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FutureNunJMJ
http://www.xanga.com/AnchoressNun/59734863...iscernment.html

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Of "discernment"

This is a theme that recurs frequently for us.

It has become a technical term, a "buzzword"

Simply, it means that there is the idea of becoming a Sister; so then there needs to be a time above all of prayer, of walking towards that possibility.... of exploring the many ways to serve ..

It needs to be a private and intimate time.... because if this is the urging of the Lord Jesus Christ? Then it is essentially between the person and Jesus.... Not to be broadcast widely or announced.

Mary, when the angel visited her, did not shout it from the rooftops.. She "pondered these things in her heart."

If someone is seeking status or human approval, then this is not true to Christ... That is not a calling to a hidden life in the cloister.

Find one good adviser; often priests or lay spiritual directors know very little about religious life. So seek someone within that life already who, of course, has been through it all herself. And who is used to listening and guiding.

Speak at that stage to no one else then of this. This is the Lord Jesus calling; listen to Him in the silence of your heart. An awesome time.. for you and for no - one else... Honour that intimacy and privacy; hug it to your heart.

Like Samuel in the temple; the wise old priest told him to listen and obey that calling...alone in the night....

There are so many Orders; those with an active life, those who are enclosed.... So many...

And this is something that cannot be done in a vacuum, or by reading web sites. Anyone can write a good web site...

There needs to be active participation from the start. Putting into real life and fact what is being thought of.

As Jesus says so often, "Come and see...".

So from the start there needs to be visiting as many Orders in the type you are drawn to as possible, again with good guidance. Always telling the Order that you feel drawn to this life.. Most will gladly allow a visit and will talk and listen face to face.

And they have done this so often. Their trust; their commitment to the future of hwat has been entrusted to them.

Attending services etc at a convent is not the same.... By no manner of means.

There is far, far more to being a religious than formal prayer which is open to the public.

So many get a vague idea that they would like to be a nun. Especially as they appoach middle years when maybe their life has not been as fulfilling as they would have liked.

Many who have entered in their youth and not found it to their liking; that will not be different now..

" Time and forgetfulness sweeten memory".

This is not true vocation to that life... Those who think like this blench at the reality.

Yet exploring and seeing that, if a woman is prepared to be honest with herself, can be growth and a settlement within herself, and a step on the way to a fuller and richer life in Christ.

Not easy; but worth the walk.

Blessings this day........ always here for you. Always at the Master's Feet in Prayer....


Funny thing, I've been kinda thinking about the same thing for a bit now... Although, I have been thinking about other things that somewhat have to do with this as well. Hmmm...
Totus Tuus
Good to hear. Thanks for posting. Things are much simpler when you're not running around with a banner that says "I'm discerning!". I never advertised the fact but people seem to figure it out (generally through my family). But I do think that if someone (who is not trying to cause trouble, but is being genuine) asks you what you're discerning as a plan for your life, we shouldn't hesitate to tell them that we're discerning the religious life. It shocks people in a good way happy.gif Personally it is always hard for me to admit that I am discerning religious life when people ask me what I'm doing; not because I'm ashamed of it, but because I know a shower of questions, quizzical looks, or the "let me talk you out of this" conversations usually follow suit. But it is nice for me now, when those things happen, to say "well, I've done it before and I really loved it". That puts most people at ease.
Mary-Kathryn
So many get a vague idea that they would like to be a nun. Especially as they appoach middle years when maybe their life has not been as fulfilling as they would have liked.

Wow. I find that to be quite a mean-spirited thing to say. One can have an un-fulfilling life at any stage, not just in "middle" age as she puts it. I like to think that most of us in our 40's [and up] have enough common sense to know that running away isn't the answer to life's problems. Though I haven't discerned religious life, I think there are older women who would make fine religious--in various forms--like consecrated virgins, secular institues, sisters, nuns, etc... Also, don't the religious orders have a process that "weeds out" those who try to enter for the wrong reasons?



alicemary
I share your sentiments. I found the writing to be condescending. I guess in their writing anyone over 25 is middle aged and ready for the retirement home.
brendan1104
Unfortunately, the woman who publishes that Xanga is actually a member/nun in the schismatic and often-heretical Old Catholic Church.
Totus Tuus
QUOTE(alicemary @ Jun 15 2007, 06:36 PM) [snapback]1296262[/snapback]
I share your sentiments. I found the writing to be condescending. I guess in their writing anyone over 25 is middle aged and ready for the retirement home.


