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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
IgnatiusofLoyola
I have no problem with that habit, well except for the Peter Pan collar, which I haven't seen since the 60's. We can have postulants wear PPC blue habits and veils, although the Carmelites sometimes have habits which are more elaborate than they appear, so it may not be the identical habit. Personally, I think we should go for as much practicality as possible, although capes are fine, especially if they can be removed when practical.

The Benedictine postulant habit is okay, too, but I agree, any Postulant habit needs a cape and the ears should be covered. I won't get depressed if postulants wear PPC blue, but I still think the novice and professed Habits should be Dominican white, but with PPC blue scapulars, and for professed, a blue band around the veil. This will not be a dour and heavily penitential community, but instead more Marian, and celebrating the joy and blessing of the resurrection. (But with a "bloody" chapel for those who like that kind of thing, and for Good Friday.)

We will do our best to accomodate any Sisters who want to be cloistered. But, just by the fact that cloistered and semi-cloistered and non-cloistered Sisters will be living together as equals, it won't be as "hidden" as a Carmelite community (such as covering faces when takin communion). However, I also see no need to splash our pictures all over the Internet, either. (Heck, I don't even have a Facebook account.) If anything, because we will be unique, some inflexible types will totally disapprove, so I'm not sure we want to call a lot of attention to ourselves. Women who are called to our unique charism will find us.

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IrishSalesian    14
IrishSalesian
[quote name='DameAgnes' date='09 August 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1281401953' post='2154970']
It does seem wrong that the guys can go right into novitiate and habit while the girls have to postulate.
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Just wanted to add that I did have to do a year of pre-novitiate. Granted, not a monastic order, the Salesians, but we still do a 'postulant' year. As do the Salesian Sisters.

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krissylou    360
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I do not wish a veil that covers my face for Communion, on the grounds that I am QUITE clutzy enough under normal circumstances and with this added complication I would undoubtedly trip over something, break my neck, fall face-first into the priest holding the Hosts and send Jesus flying all over everywhere.

:ohno:


If the goal is to increase reverence, I honor that goal but this would seem decidedly counterproductive.

For me.

I applaud people who wish to show greater reverence, find that this is an effective way to do so, and can manage it without threatening life and limb. But I fear I would not be one of them.

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Chiquitunga    817
Chiquitunga
[quote name='krissylou' date='11 August 2010 - 04:44 AM' timestamp='1281519895' post='2155690']If the goal is to increase reverence, I honor that goal but this would seem decidedly counterproductive.[/quote]

No worries .. it's not actually to increase reverence .. but rather to remain hidden :ninja: which is especially important for Carmelites :detective: (which I hope I didn't violate by posting those pictures! Mea culpa!) since they're a bit more visible when they come up for Holy Communion. I believe they flip the outer veil over their faces just as they are going down to kneel for Holy Communion. I imagine the Sisters in Valparaiso decided to have the postulants do this too so they get used to it.

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Chiquitunga    817
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[quote name='Chiquitunga' date='10 August 2010 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1281424107' post='2155127']
Here she is! This is by far my favorite one too! :love: (and my favorite movie!!)

[center][left][img]http://i34.tinypic.com/15xmjd5.jpg[/img]


[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/29c83yq.jpg[/img]
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[/center]And here it is real life! They did such a wonderful job trying to be true to her life in that movie. Most of it was filmed on location too, like the different homes she lived in with her family .. and the actual monastery she was in, which is now a museum .. pictures [url="http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4440942"]here[/url] and [url="http://www.fotolog.com/losandes_chile/48770049"]here[/url] and a [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsbVBB_EJo"]little tour[/url] of it on youtube (not the best quality, but very neat to see!)


