I'm hoping that it won't look too horrid as it grows out. . . But I'm so tired of dyeing it. . .. Here's to hoping that I don't chicken out!

Here are a couple more..
Before


After


Before...
As candidates:


As postulants:


After...
As novices!


(I had the privilege of meeting the novice class. They look SO much different in their veils than in the pictures without!)

10 candidates, 9 postulants, 7 novices. . .not TOO bad of an attrition rate!

I love when the e-letter has pictures.

And actually.. the one candidate that didn't become a postulant...


...is about to become one!! She's sweet and funny and just totally Franciscan too.


Me too.

All these veils make me wonder again... how do you tell the difference between a male novice and a male professed?

How can you tell the difference between a deacon and a priest when they're both wearing a collar?

How can you tell the difference between a brother and a father when they're both in their habit?

YOU CAN'T! I just guess and risk looking stupid either way.

Well for my bro's the MFVA's, the professed wear hoods while the novices don't

oo a male question,
well that depends on the Community, up here, no one wheres habits,clerics rarely except for the local Benedictine monks on their property..so you cant tell who is what of anyone..BUT

Benedictines, many, will not receive the leather Belt, until professed, or they will have a much shorter scapular as a Novice.. a
lso in monastic Choir, novice , professed and solemn professed would have different types of Capes, Cowls .
Franciscans, some, will have the sort of scapular thing, loose, then sown down later, at profession..
in general, i find no matter what mens Community most have a belt or scapular diffrence..thats how one tells...
yet some Communities, like the Brothers of Bethlehem,& the Assumption and St Bruno, their is no telling...
some 'traditional' Franciscans, shave their heads on profession
its all as you see , particular to a Congregations traditions and customary...

yet! in my former Community in France there was no significant difference in looks between Novice and professed, Clergy or Brother..so just eeveryone was Brother..period.

in the Mercy of Christ Jesus, Emile-James,

in the Eastern Church (Orthodox-Byz- cath ) it relates to their hats.. and cowls, but though they dont have what we would call Novices per se...
the Brother Monk, second from left-Novice John-Maria, brother beside him, 3rd from left,(Br Basil) professed OSB,

Whoa, double post.

hello, excuse my ignorance..what does MFVA mean, or who are they?
Thanks, Blessings, E-J.

Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word. Mother Angelica's boys.

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sorry.


most of the time i've found you can tell in the scapulars that they wear. if not, just ask!

edit to say: I just realized that today's Oprah show was the one mentioned earlier in this thread. I was thinking of a completely different episode. But I caught a few minutes of today's.. which was pretty interesting.

At my favourite Benedictine House they wear a cloth band round the tunic rather than a belt. A postulant wears a black cassock, and receives the habit at investiture as normal. However, in choir a novice doesn't wear the monastic cowl (great big black flowing thing that can look quite intimidating in a quantity of a dozen or so at twenty to six in the morning in a dark, dark abbey church...ok, enough of my weird teenage experiences), which is given at first profession.

But then Benedictines are notorious for taking the word "autonomous" and running with it One of the houses in the EBC has a different way of fastening the hood at the neck - just to be different from the rest, I suspect

Trying desperately to prevent this post from being totally ... Buckfast dropped the tonsure after WW2 (I think), and now the monks take it in turns to be (play?) barber every few weeks or something. Playing the game of "guess who's been cutting hair today" whilst the community are processing out of Vespers is muchly amusing. It can be quite hit and miss sometimes.

Love and prayers,

PP

hughey: I was referring to my own post, not yours

Thanks all! I like the "guess the order" and "guess the ordination" game very much. One of my favourite activities on Catholic Youth day

PP: I guess we'll be able to see it "life in action" when we visit BF next year, won't we?

1. We're going to Buckfast again?
2. You're going to make me wait until 2008?

Tee hee.

Ok. HAIR!

Mine is, as usual, plaited, wrapped up in a bun and covered by my kerchief today. What's yours like?

Love and prayers,

PP

Mine's in a ponytail with a big flower on the elastic, but it was loose for a while because it had to dry!

I have bed head this morning - we'll see what my boss says. It was either come in with puffy curly hair that can't be put up (not that it can really be put up when it's straight) or be 45 minutes late.


I'm hoping she'll prefer bed head.

Thanks for sharing, I'll look into this, for Iwant my hair to really go help someone!

Mine is down... as usual (unless I wake up too late to shower before work or am working out).

Lauren, that is a beautiful tradition at OLAM and might I ask, what do they do with it after the investment?

That really made me laugh, how often do you go there?

I flat-ironed my hair today and put it in a pigtial. I really want to go it out long enough to briad.

In our archives we have a few samples of what the Sisters did with the hair from their investment ceremony. There's a framed "hair bouquet" and I mean it literally. The Sisters would twist the hair and make it look like flowers, sometimes adding little flowers or beads. When I get a chance I'll try to take a picture from our archives

When I was growing my hair out, I'd get a cut once every 2-3 months, to keep it in shape.

