOTE(PCPA2Be @ Feb 20 2006, 09:38 AM)
Anyway. . .I still would love to hear advice on what I would do/say regarding those family members who are bickering over who should get what.  It's really unnerving.  I feel like I'm watching my own will being executed. . . .  'she should give that to me!'  It's well. . .a little bizarre.
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Ugh, that happened when my grandmother moved out of her house. People are unbelieveable. LOL, you want to say "you should just be thankful you're getting anything!" But that wouldn't be too charitable.

Honestly though if they keep this sort of behavior up after you tell them how they are making you feel you may just have to donate it all to SVDP.

Sometimes people don't realize the effects of their words/actions ohno.gif
jgirl
People are claiming my stuff, too, although they aren't fighting. If somebody really wants something, I will probably give it to them, but I was thinking of having a swap. Like if you want my sweater, you need to give me an undershirt or a pair of brown socks.
The Little Way
QUOTE(jgirl @ Feb 20 2006, 12:07 PM)
I was thinking of having a swap. Like if you want my sweater, you need to give me an undershirt or a pair of brown socks.
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Ooooh, excellent idea! D.gif
brandelynmarie
QUOTE(PCPA2Be @ Feb 19 2006, 11:12 PM)
Oh my goodness, I looked off to the left and it seems I'm an alien.  LOL An alien in a foreign land, on my journey Home.  wink.gif

Anyway, I was wondering. . .  what would you do if various family members are actually fighting (or rather, bickering) over my things that I'm giving away?  "I thought you'd give that to me?  I don't have (insert item here), I'd like this. . . ."  My heart aches.

And on another front, my brother started crying on the phone tonight.  I have given him most of my stuff because he's getting married in May and has very little. Anyway, he said (again, for about the 5th time), while crying. . .'so you won't even stay to attend my wedding?'  cry.gif  I KNOW I'm being called to enter in April.  His wedding is in May.  I WANT to see his wedding but I know that being in religious life, praying with the sisters, will be so much more beneficial for his spiritual well being and his wedding than any high fives or hugs for the (non denominational wedding because his fiancee isn't Catholic and he gave in to her demands that they not marry in a RC Church)  5 minute ceremony if I were to attend.  I feel like I'm doing God's will but. . .it's just so difficult. I tried to tell him if I waited until there was nothing going on in my family's life, I'd wait years.  I said that I knew that his wedding is soo important to him but I prayed that he would understand that i'd be praying for him and his bride and that's important too.  It's just. . .anyway.  It's hard to make someone else understand who doesn't have the same beliefs.
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Denise, You are definitely doing the right thing...You will be giving the newlyweds a priceless gift & who knows...maybe they will return to the Church sooner because of such a gift....I kinda know how you feel since I keep hearing about possible up-coming weddings & "You will be here for that, won't you?" or "You'll be able to come out to my wedding anyway, right?" It's really hard to explain to them that I still love them & I will be with in spirit...in a much better way...plus they will have gained many other sisters to pray for them as well! Peace, Brandelyn
HisChild
QUOTE(Birgitta Noel @ Feb 20 2006, 10:06 AM)
Ugh, that happened when my grandmother moved out of her house.  People are unbelieveable.  LOL, you want to say "you should just be thankful you're getting anything!"  But that wouldn't be too charitable. 

Honestly though if they keep this sort of behavior up after you tell them how they are making you feel you may just have to donate it all to SVDP.

Sometimes people don't realize the effects of their words/actions  ohno.gif
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You cannot imagine how many car loads I've taken to SVDP! It's amazing. They are also coming next month to take a bit of furniture as well.

HisChild
QUOTE(jgirl @ Feb 20 2006, 10:07 AM)
People are claiming my stuff, too, although they aren't fighting. If somebody really wants something, I will probably give it to them, but I was thinking of having a swap. Like if you want my sweater, you need to give me an undershirt or a pair of brown socks.
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I tell you what, if I haven't already bought all my things I would do that too! At this point most of the stuff I'm giving to my family, I'm feeling like. . .esp for my brother. . that I won't be there for his wedding so I'm giving him my furniture. Makes me feel better at least, lol
HisChild
QUOTE(brandelynmarie @ Feb 20 2006, 10:27 AM)
Denise, You are definitely doing the right thing...You will be giving the newlyweds a priceless gift & who knows...maybe they will return to the Church sooner because of such a gift....I kinda know how you feel since I keep hearing about possible up-coming weddings & "You will be here for that, won't you?" or "You'll be able to come out to my wedding anyway, right?" It's really hard to explain to them that I still love them & I will be with in spirit...in a much better way...plus they will have gained many other sisters to pray for them as well! Peace, Brandelyn
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That is my most fervent hope, that they return to the Faith.

