Traditional Introduction To Tridenteen

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='14 January 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1263524365' post='2037384']
JMJ
I second that! I feel very bad about the Pius the V nuns. Their habits are beautiful, and they sing like angles. Don't let the distance intimdate you from the Latin Mass, my family lives an hour away from our Church, and we are from a completely different dioscese!
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I just wanted to say that I really admire that you drive so far to attend the extraordinary form of the Mass. I live only 10 minutes away from the Latin Mass, and I sometimes don't even make it.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='15 January 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1263528622' post='2037467']
JMJ
You are very kind. I am considering all options, and I think that people periodically consider founding, so I was a bit curious to see what the response would be. I also have talked to the Dominican Sisters of Mary Mother of the Eucharist, who are lovely. Are the Franciscan Sisters you mentioned part of the Immaculata Militia? I have read articles about some new Jesuits in Europe, and they seem to be a bit more conservative now :-)

Tridenteen
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The Franciscans of the Immaculate (FI) do all that they can to promote the "[url="http://maryvictrix.wordpress.com/mim/"]Militia of the Immaculate Mediatrix[/url]" (MIM), which is a public association of the faithful approved definitively by the Chuch, and founded by Fr. Stefano M. Manelli, FI - the founder of the FI. Once a month they host meetings for the MIM (in various locations; usually in Connecticut and Indiana) and it is here that a lot of informal teaching happens amongst the families - really beautiful and [i]fun[/i]! Within the MIM, they also have an organization for men called the [url="http://maryvictrix.wordpress.com/mim/"]Knights of Lepanto[/url] (who learn and live "Marian Chivalry for the Modern World") and for women, the [url="http://maryvictrix.wordpress.com/other-marys/"]Other Marys[/url]. They live the charism and spirituality of the FI, but as laity -- to promote “the universal mission of the Immaculate Mediatrix.”.

Makes me wish I lived near by to go to those meetings!

Blessed be God about those Jesuits you've been reading about! There's (always) hope!!!

[Freudentaumel]

I know of only two approved communities of sisters that use the TLM exclusively and are teaching:
[url=http://www.saintbenedict.com]The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary[/url] in Still River, MA and
[url=http://www.dominicaines-du-saint-esprit.fr]The Dominicans of the Holy Spirit[/url] in France, which are comparably large and run six schools

The Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church have gone amost completely Novus Ordo, unfortunately.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Freudentaumel

[vee]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='14 January 2010 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1263525758' post='2037410']

P.S. -- When I first discerned my vocation, I too wanted to found my own order. I wanted to found a female order of Jesuits to reform the current order... A little ambitious maybe?... now I just pray for them. A lot.

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I love the Jesuits too although I can understand your desire to help them reform. My spiritual director is a very intelligent and holy Jesuit, so at least there`s one out there. I thank God he is my director, and pray for him and all Jesuits a lot as well.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='vee8' date='15 January 2010 - 07:27 PM' timestamp='1263598071' post='2037951']
I love the Jesuits too although I can understand your desire to help them reform. My spiritual director is a very intelligent and holy Jesuit, so at least there`s one out there. I thank God he is my director, and pray for him and all Jesuits a lot as well.
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I would love to have a good, holy, intelligent Jesuit for a spiritual director (though I'm quite happy and thankful for the one I have -- Blessed be God!). I mean, with St. Ignatius and his "Discernment of Spirits"... it'd be so awesome. Discernment should be their "specialty", right?

I'm definitely a [i]little[/i] jealous, vee8. Hopefully, it's only "holy envy"!

[vee]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='15 January 2010 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1263604465' post='2038012']
I would love to have a good, holy, intelligent Jesuit for a spiritual director (though I'm quite happy and thankful for the one I have -- Blessed be God!). I mean, with St. Ignatius and his "Discernment of Spirits"... it'd be so awesome. Discernment should be their "specialty", right?

I'm definitely a [i]little[/i] jealous, vee8. Hopefully, it's only "holy envy"!
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I really think God is spoiling me a bit with him. I mean he can quote the spiritual exercises like I can quote the Simpsons, probably a lot better actually. I agree discernment should be their specialty not hosting zazen seminars and stuff like that.

[Tridenteen]

[quote name='vee8' date='15 January 2010 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1263608017' post='2038055']
I really think God is spoiling me a bit with him. I mean he can quote the spiritual exercises like I can quote the Simpsons, probably a lot better actually. I agree discernment should be their specialty not hosting zazen seminars and stuff like that.
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JMJ
It's awesome having a good confessor, the head of my community quotes Saint Therese of Avila like nuts when it comes to confession. I would like to meet the Pope's confessor, as i am sure he is dynamic [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/priest.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/priest.gif[/img]

[littlesister]

I would suggest being cautious with the "Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary." The last time we were there, one group had apparently come back into communion, while the rest were still separated. It is hard to tell the difference, and their two websites link one into the other. The Diocese of Worcester does not list them, at least that I can find.

An acquaintance of ours was in close contact with the Benedictines of Mary when they were starting out in the Scranton diocese. She told us that they were the ones who had come back from Still River.

