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HeavenlyCalling
God has led me many places in this crazy thing called discernment, and now I feel he is calling me to the cloister. Being me, I want to make sure I visit a well-rounded selection of communities. I know of quiet a few cloistered Dominicans and Poor Claires I hope to visit soon ( i.e. when I get a job and thus the money to fly all over the US P.gif D.gif ) but I have very little information about Carmalite orders in the US. If anone knows some, I would very much like to know so I can check them out ninja.gif detective.gif . Mostly, I would like very traditional orders, with the grill and full habit,and if at all possible, a website or e-mail adress I could work with. Thanks very much
-HeavelyCalling saint.gif
daveybe
We have a Carmel in Buffalo, NY, that is quite traditional, including full habits and the grill. Recently, it is doing very well in vocations. It doesn't have a website, but our diocesan site has contact info:
http://www.buffalodiocese.org/relcomwomen.htm


This next site has links to a huge assortment of Carmel locations. I've never been to any except the one in Buffalo, so i can't evaluate their traditional level, but here they are:
http://www.ocd.pcn.net/ocd/n2_usa.htm

May Christ be your light,
D.Be
HeavenlyCalling
Thank you very much, Daveybe, does anyone know anything about the other Orders (or have more to suggest)?
Margaret Clare
Hey, HeavenlyCalling! Check out the thread I started earlier this week - "The Discalced Carmelite Nuns - 1990 & 1991 Constitutions" That should give you some good information on solid communities. I was for a very very short time in the Buffalo Carmel. Now I believe God is calling me specifically to another community. But the Buffalo Carmelites are GREAT !!! Also the other 1990 communities I visited, in particularly Iron Mountain, MI. I wish you the best in your discernment!!
Gemma
Check my website, dear: http://cloisters.tripod.com/

Blessings,
Gemma
In His Light
If your thinking about going a bit further afield...... P.gif

http://www.carmelite.com/

Shameless plug of Australian Carmelites drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

JMMB,
Belinda

Mary-Kathryn
I googled and came across these Carmelite nuns in Maryland.

http://users.erols.com/carmel-of-port-tobacco/

I have also heard the Buffalo Carmel is absolutely living the life.

prayers for you!
Mary-Kathryn
HeavenlyCalling
Could someone perhaps PM me with more information about the Buffalo Carmilites? In the mean time, if anyone else out there knows any more Carmel, please post! D.gif
onlygrace08
QUOTE(Mary-Kathryn @ Oct 12 2006, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1090176[/snapback]

I googled and came across these Carmelite nuns in Maryland.

http://users.erols.com/carmel-of-port-tobacco/

I have also heard the Buffalo Carmel is absolutely living the life.

prayers for you!
Mary-Kathryn


Wow! I can't believe that I never came across this website while doing many google searches of my own. What a beautiful monastery! smile.gif
Margaret Clare
Something else I was thinking of posting about the Discalced Carmelite Nuns in the US is about the different customs each of the houses have. (this spans across all the Carmels in the US - 1990 & 1991's)

Though each house is very unique in its customs and the community in general, I noticed two general categories of customs - one, the hispanic customs from Mexico (from Spain), and the other, more plain customs (which generally come from foundations from France - as one OCD told me - or other European countries).

I have never read any article or book on the history of the OCDs nuns in America. All I know, is from visiting some of the Carmels and talking with the nuns (and the beautiful little history booklet at Buffalo Carmel - if you call there, I'm sure they'd sent you one).

The hispanic customs are generally - more decorative chapels with colorful statues, (but not too excessive of course), hmmm ... , well I know in Buffalo they have specific Latin phrases you must greet the Mother Superior and Novice Mistress with ... and particular times to kneel down and kiss the floor - though these customs may not be specific to the hispanic traditions - I'm not sure, they wear the long veil over the veil which is under the scapular when visiting guests in the parlor and at other times, (the plain customs Carmels do not) besides in the choir or other solemn times, in Buffalo they have the dramatic Spanish crucifixes - very large ones, and some smaller (they also make these)

(that's about all I can think of now - if brendan comes on this thread, he may be able to think of some more things)

From my limited knowledge, the first foundation from Mexico was the Grand Rapids Carmel of OL of Guadalupe (now Ada Parnell, MI). From there came many Carmels - Buffalo is one of them that has kept all the customs.

