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#1 Piccoli Fiori JMJ

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 01:53 PM

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This has been on my mind for years now, and looking at the pictures from the Erie, PA Carmel reminded me what I've been meaning to ask: What is up with St. Teresa of Avila's fancy hat? I've always assumed it has something to do with her being a Doctor of the Church, but Therese or Catherine are not shown with this fancy hat. It actually reminds me of the headdress of the queens in a deck of cards. What on earth is it really?

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 03:38 PM

I've often wondered why she is shown with that hat too. She did receive it for becoming the first Doctor of the Church who was a woman. It's called a "Spanish bonete." There is more about it at this link:

Spanish Bonete

In Spain you often can see Teresa of Ávila wearing a black bonete:
The reason therfore is, that she was named in 1970 a Doctor of the Church by Pope Paul VI.


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Posted 23 March 2011 - 03:44 PM

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This has been on my mind for years now, and looking at the pictures from the Erie, PA Carmel reminded me what I've been meaning to ask: What is up with St. Teresa of Avila's fancy hat? I've always assumed it has something to do with her being a Doctor of the Church, but Therese or Catherine are not shown with this fancy hat. It actually reminds me of the headdress of the queens in a deck of cards. What on earth is it really?


It's a pontifical doctoral biretta, because, separately and distinctly from her being declared a Doctor of the Church, the University of Salamanca declared her a Doctor.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 03:59 PM

Id wondered the same thing and yay now i know.

This is the first statue in the world to show St Therese of Lisieux with the same doctoral biretta, except she has it in her hand
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a bit more info about it is here, scroll to the bottom of the page
http://www.portraits.../sculpture2.htm

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 04:06 PM

The only thing Catherine of Siena is depicted with on her head that I could find is the crown of thorns.
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Now we all all three women doctors of the Church in one thread yay!

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 05:46 PM

Id wondered the same thing and yay now i know.

This is the first statue in the world to show St Therese of Lisieux with the same doctoral biretta, except she has it in her hand
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a bit more info about it is here, scroll to the bottom of the page
http://www.portraits.../sculpture2.htm


Wow, I've never seen that depiction of St. Therese before. :)

The only thing Catherine of Siena is depicted with on her head that I could find is the crown of thorns.
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Now we all all three women doctors of the Church in one thread yay!


I like this picture better:

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Looks a little more realistic. ;)

#7 Piccoli Fiori JMJ

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 06:35 PM

I've often wondered why she is shown with that hat too. She did receive it for becoming the first Doctor of the Church who was a woman. It's called a "Spanish bonete." There is more about it at this link:

Spanish Bonete

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Interesting... But why does it look more like a castle on her head in this depiction?
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Posted 23 March 2011 - 06:55 PM

Interesting... But why does it look more like a castle on her head in this depiction?
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I'm not sure. Maybe it's just the way the bonete/biretta looked in those days? :idontknow:

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:06 PM

A friend of mine who was on a nun run to the Carmels of Ada Parnell and Buffalo was told by these sisters that the "hat" indeed is a "doctor of the church" hat. In the pictures below of the chapel in Ada Parnell, they have one of St. Therese wearing one too!


http://i52.tinypic.com/2qvfmds.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/vqnrs7.jpg

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:14 PM

A friend of mine who was on a nun run to the Carmels of Ada Parnell and Buffalo was told by these sisters that the "hat" indeed is a "doctor of the church" hat. In the pictures below of the chapel in Ada Parnell, they have one of St. Therese wearing one too!


http://i52.tinypic.com/2qvfmds.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/vqnrs7.jpg


That's neat that they have a statue of St. Therese with a doctor biretta. She deserves one for her Little Way. :)

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 06:07 AM

I am going to visit the Carmel of Erie and on this page - the 4th picture in - is a statue of St. Therese wearing a biretta too:
http://www.eriercd.org/carmelites3.asp


Also, some more information on that biretta in the last paragraph here http://biretta.askdefine.com/ apparently it originated from St. Teresa of Avila receiving the title of doctor from the University of Salamanca .. and then it's borrowed for St. Therese .. interesting.

There's more about the history of the biretta but this paragraph on St. Teresa says:

"The pontifical doctoral biretta is sometimes seen in depictions of St. Teresa of Ávila, because she was declared a doctor by the University of Salamanca. This recognition is distinct from her status as a Doctor of the Church. The doctoral biretta has been borrowed for depictions of another doctor of the Church, St. Thérèse de Lisieux."

#12 Piccoli Fiori JMJ

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 08:05 AM

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Ah... this is all very interesting! Thanks for answering my question. I can now go on with life satisfied. :like:

Edited by FutureNunJMJ, 24 March 2011 - 08:05 AM.





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