[Tridenteen]

[quote name='littlesister' date='16 January 2010 - 08:52 PM' timestamp='1263693163' post='2038848']
I would suggest being cautious with the "Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary." The last time we were there, one group had apparently come back into communion, while the rest were still separated. It is hard to tell the difference, and their two websites link one into the other. The Diocese of Worcester does not list them, at least that I can find.

An acquaintance of ours was in close contact with the Benedictines of Mary when they were starting out in the Scranton diocese. She told us that they were the ones who had come back from Still River.
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JMJ
I have already been in contact with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart. Very nice nuns, but the whole Fr.Feeney thing really just threw me off. I'm sorry, but I just can't get into Feeneyism, so when I talked to the MICM's, and they were telling me about Feenyism and their convent, I realized that they had just said that the Anglican Priests who were burned at the stake in Uganda for refusing to deny Jesus weren't going to make it to Heaven. One group did come back, but they are still Feeneyites, like the other group. Odd though, the group who isn't in Communion is growing steadily, but the ones who are haven't gotten any new postulants, I don't think.

[FSM Sister]

Before you write off the English Mass altogether, do a little research into the Anglican Use Mass - especially in light of the new Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus. I've been attending Anglican Use Mass since 1994 and I love it. (Incidentally, I belong to a teaching order, loyal to the Magisterium... one of the few schools that has DAILY MASS with the students.) We do have TLM on Fridays, OF not EF. That's just enough Latin for me.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

[Freudentaumel]

[quote name='littlesister' date='17 January 2010 - 03:52 AM' timestamp='1263693163' post='2038848']
I would suggest being cautious with the "Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary." The last time we were there, one group had apparently come back into communion, while the rest were still separated. It is hard to tell the difference, and their two websites link one into the other. The Diocese of Worcester does not list them, at least that I can find.

An acquaintance of ours was in close contact with the Benedictines of Mary when they were starting out in the Scranton diocese. She told us that they were the ones who had come back from Still River.
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I think we should be careful not to spread false information about Religious Communites. Both groups in Still River are fully recognized and can be found on the Diocesan Website of Worcester [url=http://www.worcesterdiocese.org/vicar/ReligiousCommunities/tabid/478/Default.aspx]here[/url].
There is a goup in Richmond, NH, which is not recognized; however they are also in full communion, just no recognized (and they don't link to each other).
I'm not a follower of Fr. Feeney's theories and I can fully understand if one would not consider them due to their Feeneyism. However, they are fully recognized order and their position was accepted as a possible Catholic position by the CDF under Cardinal Ratzinger, therefore I think we should be careful before we bring up accusations of being separated from the Church.

Also, the Benedictines of Mary have nothing to do with Feeneyism. IIRC their founder was with the Benedictines in Le Barroux for some time.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='FSM Sister' date='16 January 2010 - 10:09 PM' timestamp='1263697740' post='2038875']
Before you write off the English Mass altogether, do a little research into the Anglican Use Mass - especially in light of the new Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus. I've been attending Anglican Use Mass since 1994 and I love it. (Incidentally, I belong to a teaching order, loyal to the Magisterium... one of the few schools that has DAILY MASS with the students.) We do have TLM on Fridays, OF not EF. That's just enough Latin for me.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]
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Our Lady of Atonement?

[Tridenteen]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='17 January 2010 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1263754376' post='2039160']
Our Lady of Atonement?
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JMJ
I loved Our LAdy of Atonement. When the local Mass got too weird (ie liturgical dancing with a touch of wicca) we would go there. Not to often, though, it was an hour away, and we had a new born. There is a group anglican nuns, Society of All Saints, Sisters of the Poor, if I'm not mistaken. Do they teach? I couldn't figure it out from their website.

[DiscerningSoul]

I love wearing my veil to Mass!

[Thomist-in-Training]

[quote name='FSM Sister' date='16 January 2010 - 10:09 PM' timestamp='1263697740' post='2038875']
Before you write off the English Mass altogether, do a little research into the Anglican Use Mass - especially in light of the new Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus. I've been attending Anglican Use Mass since 1994 and I love it. (Incidentally, I belong to a teaching order, loyal to the Magisterium... one of the few schools that has DAILY MASS with the students.) We do have TLM on Fridays, OF not EF. That's just enough Latin for me.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]
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1. The abbreviation "TLM" means "Traditional Latin Mass" or "Tridentine Latin Mass" and is hence not used to refer to the 'OF' but only to the 'EF.'

2. This is a personal opinion... but I think that recommending the Anglican Use--recommending it as a [i]philosophy[/i], not as a good option in [i]particular situations[/i]--is like saying "If you want to go straight, you could turn right four times." In the 1500s there was the Latin Mass... then Cranmer wrote the Book of Divine Worship and both butchered it and translated it into English... then a few years ago upon the conversion of Anglicans, enough was put back into it to make it Catholic again. To me it makes more sense philosophically either to advise attending the Tridentine Mass, or not.

[i]Practically [/i]speaking, I know Roman Catholics who attend Byzantine Catholic liturgies because they find it more reverent than the Novus Ordo. In that sense I can also understand a Roman Catholic attending an Anglican Use Mass.