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New charges have recently been filed against the University on counts of illegal discrimination against its Muslim and female students. The allegations are being reviewed by the District of Colombia Office of Human Rights (OHR), which has the strictest discrimination laws in the country. President John H. Garvey and the University is being urged to respond to the charges.

John F. Banzhaf III, the George Washington University Professor of Public Interest Law who initiated the legal controversy surrounding same-sex residence halls, is also the one behind these new charges.
The official allegations claim that CUA, “does not provide space – as other universities do – for the many daily prayers Muslim students must make, forcing them instead to find temporarily empty classrooms where they are often surrounded by Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion,” according to a press release on PRLOG.com.

This formal complaint also maintains that the new same-sex residence halls are particularly discriminating against female students, which is a new position on the same-sex lawsuit that began last month.

Banzhaf claims that the University is denying Muslim students the same benefits that students of other religions are able to enjoy since there is no formal Muslim association sponsored by Catholic University but the Columbus School of Law has an association for Jewish students

The “Muslims” say that there are too many “Christian” or Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion.
THEN WHY ATTEND A PRIVATE CATHOLIC COLLEGE?

[mortify]

Muslims are the biggest whiners. They'd also be the first to limit our liberties if they had they happen to get the upper hand.

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Does anyone else thing this story is a little strange?

[Basilisa Marie]

Of course it's strange. It's the same guy who wanted to sue CUA over same-sex dorms. He's just doing it for the publicity.

John F. Banzhaf III, the George Washington University Professor of Public Interest Law who initiated the legal controversy surrounding same-sex residence halls, is also the one behind these new charges.

It's him doing the suing, not the Muslim students.

Muslims are the biggest whiners. They'd also be the first to limit our liberties if they had they happen to get the upper hand.

I personally believe these kinds of attitudes are abhorrent.

[Socrates]

I personally believe these kinds of attitudes are abhorrent.

Yet accurate.

The Islamists know how to play western politically-correct liberalism like a fiddle.

You can bet your burka these guys wouldn't have any interest in demanding Catholic chapels in Muslim schools.

[Basilisa Marie]

Further proof it's not the students:
http://www.patheos.c...lic-university/

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“Banzhaf has created the perception that it is our Muslim students themselves who are offended by the symbols of Catholicism on our campus, and that they object to the absence of worship space set aside specifically for them,”
university president John Garvey said.: “The fact is that no Muslim student at Catholic University has registered a complaint with the university about the exercise of their religion on campus.”



Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called the crucifix complaint “a non-issue.”
“Muslims pray all the time in various locations,” Hooper told EWTN News. “A Muslim can pray anywhere, practically, from a bus station to a classroom to a cubicle at work.”
Hooper acknowledged that distracting images are present in many locations, but said that they should not prevent Muslims from focusing on their prayers.
“These kinds of things occur every day,” he said.
“Particularly at a Catholic institution, you would assume that there would be Catholic symbols in locations throughout the university.”

Edited by add, 29 October 2011 - 10:38 AM.

[Byzantine]

This entire thing is ridiculous.

[nunsense]

It turns out that no Muslim student has complained - it is all the work of one man...

http://www.christian...kPCcOCw.twitter

[Mark of the Cross]

Yet accurate.

The Islamists know how to play western politically-correct liberalism like a fiddle.

You can bet your burka these guys wouldn't have any interest in demanding Catholic chapels in Muslim schools.

Aren't you doing the same thing? At every mention of Muslims you start whining? Certainly there are imbalances, for example no new churches in Malaysia, so Christians have to convert old buildings. But your total discrimination of a particular group of people based on a distorted view through a donkeys eye is obvious. (reference to an old avatar) The thing you're missing is that Christianity is the truth because of it's teachings of love, fairness and friendship toward each individual rather than a judgement based on an entire group. The gist of the thread is that there are people who will do things to stir up hatred of Muslims. I think it goes without saying that people with even a mediocre level of intelligence should be able to see that, unless they prefer to lie in order to push a wheel barrow.

[musturde]

Muslims are the biggest whiners. They'd also be the first to limit our liberties if they had they happen to get the upper hand.

To be honest, Catholics whine about as much. From studying Islam and Catholicism (though It'd be silly to claim to be an "expert" in either religion), I've found it very amusing that both Muslims and Catholics are so similar and yet know so little about each other. Both of us are the most hated and misunderstood religions in America in my opinion. And to be honest, I wouldn't want any nominally religious person running our government. Politicians, no matter how many times they pray, are still politicians. I hate it when people like Obama or Bush try to convince us that they actually care about God. If they did, they'd choose another line of work.

Edited by musturde, 01 November 2011 - 05:01 PM.

