In Atlanta, the propers for the Mass were not the same texts, the celebrants, at almost every Mass, were changing the words to the Eucharistic Prayers so they "fit better" for the youths, and for the huge closing Mass, the hosts consecrated weren't in the same room! Now, there's debate, with a Mass that big, whether the hosts to be consecrated need to be on the altar or not, but in Atlanta, they had them in the Sacrasty and brought them out at Communion. That's completely ridiculous.
As for Veronica, the young girl killed, and her "canonization." It wasn't completely uncalled for, but presented in a very unorthodox way. We can pray that she is in heaven, but none of us has the right to declare her a saint. Ihope that's why he used the word "arrogance," in order to qualify his spiel.
I enjoyed, in Columbus, hearing the man who was playing some praise and worship before the closing liturgy talk about the Rosary and Mary's role in our life. That was another change from Atlanta. Nothing in Atlanta came up about Mary or the Rosary something integral (not necessarily required) to our salvation as Christians.
[quote name='Raphael' post='1418910' date='Nov 13 2007, 07:36 PM']Was anyone else uncomfortable with how far they bent the liturgy to be multi-cultural and youth oriented? I feel like, had I been a minority or a teen, I would have just felt like they were patronizing me.[/quote]
I haven't been on here in a while, but I though I'd pitch in. In a liturgical sense, I didn't care for the closing liturgy. After NCYC Atlanta, though, it was orthodox. In the general scheme of things, it shows how far youth ministry has come in the United States over the last 20 years. I would argue that the hosts we received weren't even consecrated a few years ago.
In Columbus, though, they made sure to keep the doves and banners separate from the processional, which I was appreciative of, though there is room in a procession for banners if one follows the rubrics. Before the conference, the Columbus Liturgy Office shot down the idea of having a sprinkling rite by means of SuperSoakers (thank God they addressed that!). I didn't see the cloth thing at the offertory. I missed it, but I was told there was no need for it. I didn't care much for the way the music was done, but i was glad that the responses and propers used matched the Liturgical texts. Overall, it was not as uplifting as it could have been, but it was VALID. That's a change from NCYC Atlanta.
[quote name='Paladin D' date='May 16 2005, 03:02 PM']The answer is: (D) [b]"No, I am your father"[/b]!!!
Though people often say [b]"Luke, I am your father"[/b], in the film, he says "No" instead of "Luke". I suppose the reason they do this is because people will recognize where the line is from since it has the word "Luke" and "father" in it.
The scene goes as such:
[b]Darth Vader[/b] - [i]"Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."[/i]
[b]Luke Skywalker[/b] - [i]"He told me enough! He told me you killed him."[/i]
[b]Darth Vader[/b] - [i]"No, I am your father."[/i]
[b]Luke Skywalker[/b] - [i]"No, no, that's not true! That's impossible!"[/i]
[b]Darth Vader[/b] - [i]"Search your feelings, you know for it to be true!"[/i]
They took a show that tried to be centered around God, then they put in little sub plots that are stupid, pointless, and sometimes result in choices that are not based in Chrisitan morals. I cannot give specific examples, becasue I stopped watching it after...like...the third show of the second season.
I'm not trying to start a debate, becasue you can not debate with opinions. I was stating my opinion, and if it offended anyone, I apoligize, but it shouldn't have. I listen to opinions all the time on phatmass and I don't get upset. I figure if it's serious enough to matter, then I will mention something to them, but you guys want to argue about a TV show. When you argue about opinions you get a debate that looks something like this:
Person 1:i'm right, you're wrong
Person 2:no...i'm right and you're wrong
Person 1:nope...that's incorrect...you are incorrect and I'm right
[quote name='lil bull 04' date='May 30 2005, 06:06 PM'] I recently read in the news that wearing makeup may not be good for a child if you wear it when your pregnant if you are a female. [/quote]
So it's ok for the child when you're pregnant and a male?