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Emile James
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This is a photo from the Sisters of Bethlehem.... at the former Cistercian Abbey in Boquen, NW France.
A Little Sister is at adoration, they only use this Church for HolyMass, public adoration. and Vespers..

When i lived in Iffendic, i retreated there at Boquen but got reallllly sick on bad clams the second day!..had to go home.
they also have an amazing, yet typical to there style, winter Chapel
within the cloister that you can go to for matins-Lauds
amazing, they are great with lighting, and setting a mood for sure..
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In His unending mercy, Emile-James
Emile James
Little Sisters(Moniales) of Bethlehem in the Voiron
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aaah a Sunday photographer, run away run away!!:)
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Margaret Clare
Thanks, Emile James! This are great pictures!

This reminds me. Last time I was in Livingston Manor I was asking the sister about how often it is that sisters are moved to different monasteries. She said not very often, it depends on each case - maybe once or twice a sister may move, but many more remain in the same monastery their whole lives. They take the vow of stability like the Carthusians, which is stability to the monastery in which they take their vows, but the Prioress can move a sister for good reason.

I asked about some reasons why sisters may be moved and she said first, if there's a new foundation .. but another reason she gave that really made me think, was that recently they had to send a girl from southern France back there because it was too cold for her up in LM - she was shivering all the time.

The sister I was speaking with was from Canada. Well I'm from Chicago, and we do have pretty cold Winters, but I still have a hard time myself with the cold, much more so than others around here and my own family. I always have to wear an extremely warm big down coat during our Winter's here, and I'm still shivering. cold.gif

But in LM is gets even colder and the way they warm their hermitages is the old-fashioned way, with little stove ovens. camp.gif

I would be willing to bear the cold, but I'm afraid I would probably be shivering all the time and be sent to another monastery .. So I almost feel I might as well start out over there, somewhere in southern Europe, if I were going to join this order, or the Carthusians ... But whatever's God's will in the end!
HisChild
LOL It'll be ALL good if that's where you are called, Margaret! But I have to tell you secret.gif I felt the same way when I was in Carmel, CA, as their chapel was SOOO cold ! cold.gif <~~ me, in chapel lol.gif
Emile James
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I would be willing to bear the cold, but I'm afraid I would probably be shivering all the time and be sent to another monastery .
. So I almost feel I might as well start out over there, somewhere in southern Europe, if I were going to join this order,
or the Carthusians .
.. But whatever's God's will in the end!
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
actually you can get smokin HOT with a wood stove if doing right..i used to dwell in a hermitage in North Ontario, and in January's minus 20 Celsius . i would need to sleep with windows open!
i understand! i cant stand the cold,,i suffered from it greatly in poorly heated Churches and Abbeys in France especially,
Italy wasn't too bad, Ukraine was impossible
But i noticed that the Sisters (Bethlehem) in Europe try to put in heating as much as possible,
on of the few communities i noticed who actually thought you should be reasonably warm
IF physically possible, especially in Church..and Cell a unheard of idea everywhere else id been. Central heating wasnt a reality in 14 century Monasteries!
when they built. re- built there Chapel in Marche-les dames, Belgium .EG.,,
old wonderful stones..they had piped INFLOOR heating,toasty for the tootsies!. at the Bros in Mt Corona italy, my Cell was actually too warm.. but yes,
whatever God wills, hard for me to believe he wills my freezing..but hey!.
i guess a place need be REALLLY cold, in order too heat it up..in a mildly cold November , and stone walls stay cold to save money..so the Alps ok great..then again so does Corsica,,if your a Sister!
The Brothers 'official Novitiate' if you will, is in Israel, but one may not necessarily go to it..as its personal.Did you know Fr. Agapito, Formation Master/teacher is one of the original founders and an American..
we were i the Same Philosophy class at St Jodard.

