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johnnydigit
as i fall more in love with the TLM, i wonder if i am called to an order that celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass. now i know i am more likely to find a more traditional and cloistered order that does this, but what about a semi-active order with some younger guys?

personally i am also looking for the following,

-brothers - not just canons regular (priests only)
-active/contemplative (parish missions, retreats, music events)
-active with poor/youth
-Marian (daily Rosary)
-Eucharistic (daily Benediction/adoration/holy hour)
-big hood.


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so far i know of these who meet some but not all,

-Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, CFR. New York
-Oblates of the Virgin Mary, OMV. Boston/California/etc. - (just started TLM low Mass at parish)
-Norbertines, O.Praem. California/etc. - (moving towards TLM?)
-Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word, MFVA. Alabama
-Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate, FI. MA/IN


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if they don't happen to celebrate the TLM but are orthodox and serious about obedience to the Magisterium, or may at least do the responses in Latin like the EWTN missionaries on tv, i would think they would be open to the TLM in the future..


Gemma
QUOTE(johnnydigit @ May 5 2008, 03:50 AM) *
as i fall more in love with the TLM, i wonder if i am called to an order that celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass. now i know i am more likely to find a more traditional and cloistered order that does this, but what about a semi-active order with some younger guys?

personally i am also looking for the following,

-brothers - not just canons regular (priests only)
-active/contemplative (parish missions, retreats, music events)
-active with poor/youth
-Marian (daily Rosary)
-Eucharistic (daily Benediction/adoration/holy hour)
-big hood.
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so far i know of these who meet some but not all,

-Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, CFR. New York
-Oblates of the Virgin Mary, OMV. Boston/California/etc. - (just started TLM low Mass at parish)
-Norbertines, O.Praem. California/etc. - (moving towards TLM?)
-Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word, MFVA. Alabama
-Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate, FI. MA/IN
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if they don't happen to celebrate the TLM but are orthodox and serious about obedience to the Magisterium, or may at least do the responses in Latin like the EWTN missionaries on tv, i would think they would be open to the TLM in the future..


All of ours will: http://cloisters.tripod.com/id61.html

We're forming the Cloisterites and the CCMMs at present. I've not given much thought as to a men's habit for the CCMMs, but "big hood" might be part of it.

Cloisterites: http://cloisters.tripod.com/cloisterites/
CCMMs: http://cloisters.tripod.com/charity/

Blessings,
Gemma
Thomist-in-Training
How about the Fraternité Saint-Vincent-Ferrier? They are friars in full communion with Rome who live like Dominicans and use the Traditional Dominican Rite*, but as yet have not been officially accepted by the Order of Preachers. They hope in time however to become Dominican by law and not only by practice.

*The Traditional Dominican Rite is fairly similar to, but not the same as, the TLM. It's actually--get this--been codified for longer, since the fourth or fifth Master of the Order (in 1300 or so) decided that there should be a common Missal for the Order since they were always accepting new friars from new places. At that time there were many regional variations in the Mass from place to place.
  • Semi-Active: This is the very definition of Dominican life. St. Thomas, who besides being a Universal doctor of the Church, also did give plugs for his beloved Order, said that the best way of being a religious is to contemplate and give to others the fruits of your contemplation (as opposed to mainly contemplating, like the Benedictines and Cistercians). They preach Rosary Retreats (it looks like this year, for example, they are giving 4 retreats, 2 4-day and 2 5-day). They also prepare couples for marriage and lead pilgrimages: some for scouts (TLM scouting groups are apparently a big thing in France), some for mothers, some for fathers; along with other apostolates.
  • Younger Guys: If you go to this newsletter and scroll to page 3, you'll see a photo of a new Deacon (Friar Réginald-Marie) whom they just ordained last spring. The caption means "The deacon, his dalmatic and his smile!" Last summer, two brothers also pronounced perpetual vows (meaning they'd been there for six years). They are expecting two more professions this summer, as well as the priestly ordination of Friar Reginald-Marie. They are very small right now: fifteen, seven priests, one deacon and the rest brothers. However, they are an Institute of Pontifical Rite according to the Interview with their prior on the web site.
  • Brothers: Historically the Dominicans are mainly a priestly order but have always had lay-brothers, so I assume they follow this tradition. I couldn't tell you for sure, though; I don't see it off-hand on the site.
  • Youth: Besides the pilgrimages mentioned above, they have "Raids de canoe et velo"--I guess you would translate that as "Canoe and bike trips"--for boys:

    QUOTE
    ]...de Chartres jusqu’à Rouen, 170 km en canoë pour garçons de 16 et 17 ans, volontaires et capables de se prendre en main, du 7 au 17 juillet 2008. Aventure et vie chrétienne assurées.[/i]

    From Chartres to Rouen, 170 km in canoes for 16 & 17-yr-old boys, strong-willed and capable of ('taking themselves in hand' I guess), for 10 days. Adventure and Christian living guaranteed.


    Those who have gone on trips are invited to join the "Padre Pio Alliance" which involves "a small Rule of Life."
    There is also "Camp Pier Giorgio Frassati," a Dominican-tertiary Blessed who loved mountain climbing. The camp is a week on a mountain with skiing, snow-shoe walks and prayer vigils, and a day working and praying with Benedictine monks.

    They also seem to have a sort of "Theology on Tap" for college students--that is my guessing translation of "Café-Caté" since the little logo for it says "Wine makes glad the heart of man."
  • Marian: Yep! See above about the Rosary Retreats. Historically the Dominicans have a strong Marian attachment. Their Prior mentions that St. Louis de Montfort and St. Maximilian Kolbe exemplify the especial importance of Mary in these our present times.
  • Holy Hours: On first Thurs. they have a holy hour for vocations. They don't list a daily Holy Hour but they do pray Lauds, Terce, Sext, None five days out of seven, Vespers, and Compline. On Sundays they have Benediction.
  • Big hood: Mais oui!

An exciting note from their newsletter:

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Pendant une semaine, Frère Alain-M. fait, à pied et en mendiant, une tournée des fermes dans un secteur du Nord-Mayenne. C’est la première édition d’une mission d’évangélisation dans les campagnes, qu’il compte renouveler.

For a week, Friar Alain-Marie made, walking on foot and begging, a journey around the farms in a section of North Mayenne. This is the first installment of a mission of evangelization in the countryside, which he plans to repeat.


Now the drawback: They are French. But I must say that it is not impossible to learn a foreign language, especially if you live in an immersion situation. Further, ideally they will grow and be able to spread abroad. So, to anyone who finds this description compelling but speaks no French, I recommend that you write to them anyways.

I have gotten all of the facts above from their web page, which is only in French. If anyone is interested in a translation of specific pages of the site, like the Interview with the prior telling about how they got started and their goals; or their activities with youth; or a longer description of the Rosary retreats; or the Dominican Rite; I will be glad to oblige during my spare moments this week, as I think their enterprise is top-notch. (Also, this can become a new thread if there looks to be a lot of interest, or there may already be a thread on them buried somewhere.)

Two things you can access with no language barriers are this video with English captions, and their Visit in Pictures.
DeoOptimoMaximo

The new proposed religious society the Rosarians of the Poor Christ meets all of your criteria...

Check out our blog rosariansofthepoorchrist.blogspot.com for more preliminary info or PM me!


In Him,
Cathoholic Anonymous
The only community that I can think of that meets some of your criteria is the Community of St John. They have both priests and brothers. I have spoken to some of their sisters, who tell me that the rosary is a big part of the community's spirituality, and I noted that their habit is fairly traditional.

I'm not sure whether they celebrate the TLM, though. I think that they have it occasionally.
Norseman82
Try the Institute of Christ the King:

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/
Ale
QUOTE(Norseman82 @ May 19 2008, 03:43 AM) *
Try the Institute of Christ the King:

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/


In Italy, there are 3 communities (clerical unions) practicing active life and "extraordinaria forma" of the Roman rite (= TLM):
1- Institute of Christ the King (already mentioned)
2- Brotherood of the Divine Mercy (= Fraternità della Divina Misericordia / Fraternitas Divinæ Misericordiæ )
3- Opus Mariae Matris Ecclesiae, in Tuscany
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