I have to confess that I did not read the whole article, and now I see that they were written in an air of pride. It's unfortunate. Though a couple of good points were made, it's sad that there is this misconception that anyone past thirty must be senile. sad.gif
Graciela
How do you know that she's an Old Catholic Church member? I couldn't tell from the xanga info... or did I miss something? Is there another web site about her or her hermitage or community?
brendan1104
She used to be a member here, and I'm not sure if she got banned or chose to leave - this is around August 05? - but she admitted it, and it was on one her sites/xangas, and she has the phishy label.
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(FutureNunJMJ @ Jun 15 2007, 01:17 PM) [snapback]1296104[/snapback]
http://www.xanga.com/AnchoressNun/59734863...iscernment.html
Funny thing, I've been kinda thinking about the same thing for a bit now... Although, I have been thinking about other things that somewhat have to do with this as well. Hmmm...


Hey, I've been thinking the exact same thing myself! ... and also about the internet - how it can so easily become a distraction from prayer.

I've been asking myself lately, was life better without the internet? My immediate reply is, yes! Like in high school, when I could only go online in the library in my town, and I got like 1 or 2 emails a week ... I do think life is much better when we're more present to the actual people in our lives, without so many connections and correspondences online, if you get what I mean. We will all meet, with the grace of God, in Heaven someday. And this world compared to eternity is so short!

Although I don't mean to say anything against phatmass or Vocation Station, because truly it has been so neat learning about so many different communities, and seeing so many people entering .. Wow! And of course the internet in itself is very resourceful for finding information on great communities, don't get me wrong. It's incredible for that! And all the wonderful people I've met here. Truly I will keep everyone in my heart wherever I end up entering!

About keeping your vocation to yourself .. I do think it is good to for other people to see that many are entering religious life .. and when people ask me what I'm doing with my life, I am always happy to say I'm discerning religious life. But at the same time, as far as the cloistered life goes, it is a call to a hidden life. I think some are called to share their vocation story to give witness to Christ, but I don't think everyone is called to this. It is something between God and the soul.

I did speak with a priest the other day though about it and about this internet question, and he did highly recommended I leave the internet ... so very soon I do plan to heed his advice .. But guys, this life is so short, when I do leave .. nevermind! eternity is right around the corner! happy.gif
the lords sheep
I'm with many of the other people who felt like her article/reflection was very "holier-than-thou"

As far as telling others you are discerning, I think both prayer and prudence are necessary in this situation. I often try to push myself on the side of telling people that I am considering joining the religious life, because very few people on the college scene ever consider the religious life because they don't realize its an option. They just assume only incredibly religious and I suppose dull people look into the religious life. rolleyes.gif
One friend even told me "but you can't be a Sister.... you're too.... fun!" lol_roll.gif

I don't shout it from the rooftops, but I try not to hide it. I just try to be prudent about it (for example, I make no real secret of it at school, but my family doesn't know yet.)

Each person has his or her own situation. Some will be called to be a witness not only in their vows as a consecrate vocation, but also in their willingness to walk the path of the Lord.

God bless you all!

In Jesus and Mary,
Lauren
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(Graciela @ Jun 15 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1296299[/snapback]
How do you know that she's an Old Catholic Church member? I couldn't tell from the xanga info... or did I miss something? Is there another web site about her or her hermitage or community?

http://www.iol.ie/~anchorhold/

She is in the Living Stream Sisters of Faith. From looking it up online, I can only find a couple references, and one, that they're from the Celtic Catholic church. So yes, this sister is not a Roman Catholic.

Regardless of that, and what she wrote in her blog, the topic of keeping one's vocation to yourself is interesting.

I think it's good on one hand to let people know to let your light shine before men - but at the same time, I also highly value hiddenness. I'm probably somewhere in the middle - to let those in your family and community share in the joy & hope for the Church of your vocation, but not to broadcast it or anything. You guys get what I mean. happy.gif
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(the lords sheep @ Jun 16 2007, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1296467[/snapback]
I'm with many of the other people who felt like her article/reflection was very "holier-than-thou"

Yes, I agree. In saying that a vocation should "not be broadcast widely or announced" ... it seems to be saying those that do tell others are doing something wrong. But there are definitely times when we do need to announce that we are discerning, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I remember when I first told my mom when I was calling from college, that I wanted to become a nun, it was so joyful!! And it was great sharing this with others in college.