silly story, i remember helping prepare foundation at a new Catholic Community in Quebec City, one year after there arrival, an international Community based in France, and the Superior (from France) said, during this extremely cold winter, "why dont we use less heat, in a spirit of poverty, and so that we may be in suffering Communion with our Brothers and Sisters back in North France.." and i said, "umm why cant we be in suffering Communion with our Brothers and sisters in Africa?" :)java script:emoticon(':lol_roll:', 'smid_17')
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ps did you get to the sisters 'econom'/store- Monastery in Paris? wonderful Chapel,i love how they have it set up..
Margaret Clare
Thanks, Emile James, for all the info. !! Ah, so this is one of the communities in Europe you actually noticed did give some importance to heating .. okay. And you can stay pretty warm with the stove oven .. thanks! hmm...

Well of course it is important that we give up comforts, like staying warm in the Winter, for Christ. I heard St. Therese's Carmel in North France and was freeeeezing. It's so hard to try to pray though, when you can't stop shivering .. I'm not that strong ...

That's funny, why can't we offer our sufferings in union with our Brs and Srs in Africa .. hehe.gif

No I didn't see the sister's chapel in Paris .. only Les Montsvoirons .. maybe this year I will go again ..

But Italy wasn't that cold you say? What about Northern Italy? I am somewhat considering writing to the Charterhouse della Trinita there. I wrote to the Prior at Parkminster, and he suggested I write there since I know a little Italian .. hmmm, but Spain would be warmer <-- okay, MC you don't join a monastery bc it's comfortable ... happy.gif



Margaret Clare
I think I mentioned it before, but the Sisters of Bethlehem are starting a new foundation in Galilee, where English is going to be the main language of the liturgy, as in Livingston Manor, NY. Otherwise, most of their liturgies are in French, as most of their monasteries are in France, or another European country. Though all of their liturgies have some Latin, Greek, and Hebrew.

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Galilee :j
HisChild
Oh MC, LET'S GO! It's so beautiful! ! !
Cathoholic Anonymous
I came back from Galilee just last week. smile.gif I may make a new thread for my photos in Open Mic.
Margaret Clare
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I came back from Galilee just last week. smile.gif I may make a new thread for my photos in Open Mic.
Oh wow. Is is safe there in Galilee? I'm pretty sure the Srs of Bethlehem don't have anything built yet, just plans. The best way to find out more about this foundation is to contact the Mother Prioress of the order at Bet Gemal, Israel.

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Sr. Isabelle
Prioress of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem

She's very nice and speaks English very well. She took the time to speak to each retreatant at the Evangelical Month at Les Montsvoirons.
Cathoholic Anonymous
Everywhere seemed perfectly safe, and we travelled all over the Holy Land. The most tedious and dangerous places for me were checkpoints, as the Israeli soldiers insisted on putting me through an inquisition because of the Saudi visas in my passport. They asked such racist questions as well. annoyed.gif Apart from that, it was fine.
Emile James
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Oh wow. Is is safe there in Galilee? I'm pretty sure the Srs of Bethlehem don't have anything built yet, just plans. The best way to find out more about this foundation is to contact the Mother Prioress of the order at Bet Gemal, Israel.

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Sr. Isabelle
Prioress of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem

She's very nice and speaks English very well. She took the time to speak to each retreatant at the Evangelical Month at Les Montsvoirons.

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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk
a meditation with sound...
HisChild
Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences?
Emile James
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Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Thank-you, it as a challenge doing on this borrowed computer.learning as i go..not being around computers the last 4 years!!

If you want to see the USA Community, unfortunately the person who had pictures on line has been taken off. It is possible the Community does not like media promtions.mine may not stay on long either.
yOu can always write the Sisters in the USA, and ask for a booklet about them, it has good detail and pictures...smile.gif

They are a Roman Catholic Community , Pontifical Right..
The Holy mass is Roman , but a variation of the Carthusian Rite.(Monastic, simple silent, though in the vernacular)
St. Brunos model being the Egyptian Desert Fathers and palestinian Lauras, as understood at the time..
as far as Eastern, there Divine Office is a truncated version of the Byzantine Church Office..while in the past much more of the Slav Tradition, i notice it has become more of the direct Greek Byzantine Tradition of The Holy Hours and style. since they are more involved now in the Holy Land and Egypt.