That worked. I got it to a bit below shoulder length in about 5 years. My hair is curly so a straight bob won't work well -- so because its layered it does take a bit to grow out.

But now that I'm back to short hair -- it is a blessing. I get a cut every 4 weeks, and its much more manageable.

But ... I had a bad hair day on the 23rd of December. The hair stylist (my normal one) really didn't do a good job. It looks pretty bad -- one of the priest in the community I've been visiting has actually made a comment like "what's up with your hair", to which I responded "its a really bad cut".

Oh well, maybe by another 2 weeks it'll be long enough to try to do something to correct it.

So I'll live with it for now ... I may start to look into using gel to try to get the stuff that sticks up to kind of stay in place.

-- Carmen

My hair has just never done what I wanted it to

AAAAAAAMEN to that!! haha

last nite, i was in the Crypt of the Cathedral for our youth ministry and the girl next to me leaned over and goes,
"hey, i just realized that if your hair caught on fire, no one would notice!"
later in the evening i flipped my head down into my lap and my hair went too...almost into the candle. everyone screamed, "YOUR HAIR!"

a few weeks ago, this was a conversation between me and a priest (Padre Paulo from the Padre Paulo fanclub on the lame board):
Fr. Paul: You should grow your hair out really long for like five years.
me: Why?
Fr. Paul: Cos then it'd be really big and it coudl be cast in a Hebrew play as the Burning Bush!

My hair is long straight with some wave, dark brown and I usually wear it in a long braid or up in a bun.

God Bless You!

Hey anyone wear a vail to Mass? or even anytime or all the time.
and of course we know Sisters wear vails

I want to start wearing one, but I know where I go except for St.Joe's no one wears one. I have a white triangle one that covers my head.

What color and how big?

I wear a mantilla, yes! The women in my family all share veils... we have a lot of different colors. I got some in Spain that were silver and yellow (respectively). But generally black and white are the most common colors. It doesn't matter what color you wear. Some people like to observe the tradition of wearing a white veil if they are unmarried and a black one if they are, but I don't really know anyone who does that anymore.

Go for it! Even if you're the only one, you could start a wonderful trend. In case of confrontation, make sure you can explain why you're wearing it; I like to tell people who ask me that it is a good way to imitate Our Lady.

Best wishes

Lauren

I wear a white one because I am not married. (now you know someone, Lauren!) It is long (about midway down my back). I needed it long to cover my hair - and I liked the long ones better anyway.

I tend not to wear mine at my home parish for a couple of reasons. But I wear it in adoration and at other churches.

hmmm could be an interestng read...

I've seen that book!! Phatcatholic and I flipped through it together for a few moments.

I wear a white mantilla at Sunday Mass (Lauren - Person No. 2!), and my mother wears a black one when I can convince her to go to Mass. It elicits some subtle grins from our parish priest here

Love and prayers,

PP

Hi,

Thought I would jump in here. The pic link is me at 16-

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/bels...wk/scan0001.jpg

A bit of hair there.

These days its not longer than 1 and a half cms (less than an inch long). Ok, as it looks funny, I wear a scarf in public but I NEVER have a bad hair.....no hair to have one.....

Blessings,
Belinda

Belinda ..... Your hair looked lovely when you were sweet sixteen..... Im sure that it still does.!!!

OLAMDad gave it to me It's pretty interesting.

Sweet.

I Have a white lace mantilla, It comes down to about my sholders, but I would like to get a longer on. There is one other girl in my parish who wear one, but she's not there a lot of the time because she's at Stebenville.

I've read the book as well. I wish there were more pictures. But it was an interesting read.

I do not wear a mantilla. Perhaps one reason I do not, is I do not have a parish community. I have a work-church community, and I work at two additional parishes, and sometimes attend mass at a third parish. And if I wore a veil, I would want my decision to be respected by the larger community and respectful of that community (and most importantly motivated by my respect for Jesus).

I have read this book and highly recommend it!

God Bless You!

That veil looks HIGHLY uncomfortable.

Can you even BEGIN to fathom driving in that thing????

Never mind driving, it reminds me of the "Flying NUN"!!!

That scarifice with wearing that kind of headgear must have saved souls thou!

I thin it's kinda cool looking, but I have never worn one. When you see that headgear, you always know what order it is though, even in movies. I like to be able to tell at a glance what order a person is from.

OK I am blonde, what order is it???

Sisters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul, like St. Catherine Laboure

When I was watching the 'Phantom of the Opera', they have a nun with the old man. Mysister was like
'who is that' and me ( with my useless trivia) was like
'DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY OF ST. VINCINT DE PAUL'

But you can always tell the SMME, the Servents of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara, the Missionaries of Charity, and the PCPA's just from one look, and I like that. Probably because it makes me feel smart, but still.

Well I like the CFR habit.. even if you can't tell who they are in one glance.