The Carmels with the more plain customs generally have simpler chapels and not as many particular customs. But they in no way are less orthodox. The Carmel near me, Des Plaines, is one of these. So is Lake Elmo, MN. I spoke with the Mother there on this, when I was discerning the Buffalo Carmel. She asked if I liked the particular monastic feel of Buffalo, and I did, because the Lake Elmo Carmel is very plain - and doesn't have any feel of an old monastery (wood chapel - old stone building). Their chapel is very simple with cement walls. Their Carmel is, Carmel of Our Lady of Divine Providence. Actually, this is something particularly great about the Lake Elmo Carmel - their spirit of poverty and simplicity. St. Teresa did say, this life is nothing but a night in a bad inn. But the Lake Elmo Mother said when you're called to Carmel, it's often to a specific house. And this house, to many, could become rather depressing with the cement walls. And of course the other Carmels, (without doubt - the 1990's), have unswerving fidelity to the vow of poverty - definitely so in Buffalo.

Here's a site I found while searching for any information online about the Lake Elmo Carmel - of historical importance On the daughter Carmels link, you'll find the Mother foundress of Lake Elmo. They say that each Carmel has a unique spirit according to the spirit of the Mother foundress.

You'll see a good example in these pictures of the way these Carmels wear the veil - slightly out and under the scapulars. The hispanic Carmels have the veil under the scapulars, but more often also wear the long veil over this one (that falls on the back - like you'd see in pictures of Poor Clares) - not a great difference - just something I'm noting here. :j

I like both traditions really. The hispanic tradition is very beautiful and inspiring to me. But so is the starkness of the French/Euro - US Carmels.
Margaret Clare
Also, for the Carmelite Order, there are 2 official Orders - the original order of Carmel - Carmelites of the Ancient Observance, that sign after their names, O.Carm. And then the reform of this order of St. Teresa of Avila - The Discalced Carmelites, O.C.D.

If you search on the IRL site, under Carmel for women's communities - you'll find a couple Carmels of the Ancient Observance. All communities associated with the IRL are good communities.

Then there are the many other communities of Carmelites, mostly active, that may be connected in some way with the O.Carm.s or OCDs (I do not know) but they are their own communities/congregations.
HeavenlyCalling
Well, I am deffinatly going to have to write to the Carmilites in Buffalo, since they come so highly reccommeded.! D.gif If you are one of the posters who gave them such glowing reports, can you awnser a few quick questions?
1. Who would I adress a letter to?
2. Do they have an age limit or other qualifications for entering ( I always like to know about these)
3. How many sisters are there?

Thanks so much and God Bless you all!
zunshynn
I visited the Carmelites in San Francisco awhile back, and they were wonderful and orthodox. I would totally recommend them... they're lovely women. They have a grille, full habit, traditional Carmelite horarium... the works. They do not have a website, but you can check out pictures of their church at this website.

Their address is
Mother Elizabeth
The Carmel of Cristo Rey
721 Parker Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94118

The thread I made about my visit to their monastery is here.. And their foundation in Nebraska, the Monastery of Jesus, Mary and Joseph sounds awesome too. They chant the office in Latin and have the indult tridentine mass by the FSSP.
veritas99
My roommate was with the Carmelities in Denmark Wisconsin for 2 and half years. She loved her time there and peaks very highly of the community. They are getting many vocations right now and are growing. I'm not of their info but I believe it is in the Green Bay Diocese and might be worth looking up.
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(HeavenlyCalling @ Oct 13 2006, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1090684[/snapback]

Well, I am deffinatly going to have to write to the Carmilites in Buffalo, since they come so highly reccommeded.! D.gif If you are one of the posters who gave them such glowing reports, can you awnser a few quick questions?
1. Who would I adress a letter to?
2. Do they have an age limit or other qualifications for entering ( I always like to know about these)
3. How many sisters are there?

Thanks so much and God Bless you all!