....use and veneration of Icons and the 'Jesus Prayer or 'Prayer of the Heart' with a chotki, while not at all exclusive to the East..is a large part of the Communities Spiritual life.

peace and goodness...........E-J
Margaret Clare
Thanks Cathoholic Anonymous, for the info. on safety in Galilee!

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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk
a meditation with sound...
Hey, thanks for this great little presentation of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem! Did you make this yourself? It's beautiful, and with the sisters and then the monks singing .. Yeah, they always sing that particular verion of Salve Regina after Vespers. Thanks! smile.gif We have a pretty good thread here of info on this order. I don't think you can go anywhere else online and find more than we've got here. D.gif
Margaret Clare
I'm copying and pasting a few things from a post of Emile James on the Carthusian nuns thread here.

I was asking about whether the Carthusians have Papal Enclosure or not ..
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
. well, as i understand it ,Papal Enclosure, is only for womens Communities.
Trying to translate the fantastic Italian site on the Nuns, it doesn't seem they are officially Papal Enclosure, yet being a Papal order(as opposed to diocesan),they have strict enclosure due to the constitutions.
This is how Bethlehem is - not Papal Enclosure, but a strict enclosure according to the Constitutions. When I was asking the sister at LM last time I was there about this, she was saying how they are a Papal Order, and I didn't really understand how this effected enclosure - but I see Emile James commenting here on on what a Papal Order is, as opposed to diocesan - so it seems this makes Constitutional Enclosure even stricter.

So the Srs of Bethlehem really have the same type of enclosure as the Carthusian Nuns. Only I think the individual monasteris of the Carthusian Nuns are more autonomous. I read that somewhere, that that was one of the changes the order experienced after VII.
Margaret Clare
Then I was asking about coffee .. coffee.gif
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coffee...i would be very surprised if the Carthusians did not allow coffee etc, . esp. in Italy.
again its not so much allowance per rules..as a desire to have a well balanced healthy /pure /body, mind, spirit

While knowing the Bethlehem Community is more flexible in each persons personal spiritual growth, i know that while in Italy, the brothers kept me supplied with Italian coffee, without me ever asking, i mean, hey, its italy, and men...no coffee? unthinkable
The French arent so into coffee, and the Community of Bethlehem in General (in fact most every French Monstic community i know) is really into homeopathy and naturapathy, which i do find odd since, because this is in most French culture, we dont have this as normal. all the pharmacies in France have a homeopathy/naturapathy section, and normal MD s prescribe those litte bits of arsenic wrapped up in a sugar ball..smile.gif
The French Community does see caffiene and alcohol as excitents and not helpful to a balanced mind/body/spirit for contemplation...i, with my one morning cup..tend to agree.

At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course.

That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you.

Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. yawn.gif

I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! saint.gif
Emile James
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Then I was asking about coffee .. coffee.gif

At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course.

That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you.

Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. yawn.gif

I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! saint.gif

wow a Monastic-coffee thread! :P
from much personal experience -the brothers of St John definetly drink coffee, they need it more than the Sisters!!!..except of course at a HUGE place like St Jodard..again, depends on what country youre in..one will find some communities worldwide who still keep allot of little ideas and cultural traditions form there founding place, like Bethlehem Communities , and the French, tend to do....others take on more of a surrounding culture within the local community..
yet, begging, calling down the Holy Spirit in the morning on your face...gotta be better than coffee?? :P
and when i worked with the Benedictines in Italy, it was coffee/wine/coffee/wine...
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Margaret Clare
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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk
a meditation with sound...