Yeah, Lauren, I think it's really really important to share this with people, especially in college, with so many other people around trying to figure out what they're going to do. Definitely examples of other people are important. I grew up with no sisters in my life, a few in my later youth, but without habits. So I never realized very much the option of religious life - only once from this one young women that became a Sr. of St. John. And that definitely made a difference for me!

But regarding older vocations, actually this sister also entered religious life at a later age. I was just reading through this thread from 05 the other day - Older/Late Vocations
Lioness For Christ
I have a few thoughts... Okay there isn't a problem with age IMHO.... God calls people at different times and sometimes it takes one a little longer to respond in some cases... So yeah...

And about "broadcasting".... Well, I dunno I have mixed feelings... I'm not telling people at work and I'm not running about the streets on the matter... But I HAD to tell my parents--and it was wonderful! (Though Allie knows it wasn't easy to get to that point!) And talking online has really helped me to... You know? Sometimes it's good to talk with other discerners not to "broadcast" but rather to I dunno... Ask questions get answers and support each other and pray for each other and such!
Margaret Clare
QUOTE(Lioness For Christ @ Jun 16 2007, 08:32 AM) [snapback]1296566[/snapback]
And talking online has really helped me to... You know? Sometimes it's good to talk with other discerners not to "broadcast" but rather to I dunno... Ask questions get answers and support each other and pray for each other and such!

Yes, I do agree though. I've learned so much from talking online, it is true! And the supporting and praying for each other is great! pray.gif
DiscerningSoul
If it wasn't for online sharing, I would have never even consider my discernment of a vocation.
Thru sharing, I have learned that I am not the only one to go thru struggels.
However I do admit I have in the past talked way to freely about my vocation, however I have noticed that while talking about discernment to others, it is a great oppertunity to share about God!
alicemary
I think it is very important to speak to others about what you are feeling about possibly entering religious life, but I believe you must use caution. Work or school may not be the best place to broadcast it. Some people have confusing ideas of what entering the convent means, and you don't want to be held accountable for all you actions before your enter. I mean, if you want to have a couple drinks or go dancing, you don't want people throwing it in your face...what kind of nun would you be?
Phatmass is wonderful for finding good people. Many convents have a pre postulancy program, and certainly there are others discrerning there. And of course,you really need to have a good rapore with the vocation director/novice mistress of your chosen community.
Cathoholic Anonymous
In spite of the condescending tone and the sister's doubtful status, the principle of keeping your vocation to yourself is a good one. During the early stages of my discernment I was ready to babble on about Carmel and all these different communities to anybody who would listen. Now I'm much more reluctant to speak about it unless the person is a particularly close friend. My reasons for the shift in attitude go like this:

1.) Non-Catholics who don't know much about the religious life may pin a prejudice to you so firmly that it will be difficult for you to remove it. (I very much regret telling one of my friends at university about my discernment, as he is now firmly convinced that I am scared of sex and is doing his valiant best to help me conquer a phobia that doesn't exist.) Catholics may get so overexcited and enthused by your choice that you will feel as if you are letting them down when you tell them that you aren't quite as ready to leap into the nearest monastery as you thought.

2.) Your judgment may be weakened by the well-intentioned but misguided advice of the kind of people that Lauren mentioned.

3.) Alternatively, your vocal insistence that you are "soooooooo totally gonna be a sister" may stopper up your ears and prevent you from hearing God's voice in the words of good and sensible friends. Your prayer will become about what YOU want.

4.) You will begin to fantasise about the future instead of concentrating on serving God in this present moment.

I've made all of those mistakes. Now I am very careful about the people I talk to, choosing only those friends (Catholic and non-Catholic) whose judgment I respect. Not necessarily those whose judgment I agree with. The results have been very positive.

I do occasionally make an exception to the rule. As I was walking home from a tutorial one day, my tutorial partner (an atheist) asked me if I had begun thinking about what to do after leaving the university. I opened my mouth to tell him about my plans to write and do not-for-profit work (both of which fit quite nicely under the umbrella of Carmel), but something inside urged me to challenge him. So I said simply, "I hope to be a nun." That one sentence nearly threw him sideways. We were discussing the monastic life and the value of prayer all the way home.

But that was an exception. If it happened all the time the experience would not be valuable and I wouldn't have known how to give answers to his questions.
Staretz
I havent told very many people about my vocational discernment. First, because I am an intensely private person anyway. I hardly talk about myself with my coworkers to any extent. Second, because my financial impediment may well prevent me from joining till I turn 50, if then. Come tio think of it, thats not too far away for me. If I tell people about my discernment, they sometimes expect you to disappear into the monastic life within a few months.
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