1. Mother Myriam of Jesus, O.C.D.
2. I think 17/18ish
3. I'm not sure how large they are now. 21's the limit in Carmel - they may be close to that, but definitely write them


God bless you !!!
HeavenlyCalling
Thanks everyone, you have been a great help to me, and it seems I have some writing to do!
Margaret Clare
Here's the beautiful name and address of the monastery:


Monastery of the Little Flower of Jesus
75 Carmel Road
Buffalo, NY 14214


(716) 837-6499
HeavenlyCalling
Oh, by the way, pictures are always welcome, wether from Buffalo or any other suggested orders! D.gif P.gif D.gif P.gif D.gif P.gif D.gif P.gif
HeavenlyCalling
Oh, okay. I am going to call them, does anyone know a good time? I dont want to have the phone going off in the middle of their prayers. Thanks!
zunshynn
QUOTE(HeavenlyCalling @ Oct 14 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]1091535[/snapback]

Oh, okay. I am going to call them, does anyone know a good time? I dont want to have the phone going off in the middle of their prayers. Thanks!


Oh, don't worry about that. Monasteries get calls constantly... if they're unable to answer it I'm sure they have an answering machine to pick it up.
HeavenlyCalling
Okay, well that's good, I would have felt bad if I was interupting something, now I just have to wait for my mom to get of the phone with her friend!
HeavenlyCalling
Okay, not to post ten times in a row or anything, buuuuuuuuuuuut. I called the Carmel in Buffalo.
1. I ALWAYS, without fail call monestaries and convents when they are haveing a retreat weekend, always.
2. The good sisters currently have no heat or water because of the snow storm, please pray for them signofcross.gif bigpray.gif

Other then that everything was good, the nun who awnsered the phone asked me some questions after I gave my vocation spiel ( how many children are in your family, are you parents still alive, how old are you, ect.) and took down my number, saying she'd had someone call me when they weren't having technical difficulties blush.gif . I think either my connection was bad (I was using a cell hpone), or the sister was a little hard of hearing (prolly the first blush.gif )because she asked me to repeat things quiet a few times, but she was VERY nice saint.gif . Just thought I'd let y'all know! smile.gif smile.gif
ThyHolyLove
Glad that you got to talk to them! It's crazy about all the snow that Buffalo got and I hope they get heat and water back soon!
HeavenlyCalling
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ThyHolyLove Posted Today, 08:49 PM
Glad that you got to talk to them! It's crazy about all the snow that Buffalo got and I hope they get heat and water back soon!


Me too! The nun I talked to said they might not call back for a few days, because they're so busy trying to get everything back to normal.
Margaret Clare
Oh, dear! That's too bad about the snow storm and no heat and water! I'm sure they're offering everything with joy for all the souls. I'm glad you got to call though. smile.gif Please keep us updated on their condition.
daveybe
QUOTE(HeavenlyCalling @ Oct 14 2006, 10:27 PM) [snapback]1091840[/snapback]

2. The good sisters currently have no heat or water because of the snow storm, please pray for them signofcross.gif bigpray.gif

Greetings from Buffalo! I'm glad you were able to make contact with Carmel. The convent is on the north side of the city, which was hit very hard by the storm. Thanks to all for keeping the nuns in your prayers. Please also pray for all those in Buffalo who are still without electricity (about 200,000 people currently).

The weather has been mild ever since - the snow has melted and temperatures are in the low 50s, so that is a blessing. Our seminary is southeast of the city, so we fared much better and only had temporary outages.

I'll try to update this thread when things improve in North Buffalo. The Power Grid folks say it might be a week before power is restored up there, so definitely do not worry if you don't get a call from the Convent this week.

Blessings and Peace,
D.Be
brendan1104
Greetings from Buffalo and Kenmore- a small suburb of Buffalo.

I was without electricity and heat for two days, and I'm not complaining- many people are waiting still- it might take til Tuesday or Wednesday.

I'm so glad you called Buffalo Carmel. From what I understood from an extern they're doing ok. Truly a house of saints, I recommend them highly. Any questions feel free to ask.
Margaret Clare
Hey, 3 cheers for all you guys in Buffalo for making it through this!