I see they have the Hermits of Bethlehem of the Heart of Jesus ( in Chester, NJ) EWTN program on youtube also, in 3 parts. Search "Hermits of Bethlehem" I haven't seen it yet, but will. :j

HisChild
I've seen all 3 of the youtube videos and have just ordered the book that the founding father, Fr Romano, wrote about the desert spirituality. I'll let you know what the book's like! wink.gif
Emile James
a relevant link(s)

http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_...er_of_the_Heart
EJames
ADDRESS OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE COMMUNITIES OF BETHLEHEM,
THE ASSUMPTION AND ST BRUNO

Saturday, 14 March 1998

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http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_pau...ethleem_en.html
EJames
this video is switched over now to google.wink.gif
Monastic Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem Video
SisterAli
Incredible, that's about all I can say. Wow...the video was amazing. Do you know where in the USA they are located????
EJames
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Incredible, that's about all I can say. Wow...the video was amazing. Do you know where in the USA they are located????

actually yes, if you scroll down at this link, youll see adress
http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/...-bethlehem.html
EJames
newly found photos of the Moanstery of Monastic Sisters of Bethlehem and the Assumption...
at the old Chartreuse in La Verne( west of st Tropez,France)..allot!! of tourists come by there to take pictures, but there are few public spaces so.....it has a little museum, and The Sisters take up 70% of the property,for cloister.
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EJames


Margaret Clare
Wow, thank EJames, for the great photos!

Okay, I just wanted to post something I put in another thread about the Srs of Bethlehem here too (particularly as I was writing about the annual Evangelical Month retreat in August, which I don't think I wrote much on in this thread yet):

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Guten tag, Desire! Willkommen! (I took German in HS and am German/Irish/Croatian American happy.gif ) I highly recommend the Sisters of Bethlehem who have a monastery in Germany. We have a pretty long thread about them about here - http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=56995

They are different than many communities, in that they have both a Western and Eastern spirituality, with the icons and everything, (though the Carthusians, which they are very similar to with St. Bruno, also have the icons, but are more Western, with a Latin Office) Their Office and Mass are primarily in the vernacular, with some Latin and sometimes a little Herbrew & Greek, and is the Byzantine Office (though I believe it's their own particular Office, approved by Rome, as the Carthusians have their own office also) Then their Mass is the regular Mass of Pope Paul VI, but with more silence and a few different elements.

They do receive Holy Communion on the tongue, though I didn't see them kneeling, but that may be an option.

I would highly recommend visiting their monastery, and you could ask them about other good orthodox communities in Germany too - which I'm sure they could help you with.

They are truly a wonderful monastic community. And they have this discernment retreat every year at the monastery in Les Montsvoirons, near Geneva, in France, called the Evangelical Month (sounds slightly protestant, but it's not at all, totally solid Catholic).

I went in 2003, and I believe it was the best month I have ever had in my life! It's is such a beautiful retreat! I can't recommend it enough! The conferences were given in French, but all the retreatants from different nationalities had a translator for everything, and it was so incredibly organized. Each retreatant has their own cell, and lots of time in solitude. The conferences are given by the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle, and a few by the Father Prior, through a speaker that each retreatant has in their cell. Then there are times when everyone is together for the Liturgy and Mass in the Church, and other times for adoration, and gatherings for talks, and a couple slideshows - I remember one was of the different places in the Holy Land, where different important events of our Faith took place, like Mount Tabor and the room where the Annunciation was supposed to have happened. And then there was a slideshow about the history of their order, the Monastic Family of Bethlehem of the Assumption of the Virgin and of St. Bruno.

The Sisters in Livingston Manor, NY invited me after my first visit to their monastery in 2003. I wasn't really sure if this was the order God was calling me to, but the Superior, Sr. Amena said this retreat is for everyone discerning their vocation, not only specifically to the Monastic Family of Bethlehem. It is such a beautiful retreat, I can hardly find the words ... I am thinking of going again this year, unless Our Lord has other plans.

