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Knights Of Columbus Third Degree Ceremony

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[quote name='Matthew Simechak' timestamp='1352088240' post='2504296']
I just did the 3rd degree today. I partook of the "new" 3rd degree. Let me just assure anyone reading this forum that the concerns expressed herein are now moot. I had some Brother Knights explain the "old third degree" so that I could understand what you guys were talking about.

Rest assured that the new 3rd degree is completely different and contains no elements of deception whatsoever.
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I too completed my 3rd degree yesterday, and I completely concur

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Pliny

I just did the 3rd degree today. I partook of the "new" 3rd degree. Let me just assure anyone reading this forum that the concerns expressed herein are now moot. I had some Brother Knights explain the "old third degree" so that I could understand what you guys were talking about.

Rest assured that the new 3rd degree is completely different and contains no elements of deception whatsoever.

 

Cool.  Deception isn't good and it is not necessary to trick a Catholic in order to make a point.

 

I'm happy because of the change for the better.  Our discussion here has borne fruit!

 

Now if we could only do something about the way 4th degree knights dress.  I mean it might be cool to have a sword and all, but I wouldn't be caught dead wearing the 4th degree regalia and one of those funny looking hats.

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CatholicsAreKewl

if you're dead, wouldn't you be relatively easy to catch?

 

3rd degree BURN.

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sir_knight



I appreciate your charitible response.

My third degree experience was soon after I converted to Catholicism almost 15 years ago, so this is not something recent, though it has stuck in my craw somewhat.

Up until that point, every Catholic experience I had as a seeker and later as a convert was a good and wonderful experience. What I appreciated most about my seeking into the faith is that it was never pushed. I was always given the space to discern for myself. All Catholic teaching was presented in a reasonable way. I would have resisted any attempt to teach by deception.

You don't need to lock someone in a room all day, and then tell him it was for his own good to teach him about boredom. You don't need to slap somoene on the face to teach him about the need to forgive. You don't need to lie on the ground in my yard pretending to be ill to teach me a lesson about charity and coming to the aid of the sick. All these things can be taught from real life experiences. (And none of these examples have to do with the K of C third degree initiation directly).

I have had the time to reflect on the Third Degree, and even encountered some of the members of the degree team on a K of C bowling tournament, and one of them explained it all to me, but not to my satisfaction. It just seems to me that everyone who is involved buys into it without question.

I will admit that I am in the minority about this. The only other person I know who at the time was strongly against used a crude expression and called it a "mind ****." (He's now a priest, so I hope he's cleaned up his language a little).

I have told my wife all about it and told my sons too. I never used trickery with my sons, and would not be a part of having the tricked by a Catholic organization of all things.

Further, it was not a sin to share that with them, and might very well have been a sin (for me) to NOT share that.

It would not be a sin for me to tell all on the internet, either, though I refrain for now, as I am interested in looking at this from your perspective.

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sir_knight
Don't give up on the Knights . . . a lot of things have changed in the last 15 years. I am on1st, 2nd and 4th degree teams, and was recently the honoree at a 3 rd degree ceremony. I'd recommend you find a young council and renew your membership, then attend a 3rd degree as an observer. I think you will be pleasantly surprised, and impressed. Also, I'd recommend taking a role on a 1st degree team . . . Warden would be a good starting point. The Knights have a premiere insurance program, and you should avail yourself of that opportunity. . . . look especially at the annuity program.

Good Luck and Vivat Jesus!

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Paul L.

   I just completed the Third Degree this weekend in Elmira, New York and it was nothing like all of these posts!  These posts are giving false information to anyone searching the internet for useful information.

 

 

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Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

Like I know prudence is nescisary in what to say and not say about others when there not present and when to say it and who to say it to or its idle gossip or at worst defaming another persons character, but this secret society stuff scares me, sounds kinda freemasonry. But all in all also I boast in things Jesus does for me and he was always telling people to keep what he was doing to themselves, I guess to not make a show of it, to show off, making the seriousness of salvation some entertainment spectacle, and let peoples curiosity of your demeanor, charity, joy etc to draw them to ask questions. Idk I hope these knights are cool though. 

Please forgive me Lord a putrid sinner. :(

Jesus "peter put away your sword, violence begats violence"

 

Knights are warriors who are called to kill another during war. Just war doctrine I guess. I hope, wish and pray for all violence to end on this planet. :concede::flowers::amen::buddies:

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