As my SD said. . my life will be a sacrifice of prayer for them, so that they will be more open to Grace in their lives.
HisChild
I leave in two months and two days! shock.gif
HisChild
OK, so I just had to spend over 500 on car things. . . .typical maintenance things, like new tires, alignment, etc. My mother wanted to know (she wants to buy my car for my uncle) how 'little' I will take for the car. I told her that first, my father is still trying to decide if he wants to take it back, and second, if he doesn't, I wouldn't take any less than the money I owe him, plus the 500 I just spent on the car to make it look better for any potential buyer. She insinuated that I should just take that money as loss, for her brother (someone that's always been disagreeable and not very nice to me, ever, even to the point of calling me and my brothers names). I've always been charitable, but I think that's asking a bit much, especially considering that I have to pay for all my medical expenses for the year I am a postulant and those resources are draining quickly.

She also thought it was a great idea that my brother and his fiance take over the lease I have on my house. It IS a great idea, but she wants me to also pay for the rent for the month (that I won't be working, before I leave) before I go, so that they won't have to. Even though I won't have a job to pay for the rent and will, again, have to pull it out of my resources, that I will be bringing with me.


~shakes head~

Does this sound unreasonable to ask this of me? I'm sorry if I sound like I'm complaining. I just would like to know what you all think. Thank you

God bless you.

Denise
magnificat
Hi Denise,

I think that you're not being unreasonable. As long as you're not doing it out of any selfish motivations, I think you're fine. After all, you do need to have enough money to clear things off before you leave and enough money to cover insurance for your 1st year. Can you send some money ahead to the nuns and have them hang on to it for you to at least cover most of your insurance? That way your family might not expect you to necessarily try to do EVERYTHING in their best interests monetarily. Just a thought...
OLAM Dad
I tell you what; if you just give the car to me like we discussed then you wouldn't have to worry your purty little head over these things. Why do you want to put yourself and your family through so much pain. I'm here to help you out.

Seriously, while I think that you're not being unreasonable I think that you need to be very careful not to do something now that you'll later regret.

Maybe a compromise is in order. One suggestion might be that your uncle takes the difference between what you want for the car (plus the $500) and what he wants to pay for the car and puts it in a bank account that somebody you all trust controls. If you need the money for medical expenses the money is yours. If you don't need it for medical purposes, on the day you're invested he get's half the money and your community gets the other half.
HisChild
QUOTE(magnificat @ Feb 21 2006, 11:00 AM)
Hi Denise,

I think that you're not being unreasonable.  As long as you're not doing it out of any selfish motivations, I think you're fine.  After all, you do need to have enough money to clear things off before you leave and enough money to cover insurance for your 1st year.  Can you send some money ahead to the nuns and have them hang on to it for you to at least cover most of your insurance?  That way your family might not expect you to necessarily try to do EVERYTHING in their best interests monetarily.  Just a thought...
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I am supposedly to hang on to my money until/unless I need to use it.

Since I'm 35, living on my own, it's not like they know how much money I have. It's just frustrating for them to assume I've got loads of money to help them out. . .for as my dad said, 'well it's not like you're going to need it where you're going.'
HisChild
QUOTE(OLAM Dad @ Feb 21 2006, 02:08 PM)
I tell you what; if you just give the car to me like we discussed then you wouldn't have to worry your purty little head over these things.  Why do you want to put yourself and your family through so much pain.  I'm here to help you out.

Seriously, while I think that you're not being unreasonable I think that you need to be very careful not to do something now that you'll later regret.