There were definitely some sisters from Germany there, I remember & one discerner I remember was from Austria. I was the only American, though there were a few Canadians - but actually I felt really at home with all the people there. The sisters are incredibly friendly. And each retreatant gets what they call an "angel" whom you can talk with personally to ask questions and everything. I got Sr. Marie d'Aire, who was French but spoke English very well, and she was awesome to talk with! Then my translator was a sister from England, from one of the French monasteries.

Even if you are pretty sure you're not called to this community, I still highly recommend this retreat. It gives a whole overview of salvation history, and is great formation for the contemplative life. I remember so many things to this day, that I didn't know before the retreat. Each day covers a different part of salvation history, Sacred Scripture, and other topics relating to monastic life. It's starts with the existence of the Trinity before time & the world, the angels & their Fall, Creation of man, & our Fall, and everything that led up to God's plan of salvation in Christ, though not in every detail, just an overview - like the prophets, Abrahman .. Moses (and relates them to the contemplative life of faith & prayer) And within the month, they celebrate one day as Christmas, and then even have a Holy Week. Their celebration, if celebration is the right word .., of Good Friday in the middle of August, was really my most prayerful "Good Friday" ever. And yes, it's always in the month of August, with the feast of the Assumption right in the middle - the main patronage of their order. And they do not ask for any payment for this retreat. It is just that you have to pay for your plane ticket, but maybe it would not require a plane ticket for you, or least would be much less traveling to get to. I flew to NY and then to Gevena, and they picked me up right at the airport, with a big sign with my name on it. :j ...


Also, I wanted to add, that there is no cost or donation requested for this retreat, only we did give them one, which was accepted with much gratitude. But it seriously is not expected. It's just that you have to pay for your plane ticket.
Margaret Clare
Also for this retreat at Les Montsvoirons, it doesn't matter if you can't understand French (not sure if I put this on here before) as they have many sister translators there, that can translate all the conferences for you, and you hear the version in your own language in the speaker in your cell, though you can still hear the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle giving the talks in French in the background, which is really neat. I realy felt on this retreat a great unity in this Monastic Family, from the French sisters, to the Spanish, Italiain, German, Polish, Lituanian .. etc. Most people there could speak at least some English, and the Prioress speaks English very well. They really didn't make me feel like a foreigner at all, or a spoiled American or anything like that. Everyone was so welcoming. I'll always remember this one French novice that welcomed me, saying a few times, "It's a joy to have you here, a joy!" happy.gif
EJames
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Also for this retreat at Les Montsvoirons, it doesn't matter if you can't understand French (not sure if I put this on here before) as they have many sister translators there, that can translate all the conferences for you, and you hear the version in your own language in the speaker in your cell, though you can still hear the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle giving the talks in French in the background, which is really neat. I realy felt on this retreat a great unity in this Monastic Family, from the French sisters, to the Spanish, Italiain, German, Polish, Lituanian .. etc. Most people there could speak at least some English, and the Prioress speaks English very well. They really didn't make me feel like a foreigner at all, or a spoiled American or anything like that. Everyone was so welcoming. I'll always remember this one French novice that welcomed me, saying a few times, "It's a joy to have you here, a joy!" happy.gif

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Monastère Notre-Dame de la Gloire-Dieu
Les Montsvoirons
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EJames
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newly found photos of the Moanstery of Monastic Sisters of Bethlehem and the Assumption...
at the old Chartreuse in La Verne( west of st Tropez,France)..allot!! of tourists come by there to take pictures, but there are few public spaces so.....it has a little museum, and The Sisters take up 70% of the property,for cloister.






thse dont come up as picst on here for me??
http://k43.pbase.com/u30/omayok/upload/18340412.verne122.jpg
http://i5.pbase.com/u30/omayok/upload/18340397.verne104.jpg
Margaret Clare
Wow, this photographer posted here many great pictures of the Sisters of Bethlehem at Bet Gemal, Israel! http://www.photoshelter.com/package-show/P0000_Q5bGDyrCKY

I recognize some sisters here from the retreat!
Margaret Clare
A couple pages from an old pamphlet of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem



Margaret Clare
They profess the 5 vows that Carthusians profess of Poverty, Chastity, Obedience, Stability, and Conversion of Life, as well as some promises unique to their Monastic Family.