I was going through some of my vocation things, and came upon a few items from Buffalo, and realized the Mother's name there is spelled 'Miriam' not 'Myriam' Just thought I'd tell you. :j

Happy Lord's day to all, and happy feastday of St. Teresa, too! (or rather tomorrow for Teresa, since today is Sunday)
Sr. Mary Catharine
QUOTE(Margaret Clare @ Oct 15 2006, 10:14 PM) [snapback]1092563[/snapback]

Hey, 3 cheers for all you guys in Buffalo for making it through this!

I was going through some of my vocation things, and came upon a few items from Buffalo, and realized the Mother's name there is spelled 'Miriam' not 'Myriam' Just thought I'd tell you. :j

Happy Lord's day to all, and happy feastday of St. Teresa, too! (or rather tomorrow for Teresa, since today is Sunday)


Wouldn't they have celebrated Madre Teresa today in Carmel? We Dominicans celebrate St. Dominic when it falls on a Sunday.
Margaret Clare
That's probably right. If your order celebrates St. Dominic when his feast falls on Sundays, I'm sure the Carmelites do too.

I think though that in general the Church usually moves (or even doesn't have them that year) feastdays that fall on Sundays, since the Lord's day "overrides" them, if that's the right word. Like for the breviary, I don't think I can do St. Teresa today, but maybe I could - I'm not sure. I know tomorrow would be St. Margaret Mary. smile.gif
HeavenlyCalling
idontknow.gif blush.gif offtopic.gif we really need a little nun smilie, we have one of a priest, and a married women, so it shouldn't be too hard for someone talented (not me:P:) to change it to a nuns veil, PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?
brendan1104
Carmel celebrated St. Teresa on Sunday.

QUOTE(Sr. Mary Catharine @ Oct 15 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1092580[/snapback]

Wouldn't they have celebrated Madre Teresa today in Carmel? We Dominicans celebrate St. Dominic when it falls on a Sunday.



QUOTE(Margaret Clare @ Oct 15 2006, 11:03 PM) [snapback]1092647[/snapback]

That's probably right. If your order celebrates St. Dominic when his feast falls on Sundays, I'm sure the Carmelites do too.

I think though that in general the Church usually moves (or even doesn't have them that year) feastdays that fall on Sundays, since the Lord's day "overrides" them, if that's the right word. Like for the breviary, I don't think I can do St. Teresa today, but maybe I could - I'm not sure. I know tomorrow would be St. Margaret Mary. smile.gif

zunshynn
we have a smiley of a married woman? I didn't know that!
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HeavenlyCalling
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HeavenlyCalling
Okay, I was looking on this website when I found an Order of OCD (ODC'S rock yahoo.gif smile.gif) but when I clicked on it this group said they had 24 professed nuns and one postulent, I thought ODC's could only have 21 nuns, am I wrong or just crazy? crazy.gif D.gif
brendan1104
Certain communities have been allowed to have more cloistered sisters in place of externs or the-now supressed group of lay sisters.
HeavenlyCalling
So, ODC's can have 21 cloistered sisters, is there any rule on extern sisters?
son_of_angels
There is a Carmel in Nebraska, served by the Fraternity of St. Peter. It is in the diocese of Denton, I think. It is very traditional, very cloistered, and a very beautiful cloistered.
HeavenlyCalling
It's been a while now, does anyone know how the Carmelites in Buffalo are doing, what with all the snow and stuff?
daveybe
QUOTE(HeavenlyCalling @ Oct 19 2006, 03:24 PM) [snapback]1095904[/snapback]

It's been a while now, does anyone know how the Carmelites in Buffalo are doing, what with all the snow and stuff?

Large portions of North Buffalo are still without electricity. I don't know for certain, but i would assume that the sisters are still suffering bravely without heat. Fortunately the temperatures have been mild... 60 degrees.

My parents just got their power restored this afternoon. Hopefully it won't be long for the Carmel. Hang in there...