[musturde]

The “Muslims” say that there are too many “Christian” or Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion.
THEN WHY ATTEND A PRIVATE CATHOLIC COLLEGE?

Muslims in some part of the Middle East go to Catholic schools because they tend to provide good education. Their parents could have sent them there, the university may have a good program, or they probably got scholarships. One of my good friends goes to the University of St. Thomas. He was even active with campus ministry at my Catholic high school.

Edited by musturde, 01 November 2011 - 04:53 PM.

[mortify]

The thing you're missing is that Christianity is the truth because of it's teachings of love, fairness and friendship toward each individual rather than a judgement based on an entire group.

Oh so that's the reason!

[add]

Muslims in some part of the Middle East go to Catholic schools because they tend to provide good education. Their parents could have sent them there, the university may have a good program, or they probably got scholarships. One of my good friends goes to the University of St. Thomas. He was even active with campus ministry at my Catholic high school.

the aforementioned lawsuit is a sham, baseless, balderdash... it was started by imbalanced weirdo for giggles, not a Muslim person(s),

LINK: http://www.washingto...CPzZM_blog.html

Catholic University president: ‘Muslim students are welcome’

By Daniel de Vise

Catholic University of America. (Photo by Jeffrey Porter/For The Washington Post.)

Edited by add, 02 November 2011 - 06:04 AM.

[dominicansoul]

i personally think that if these type of muslims were to ever get an "upper hand" here in america, they would probably have devout Catholics as allies... in fact, articles from CUA written by muslims show a great deal of respect for the Catholic church, its teachings on modesty and sex... they find catholic universities safe ground for them... I hope their experience as students will have a lasting impact on them, and perhaps, the Catholic beliefs will ignite a spark in them, and who knows... only God can convert their hearts... but they sure are in the environment to welcome it...

...the guy that is suing uses lawsuits to push his many causes..., he's used to doing this alone, not with the backing of others... he "protests" against what he considers injustices... kind of odd, imho

[Brother Adam]

Aren't you doing the same thing? At every mention of Muslims you start whining? Certainly there are imbalances, for example no new churches in Malaysia, so Christians have to convert old buildings. But your total discrimination of a particular group of people based on a distorted view through a donkeys eye is obvious. (reference to an old avatar) The thing you're missing is that Christianity is the truth because of it's teachings of love, fairness and friendship toward each individual rather than a judgement based on an entire group. The gist of the thread is that there are people who will do things to stir up hatred of Muslims. I think it goes without saying that people with even a mediocre level of intelligence should be able to see that, unless they prefer to lie in order to push a wheel barrow.

Christianity is true because of Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of fairness (Matthew 20:1-16). It has to do with love only in as much as we are talking about Caritas not the fluffy kind that wants to deny sin and false idols, and friendship only as much as we are seeking conversion, which is true love.

[Mark of the Cross]

Christianity is true because of Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of fairness (Matthew 20:1-16). It has to do with love only in as much as we are talking about Caritas not the fluffy kind that wants to deny sin and false idols, and friendship only as much as we are seeking conversion, which is true love.

I think you're talking about something else. Jesus taught to love your neighbour but there is no mention of loving all neighbours equally. If I want to mow the lawn of my left neighbour I don't have to mow the lawn of my right neighbour is essentially what that scripture is teaching. By fairness I meant that if your neighbour doesn't like you then you can ignore him ( treat him as a tax collector). If he wants to kill you then you may use lethal force if necessary to defend yourself. This is fair treatment based on your neighbours attitude.
With regard to deny sin or false idols, I don't know where you picked that up. But If God had wanted us to be angels he would have made us such, instead he made us with defects so that we could learn to overcome them. This is accepting that we are prone to sin, but it is not denying that they are wrong or that we need healing. Do you think God is so silly that he expects us to be pure and sinless? If I build a table I am not expecting it to be a perfect chair. As for false idols all I can say is ??? what?

[Mark of the Cross]

Oh so that's the reason!

Oh Okay, I need to spell things out. It's a reason and a minor one. The main reason is that Jesus is God and is our saviour! Hope that satisfies!

[Socrates]

True Christian charity does not demand that we love error and falsehood, as is found in false religions. Christian charity towards those deceived by the lies of the false prophet Mohammed does not demand that we love Islam anymore than Christian charity to people in North Korea demands that we love Communism.

[Basilisa Marie]

True Christian charity does not demand that we love error and falsehood, as is found in false religions. Christian charity towards those deceived by the lies of the false prophet Mohammed does not demand that we love Islam anymore than Christian charity to people in North Korea demands that we love Communism.

It just seemed like the attitude presented by you was pretty disrespectful. Nostra Aetate, anyone?