I was reading a little more on them in their newer pamphlet, and discovered that they are a Religious Institute of Pontifical Right, as of 1998. :j

Margaret Clare
The above pages I got from the old pamphlet from Livingston Manor posted on file at the Internat'l Fellowship of St. Bruno site - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IFSB/
Margaret Clare
Just posting this site again, Memories of a Catholic Wife and Mother: The Sisters of Bethlehem

Pictures of Sr. Marider at the Monastère de Notre Dame de la Gloire-Dieu at Les Montsvoirons, Diocese of Annecy, France




philosobrat
Who is the person in black?
http://www.photoshelter.com/img-show/I0000KdKL9EtYGCQ

These photos are awesome... makes me long to go back to Livingston Manor for a visit.
Sr. Mary Catharine
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Who is the person in black?
http://www.photoshelter.com/img-show/I0000KdKL9EtYGCQ

These photos are awesome... makes me long to go back to Livingston Manor for a visit.


She's what is called a "School of Life" ie postulant/novice. They actually wear dark blue although this one may be wearing black.

EJames
Christ is Risen!
at the NewLturgicalMovement linked below, there is a little discussion about the Sisters/Brothers of Bethlehem, and the Pictures form Israel..

http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.c...-holy-land.html

comments here on there Church structure and Liturgy
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/stribe/4809995444072634287/

pax
http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/...-bethlehem.html
and Sisters in Quebec,near Montreal.. when Church was still being built



EJames
Chertsey, Quebec, Canada


Margaret Clare
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Who is the person in black?
http://www.photoshelter.com/img-show/I0000KdKL9EtYGCQ

These photos are awesome... makes me long to go back to Livingston Manor for a visit.


Yep, those in the first stage of formation are in what they call the "School of Life" The Community of St. John also has this - here is one in Princeville, IL - http://pjstar.mycapture.com/mycapture/enla...&thispage=1

Yes, they are like a dark navy blue. Probably this one just appears black. Then the next stage of formation is after one year when they take the habit as a novice (those they may first call it postulant, I'm not sure). Here are some novices. They have a simple blue veil, without the wimple.

And usually when the Sisters of Bethlehem are not in choir, they have their cowls (hoods) down. I noticed someone commented in the New Liturgical Mov't site on how it's strange they wear the habit/scapular of the Carthusian Monks, instead of dressing more like the nuns. Emile James made a good comment though on how the early desert women also wore cowls like monks, and the Sisters of Bethlehem are quite distinct from the Carthusian Nuns.

I really feel with the Sisters of Bethlehem, at first glance they seem like quite a strange order, so different from what we're used to like the Carmelites. But after I went on that retreat at Les Voirons in France, I got a whole different view of them, and realized how incredibly awesome their spirit is. They truly worship the Father in spirit and in truth! Those are the first words that come to mind.

One of their sort of "mottos" which they sing often at the Office is the words from the letter of St. Paul to the Ephesians, which JPII said in his encyclical Redemptoris Mater, "refers to Mary in a special and exceptional degree...[and] is meant for all people" which is the spirit of their order, to live a life in constant reference to what the Virgin Mary lives now in Heaven in the Presence of the Three Divine Persons ..