Brendan: do you have any details? You are more connected there than i am.
HeavenlyCalling
I hop1e they do get their heat and stuff back soon, it stinks to be without it camp.gif. And a slightly more selfish motive is that they said they would call me when everything was back to normal blush.gif Yeah, if you do have any detials Brendon, please let us know
HeavenlyCalling
Okay dokey, an update on the Buffalo Carmel front! When I was out canoeing and camping camp.gif sailing.gif Mother Miram called my house eyespop.gif , so my dad took a message (when I heard he picked up the phone the first thing I said was 'you didn't say anything, did you?' he has a habit of saying VERY embarrasing things blush.gif) But anyway, I called Mother back mobile.gif ( I think they know have all their sytems working thumbsup.gif) she was VERY nice, she asked about my family grouphug.gif and stuff, and she said she'd send me a booklet on the monestary coffee.gif , and that I could visit and stay in the guesthouse anytime I could D.gif . Then, toward the end of the conversation she she said all sorts of things about the Monestary, how they had the full habit, grill, no TV, and other cool Carmilte stuff (:wishes we had a nun icon:), then she asked if she had scared me away yet, caption_no.gif. And she said again I was welcome to come and visit, and suggested I also visit other Carmels nearer to me until I got the chance to see them. Just thought I should update detective.gif happy.gif . (oh, and they have 14 sisters, with 2 more filling out papers D.gif cool.gif) and then we talked a bit more about the weather snowman.gif and I had to go, please pray for me and everyone out there please! signofcross.gif pray.gif
brendan1104
So you finally got to speak to her reverence! Great! Now all that's left is to visit and apply wink.gif Even if you're not called there, you've been given the great grace of speaking to the prioress and knowing more about a house of saints- no understatement. As of this evening, the majority of the Buffalo area still has power and we're doing ok. Thanks for the prayers everybody. Talk to you later.
Margaret Clare
Dear HeavenlyCalling,
I remember once you mentioned you'd love to see pictures of this Carmel. I have a few on digital camera, but the software for the camera won't work in our new computer. But if I'm ever able to somehow view the pictures and put a few here, I will. Most of the pictures we took there were on a regular camera, so when I find them, I can scan them and post them here. smile.gif
HeavenlyCalling
That would be wonderful, I love pictures!!!!! There were quiet a few in the packet, but they were from a little while ago and were in blck and white.
Totus Tuus
The number 1 Carmel I would recommend would be the Carmel in Alexandria, South Dakota.

We had an aspirant when I was at OLAM who had left a Carmel in Canada during her novitiate. She said that although they were extremely ascetical, the spirit of Carmelite prayer and solitude were not present within the community. She said she felt like it was that way in many Carmels in North America. Someone else who visited OLAM moved to Spain in order to join a Carmel that was really living the life as it is meant to be lived. She couldn't find that in North American Carmels.

These are just two account I know of; I have not visited Carmels myself. But I do believe that the Alexandria Carmel is probably the best in this country, or on par with other good ones.

Anyway, God bless you!

Lauren
HeavenlyCalling
Quick question. I want to give the good sisters another call, but I dont want to keep bugging Mother, I am sure she has other things to do ( like run a monestary and care for 15 sisters ) is there a vocation director at Buffalo, or someone else who could awnser vocation type questions? I dont want to be a pain and overlaod Mother Miriam with questions. P.gif D.gif

Totus Tuus
QUOTE(HeavenlyCalling @ Dec 12 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]1140433[/snapback]

Quick question. I want to give the good sisters another call, but I dont want to keep bugging Mother, I am sure she has other things to do ( like run a monestary and care for 15 sisters ) is there a vocation director at Buffalo, or someone else who could awnser vocation type questions? I dont want to be a pain and overlaod Mother Miriam with questions. P.gif D.gif


Don't worry about bugging her. If she wants you to talk to someone else (i.e., the vocations directress) she will hand you over to her smile.gif
brendan1104
You can call Mother, or ask for an extern (probably Sr. Agnes Marie). Her Reverence is a woman of heroic charity and I'm sure you'll be glad to take/return your call. As far as I know, Mother Miriam handles the vocation questions directly, sometimes delegating another sister.

Don't be afraid!

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