[left][img]http://i35.tinypic.com/2hd8cxw.jpg[/img]
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A lot of Carmels still have postulant dresses like this too .. Okay, to be continued! ... :))
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Alright, so another Carmel that has one like this is Brooklyn :) Here I took some still shots from the video on youtube on them (they are mostly in [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFYE3-W9w4"]part 2[/url])

[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/28wm8pf.jpg[/img]


[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/2k31uc.jpg[/img]


Personally, I like theirs the best! (probably because it's most like in the movie ^_^ ) They just wear the simple tie around veil and have black shoes, which I like for postulants. And their habits/veils are my favorite too. Valparaiso's choir/parlour veils are a little different from the original long Spanish ones, and Brooklyn has the rope sandals! :love:

[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/2s5ze60.jpg[/img]


Okay, I'm finished Carmelizing the thread! .. at least, for now! :))

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
IgnatiusofLoyola
[quote name='Chiquitunga' date='11 August 2010 - 01:12 PM' timestamp='1281550335' post='2155869']
Alright, so another Carmel that has one like this is Brooklyn [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] Here I took some still shots from the video on youtube on them (they are mostly in [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFYE3-W9w4"]part 2[/url])




[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/2k31uc.jpg[/img]

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The pictures are lovely. But, the prison-type fencing (which may well be electrical, too) made me sad. Because of the way it is constructed, it is obviously to keep intruders out, not to keep the nuns in, although I fear some anti-Catholics would interpret it the wrong way. Unfortunately, if this picture is in Brooklyn, the monastery has to deal with reality, and do whatever is necessary to protect the enclosure. Still, I find it very sad that intruders would feel the need to break into the nun's privacy, especially when the nuns live a life of poverty and have nothing worth stealing, except their privacy.

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OnlySunshine    4,501
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[quote name='Chiquitunga' date='11 August 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1281550335' post='2155869']
Alright, so another Carmel that has one like this is Brooklyn :) Here I took some still shots from the video on youtube on them (they are mostly in [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFYE3-W9w4"]part 2[/url])

[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/28wm8pf.jpg[/img]


[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/2k31uc.jpg[/img]


Personally, I like theirs the best! (probably because it's most like in the movie ^_^ ) They just wear the simple tie around veil and have black shoes, which I like for postulants. And their habits/veils are my favorite too. Valparaiso's choir/parlour veils are a little different from the original long Spanish ones, and Brooklyn has the rope sandals! :love:

[img]http://i34.tinypic.com/2s5ze60.jpg[/img]


Okay, I'm finished Carmelizing the thread! .. at least, for now! :))
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I believe the Discalced Carmel in Buffalo, NY has the same postulant outfit as Brooklyn was a foundation from Buffalo. Unfortunately, I am having difficulty locating photos. :(

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vee    4,728
vee
[quote name='Chiquitunga' date='11 August 2010 - 01:12 PM' timestamp='1281550335' post='2155869']

Okay, I'm finished Carmelizing the thread! .. at least, for now! :))
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First to Carmelize each thread, then all of VS, then PM, then the WORLD bwhahahahaha! :saint:

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vee    4,728
vee
[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='11 August 2010 - 01:27 PM' timestamp='1281551239' post='2155880']
The pictures are lovely. But, the prison-type fencing (which may well be electrical, too) made me sad. Because of the way it is constructed, it is obviously to keep intruders out, not to keep the nuns in, although I fear some anti-Catholics would interpret it the wrong way. Unfortunately, if this picture is in Brooklyn, the monastery has to deal with reality, and do whatever is necessary to protect the enclosure. Still, I find it very sad that intruders would feel the need to break into the nun's privacy, especially when the nuns live a life of poverty and have nothing worth stealing, except their privacy.
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May I suggest you read verbi sponsa
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccscrlife/documents/rc_con_ccscrlife_doc_13051999_verbi-sponsa_en.html

it's not that long and gives a incredibly beautiful description on the meaning and nature of cloistered life, and to some extent the meaning of the fence.

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
IgnatiusofLoyola
[quote name='vee8' date='11 August 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1281556811' post='2155998']
May I suggest you read verbi sponsa
[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccscrlife/documents/rc_con_ccscrlife_doc_13051999_verbi-sponsa_en.html"]http://www.vatican.v...-sponsa_en.html[/url]

it's not that long and gives a incredibly beautiful description on the meaning and nature of cloistered life, and to some extent the meaning of the fence.
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I have no trouble with the fence at all--I understand completely. Sometimes I wish I, too, had a very high fence around my house.