Maybe a compromise is in order.  One suggestion might be that your uncle takes the difference between what you want for the car (plus the $500) and what he wants to pay for the car and puts it in a bank account that somebody you all trust controls.  If you need the money for medical expenses the money is yours.  If you don't need it for medical purposes, on the day you're invested he get's half the money and your community gets the other half.
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See, that's not even a possibility. I bought the car from my father (not my stepfather), who has no obligation or desire to cut my uncle any slack (my uncle, my mother's brother, has always been a mean and rather rude individual). If my father decides he doesn't want the car, I am to sell it. I am to give my father the amount we agreed on, less the money I've already paid on it (and put the money I spent on it yesterday back into my account.) So, it's not a matter of what I want for it. I still owe on the car, to Bank of Father.

Today, after working 11 hours in the OR, I went to confession, sobbed to our associate pastor. I mentioned what Birgitta Noel said, about my just donating everything to SVDP. His eyes lit up and he pointed a finger into the air, like 'an idea', and said, "what a great idea!' Then you wouldn't have to worry about speaking uncharitably to anyone, or getting stressed from having to divvy everything up!

I then went to Holy Mass after confession, and of course, I cried.

God is so good and gentle. I felt back on track, (even though I felt like I didn't want to answer the phone any more! LOL)

I went and picked up my nightgown and postulant dresses. I'll be trying those on in a minute! Woohooo

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and in case anyone is wondering, in 4 days I'm off to CA for my vacation . . . .

and in 2 months and one day I'm leaving on a jet plane. I won't be coming back again! Oh babe, I can't wait to gooooo guitar.gif Leaving on a jet plane!
brendan1104
Did you answer my question on switching to Franciscan spirituality and becoming a Poor Clare, Denise? I've lost the link.
HisChild
Yes, I did. It's on this link:

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...pic=46291&st=25

I hope that shows it.
brandelynmarie
Denise, Isn't it crazily ironic that we have to amass some sort of $$$$ in order to follow the Vow of Poverty? covereyes.gif How much do you need (ball park estimate) in the postulancy? Is there a dowry? I've figured out my car & student loans to be about $25,000...Oh, boy! Thanks much, Brandelyn
HisChild
Well I suppose each monastery is different. I won't have insurance because the center I work for is small. It doesn't have to offer COBRA. There's less than32 full time employees. So I am told to bring money for any medical eventuality. There is a dowry but I'm not sure if it is the same for each woman so I hesitate to name an amount. I'm sorry I wasn't more help but feel free to PM me. God bless you.
HisChild
QUOTE(brandelynmarie @ Feb 22 2006, 10:36 AM)
Denise, Isn't it crazily ironic that we have to amass some sort of $$$$ in order to follow the Vow of Poverty?  covereyes.gif How much do you need (ball park estimate) in the postulancy? Is there a dowry? I've figured out my car & student loans to be about $25,000...Oh, boy! Thanks much, Brandelyn
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I don't find it ironic. While in the postulancy, many communities do not take care of the woman's medical insurance. That's always an issue. Some communities also ask for a dowry, so that that can help alleviate the expenses of the first year the postulant is there. It's not to make the community wealthy or anything like that.

God bless you.

brandelynmarie
Actually, my previous comment was misleading...what is ironic to me is the fact that I have amassed debts & I need to obtain $$$$ in order to be "poor"... P.gif If this had been 100 or 1000 years this wouldn't be an issue...but then again there would have been others I am sure! Thanks for explaining the money needed for postulancy...Pace e bene, Brandelyn
HisChild
Yea. .. I'm not sure. . .did they have Mastercard back then? LOL

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brandelynmarie
juggle.gif <-------Me & my bills! lol_roll.gif G'nite & God bless! Brandelyn
HisChild
Awwwww. HUGS and prayers to you!
HisChild
Well, I'm off for the evening. I have worked some seriously long hours in the last two days. I feel like I won't have the time I need to get ready for the vacation! I hope everyone has a restful night! God bless you!

Oh and another reason for this post? bump.gif LOL wink.gif
HisChild
OH !!!! I also forgot to say that I will be on a plane in 2 months, headed for Ohio!

Totus Tuus, Yeshua, Totus Tuus. love.gif
The Little Way
QUOTE(OLAM Dad @ Feb 20 2006, 01:02 AM)
Huh?  Time delay photo?  Whats you talking bout Willis?
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LOL, you know, in the dark with the car lights all looking streaky (sorta like the fence does there) cause the exposure was left open a long time....

Does that make sense?
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