"Blessed be the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places. He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and immaculate in His Presence in Love ..." (Eph. 1:3-4)
Margaret Clare
Quote from EJames here: http://cantate-domino.blogspot.com/2007/04...-bethlehem.html

QUOTE
Pope John-Paul II, when he attended their General Chapter..which is quite interesting in and of itself,.. said he expects and hopes that the Communities of Bethlehem be one of the main Bridges and living prayerful dialogues, between Orthodox and Catholic, especially in the Near East

Yes, that's what one of the sisters was telling me at the retreat at Les Voirons, regarding how they have both Western and Eastern spirituality and traditions. It's incredible!! And now they're founding a monastery for the sisters in Egypt and have plans for Galilee, also Mexico.
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(Margaret Clare)
They profess the 5 vows that Carthusians profess of Poverty, Chastity, Obedience, Stability, and Conversion of Life, as well as some promises unique to their Monastic Family ...


Actually, I believe it's 3 vows of Obedience, Stability, and Conversion of Life (poverty and chastity included in those).
Margaret Clare
From the Nuns Picture thread,
Mother Superior in Quebec :j


Margaret Clare
Statue of St. Bruno thread happy.gif
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(EJames @ Feb 16 2007, 12:00 AM) *
newly found photos of the Moanstery of Monastic Sisters of Bethlehem and the Assumption...
at the old Chartreuse in La Verne( west of st Tropez,France)..allot!! of tourists come by there to take pictures, but there are few public spaces so.....it has a little museum, and The Sisters take up 70% of the property,for cloister.


A few more pictures here and here of the old Chartreuse de la Verne,
now a monastery of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem



It seems that at all Carthusian monasteries, there is always a beautiful statue of Our Lady like this, in a little niche. The entrance to the grounds of the Sisters of Bethlehem in Livingston Manor has one like this also.




The distinctive altar arrangement and Trinity icon in the church of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(Emile James @ Jan 13 2007, 10:43 AM) *
Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk
a meditation with sound...

The video EJames made is now on Godtube pray.gif

Also his collection here: http://ejvideoplace-catholic.blogspot.com/

Monastic Family of Bethlehem links thread

Le Desert de la Madone
Margaret Clare
Wow, this site is very resourceful!

http://www.religiousministries.com

They even have the Monastic Family of Bethlehem listed! Says there's 15 sisters currently in the US.

Michele Claire
Hello Everyone,

Great to read your messages filled with links and thoughts! I enjoyed reading them all.

I am new on this forum. My name is Michele Claire and like many of you I have been at the Monastery of Bethlehem.

I know the Monastery of N.D. de la Gloire-Dieu in Les Montsvoirons, France. I stayed there for a solitary retreat a long time ago. How some of you have mentioned this monastery was the first one to be founded and that was in 1967. The CharterHouse though is in Curriere-en-Chartreuse which is near Grenoble in Savoie. The former monastery is a place I absolutely love located in such a beautiful area overlooking the Alps on one side and the lake of Geneva on the other. In the forest near by there is the chapel where Francois de Sales used to go and he lived there as a hermit before being called to Annecy.

I have also been to the Monastery of Bethlehem in Livingston Manor, NY many, many times. The sisters are very nice and I always feel very welcome. The area, it goes without saying, is gorgeous and is located in the Catskill mountains in NY. Maybe I have met or seen some of you, retreating there... Who knows, it's a small world!

Hope you continue to write on this thread.



Margaret Clare
Hi, Michele Claire! Welcome to phatmass! smile.gif

Thanks for sharing your experience!! That's so great how you made a retreat at Les Montsvoirons! Yeah, isn't it the old chapel far up the mountain with the black Madonna statue where St. Francis de Sales used to pray? I went up their by myself one day at the suggestion of a sister, and it was beautiful and so peaceful there!

Ah, here it is!! http://lleclezio.blogspot.com/2007/01/fte-...s-de-sales.html

Yes, and then their Motherhouse is at Curriere-en-Chartreuse, a former Carthusian monastery - one of them at least, either of the Brothers or the Sisters - which are a distance apart. That's so neat how you went there! I just went to Les Montsvoirons myself.

Yeah, Livingston Manor is beautiful! Thanks again for sharing your experience! God bless you!
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