What I was reacting to was ONLY the barbed wire, etc. at the top. Most pictures of enclosed communities that I have seen have high fences, but I have never seen barbed wire before (or at least I've never noticed it). Perhaps all Carmelite monasteries have barbed wire at the top of their fences, and I didn't realize it.

But, for example, the Summit, NJ Dominicans have a very high fence, but (I don't think) they have barbed wire at the top in order to further protect their privacy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Chiquitunga    817
Chiquitunga
[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='11 August 2010 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1281567633' post='2156156']What I was reacting to was ONLY the barbed wire, etc. at the top. Most pictures of enclosed communities that I have seen have high fences, but I have never seen barbed wire before (or at least I've never noticed it). Perhaps all Carmelite monasteries have barbed wire at the top of their fences, and I didn't realize it.

But, for example, the Summit, NJ Dominicans have a very high fence, but (I don't think) they have barbed wire at the top in order to further protect their privacy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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No, you're right. I believe this is something unique to them because they're in Brooklyn. I've never seen/heard of another Carmel/cloister with barbed wire like this, although I'm sure they're out there. Yes, it does look a bit scary. And they have broken glass on the enclosure wall too. Scroll all the way to the bottom [url="http://www.forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/highland.park/hihghland.park.html"]here[/url].


[quote name='Tridenteen' date='11 August 2010 - 06:39 PM' timestamp='1281569949' post='2156176']
JMJ
I was at the Carmel of Valparaiso. And I looked through the fence....
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:o ... :unsure: ... j j/k! :hehe: .. :detective:


[quote name='vee8' date='11 August 2010 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1281555802' post='2155972']
First to Carmelize each thread, then all of VS, then PM, then the WORLD bwhahahahaha! :saint:
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:D

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Chiquitunga    817
Chiquitunga
[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' date='11 August 2010 - 01:49 PM' timestamp='1281552553' post='2155899'] I believe the Discalced Carmel in Buffalo, NY has the same postulant outfit as Brooklyn was a foundation from Buffalo. Unfortunately, I am having difficulty locating photos. :( [/quote]

No worries .. that's a good problem for Carmelites! :ninja: .. But here are some on youtube! :D who have a postulant dress like this ..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2mniZUap2A[/media]


And I just remembered, I have some pictures saved from a jubilee book of the [url="http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/99"]Carmel of Cristo Rey[/url] in San Francisco (where Valparaiso came from) that was on eBay.

[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/2me68ax.jpg[/img]

I love this picture .. and I love how the statue of Our Lady is behind the glass there .. so beautiful! :love:

[quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1281585576' post='2156317']
JMJ
...but I didn't see any nuns. I did see a John Deere, and a bunch of flowers...and chickens
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:birds:

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TIWW    54
TIWW
Don't know how to insert pictures, but my favorite is the one we wore for the SSND's in the 60's & before, pretty much identical to the one Julie Andrews wore in the sound of music, including the veil. Our dress however, was pleated front & back down from about a 6 inch yoke, We had to pleat our dresses each day once we got out belt on. Amazing what one gets used to, :>)_

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MithLuin    475
MithLuin
I have two great great aunts who were SSND! (And I was taught by them.) But not in the 60s, so I don't even know what their old habit looked like.

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dominicansoul    4,458
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[size="3"][quote name='DameAgnes' timestamp='1281401953' post='2154970']

[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/TheAnchoress/BenedictinesofMaryNovicesandPostulant-1.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='LadyOfSorrows' timestamp='1281424940' post='2155129']
I officially have a habit crush on the Benedictines of Mary.

PS- the postulant looks like the novice just said something shocking!
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[font="Book Antiqua"]She's telling the postulant and the other novice, [b]"I'VE UNCOVERED THE SECRET DOMINICAN SMORES RECIPE!"[/b] [/font][/size]

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Tridenteen    6
Tridenteen
JMJ
I am doing a school project on religious, and am reconstructing an old habit. The wimple (old style, improved) is being made. Would ya'all like to see a picture when it's done? Think Nashville dominican!

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