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#1 USAirwaysIHS

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:24 PM

http://knowtea.com/?p=1053

Throughout the 1990s, churches experimented with the “seeker-friendly” or “Willow Creek” philosophy of church marketing. One of the underlying premises of this philosophy was, if you want to attract “unchurched” people to your church, then the last thing your church should resemble is–a church. Pulpits had to go, replaced by flimsy music stands that could be removed at a minute’s notice. Baptismal fonts and Communion tables had to be kept sight unseen (only to be brought out for the midweek “believers’ service”: Sunday was reserved for the “unchurched”). Many churches got rid of the choir (as we saw last time) in favor of more showbiz-oriented “worship teams” or “praise teams”. In some cases, the choirs stayed around, although they were usually relegated to the role of background singers for the “stars” on the worship team. But even if the choir escaped the axe, the organ (and the organist) almost never did.
So far, the American church in the 21st century is exploring emergent and missional philosophies. (I realize that these terms are not synonymous, but there is considerable overlap between the two.) One of the encouraging aspects of these current trends is that churches have finally realized that most worshipers are longing for a sense of connectedness to historic Christianity. People want to know that they are part of a larger story: a story that began long before we arrived on the scene and that will continue long after we are gone. Seeker-friendly churches could not deliver the goods in this area. Seeker-friendly worship was extremely tied to its own temporal and geographic context, whereas emergent or missional worship tries to reflect a more global view as well as what Robert Webber called the “ancient-future” outlook. One important element, however, is still largely missing:

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:29 PM

I read a lot of stuff like this and I wonder if it's very US-centric because I've attended several churches in the UK and I never seem to have experienced the same things. For example, all three parishes I variously attend (one on Sundays, one for Daily Mass, one when I'm visiting family) have organs.

#3 USAirwaysIHS

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:31 PM

Yes it is. The evangelical movement is very much an American problem.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:15 PM

I disagree ... but this is in Open Mic not in Debate Table.

Besides ... it's Lent. Don't want this to fuel what it shouldn't fuel :).

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:15 PM

One is allowed to discuss things in open mic. I have heard it said that one is even allowed to have dissenting opinions in open mic.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:18 PM

Yes. Yes. YES!!!!

#7 CatherineM

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

Our seminary just bought an organ for the chapel. It came from a closed Mormon church in Orleans, Ontario. 522 pipes.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:48 PM

Do you happen to know the builder? There are some nice little Cavaillé-Colls in parts of Canada,

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:59 PM

Do you happen to know the builder? There are some nice little Cavaillé-Colls in parts of Canada,

No idea. I know it was originally sold by Casavant Organs. Here's a picture of it:
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

Casavant! What a score for your parish.
I had to think about where I had played a Casavant (and do some digging). It was at First Baptist New Orleans - a joy of an instrument. There is also a sizable Casavant in town at First Baptist Gainesville, but I've neither seen nor heard it (I think they're between organists or something?).

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:52 PM

My parish has a beautiful pipe organ. The first time I heard the organ play it was wonderful you feel the really low notes more than you hear them. The fact that I only get to hear it once a week is another reminder that this time, at Sunday Mass is different, it is sacred.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:53 PM

It's in the Seminary chapel. The one they wanted was half a million new, so they settled for this one. I have always believed in used instruments. I think time makes their sound fuller.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:00 AM

It's in the Seminary chapel. The one they wanted was half a million new, so they settled for this one. I have always believed in used instruments. I think time makes their sound fuller.

Could be.
I know that C.B. Fisk, while an excellent organ builder, charges about $35,000 a rank. Reuter, a good, but not great, builder, charges 20-25,000. Yours is about 10 ranks (give or take), which puts the total for pipes alone at $250,000, let alone things like shipping and customs, and then stuff like installing it, nevermind the other costs like buying the blower and console, which would pretty easily be another 50-60 grand, and the cost for the consultation and design. I could believe that half a million figure pretty easily.
Do you know how much they paid for the Casavant?

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#14 CatherineM

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:09 AM

The final price is supposed to be a secret, but I heard it was around 200.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:31 AM

Not bad.