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[Basilisa Marie]

So...I just found out that CatholicVote endorses Rick Santorum. I'm not quite sure how I feel about this...any thoughts?

[blacksheep]

I personally don't believe we will every have a candidate that will speak for honest american people. They will do what they want, tax who they want, kill who they want, and we are just gonna have to deal with it until the county comes to it's brutal and untimely demise. I will just trust in God to help me get through the craziness.

[Papist]

I'd expect a group/org called CatholicVote endorsing a Catholic.

[Winchester]

CatholicVote is a source of shallow politics based on rhetoric, with zero knowledge of candidate history. The endorsement has as much Catholicity as a Kennedy family reunion.

[Aloysius]

I'd expect a group/org called CatholicVote endorsing a Catholic.

so, did they endorse Newt Gingrich?

and I expect they endorsed John Kerry in 2004, right?

I'm with Winny and Tom Woods--Ron Paul is the real solution for a Catholic who (1) believes in subsidiarity and (2) wants something actually effective done to not just stop the radical pro-abortion direction Obama took, but actually go in the opposite direction towards a truly pro-life culture.

I don't care if a candidate is Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Hindu, Muslim, Secret Muslim, or Athiest--I want a candidate who will enforce the constitutional limits against our federal government and offer radical and effective solutions towards moving towards a pro-life policy and I want you to stop the military industrial complex from continuing to force aggressive wars on us without constitutional limitations.

Edited by Aloysius, 08 March 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[Papist]

so, did they endorse Newt Gingrich?

and I expect they endorsed John Kerry in 2004, right?

I'm with Winny and Tom Woods--Ron Paul is the real solution for a Catholic who (1) believes in subsidiarity and (2) wants something actually effective done to not just stop the radical pro-abortion direction Obama took, but actually go in the opposite direction towards a truly pro-life culture.

I don't care if a candidate is Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Hindu, Muslim, Secret Muslim, or Athiest--I want a candidate who will enforce the constitutional limits against our federal government and offer radical and effective solutions towards moving towards a pro-life policy and I want you to stop the military industrial complex from continuing to force aggressive wars on us without constitutional limitations.

What's your point? All I stated is that I would expect this...and nothing else.

[Aloysius]

I had a couple points to make. 1 was that Santorum actually isn't the only Catholic in the race, because Gingrich is also Catholic, 2 is that we shouldn't endorse someone because of their religion (John Kerry, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi are all Catholic), 3 was that just because Santorum happens to be Catholic doesn't mean his policies are in line with Catholic thinking or that they are wise or prudent.

I was arguing against the endorsement, if your only point was that it was to be expected from an organization like this, then that is a valid point. but I don't expect it from an organization like this because they're a "Catholic" organization, personally I don't see supporting Santorum as a very Catholic thing to do actually, not much more Catholic than supporting John Kerry would've been, anyway.

This is not to say that supporting Ron Paul ought to be the only "Catholic" thing to do either, unfettered markets of the kind he supports have unfailingly been strongly criticized by all the popes since Leo XIII, so there's that running against him; but trying to make it out like Santorum ought to be the Catholic choice, I definitely disagree with. I recommend Catholics supporting Ron Paul so that something actually effective can be done for the pro-life cause, so that something can be done for the pro-peace cause (also a very Catholic cause, despite the neo-con-caths that ignore how just war doctrine does not permit preemptive strikes ever), and we can bring more subsidiarity and thus freedom to our form of government.

Edited by Aloysius, 08 March 2012 - 03:43 PM.

[Papist]

Again, all I said was that I would expect that. I gave no approval or disapproval. Some would be if Newt was endorsed. I really don't understand how my benign little statement warrants such a response.

[Adrestia]

Aloysius,

I think it's okay to disagree with Papist without changing his mind. It's clear that you don't think he should have expected it. That's okay too.

That being said, I agree with you. I live in Ron Paul's congressional district. As a representative, he just stinks - but I still think he would make a better president than any of the contenders.

[qfnol31]

So...I just found out that CatholicVote endorses Rick Santorum. I'm not quite sure how I feel about this...any thoughts?

They've been pushing for him for a while now. See if you can find what Tom Peters has to say on this matter. He's a good guy. I've been following him since he was the American Papist and he and I agree on a lot (at least when we've spoken).

However, their endorsement doesn't really carry much weight if you don't want it to. I've advocated why Newt isn't as bad of a candidate, but I haven't really made up my mind except I want someone who will win in November. If you want to vote in a primary and this matters to you, I'd definitely follow that. If you want the best candidate then Catholicvote's endorsement might have a bit more meaning.

Either way, come this autumn, see whom they endorse. I guarantee you they'll go for the candidate running against our current President.

[Winchester]

Newt's not so bad if you like war.

[Papist]

It just seems[at least lately] that the standard operating procedure is to criticize/knock others posts.

[Winchester]

It just seems[at least lately] that the standard operating procedure is to criticize/knock others posts.

[Papist]

OK

[dUSt]

I don't understand Ron Paul supporters. Doesn't everyone just laugh at him?

[Basilisa Marie]

Interesting.


Rick Santorum is just so...embarrassing. I don't understand how he can say some of the things he says.

I don't understand Ron Paul supporters. Doesn't everyone just laugh at him?

Nah, we just appreciate his consistency, and hope that the nature of the presidency would prevent some of his more radical ideas from taking shape.

[Aloysius]

Papist, I am in no way trying to attack you man. I was just furthering the topic, I didn't make any statements about what I thought you were saying. I don't understand why you're taking it so personally, you said it was expected because he was Catholic, I quoted you to cite other Catholic candidates both current and past, then went further onto more points about this thread's topic; if you don't want to engage my other points that I began talking about at that point, then fine.

but this is kind of a topic about the endorsement of an organization called "Catholic Vote" so you'll have to excuse me for discussing who I think Catholics should endorse and/or vote for... this thread doesn't revolve around you, my points are directed towards the thread's topic, not towards you, and you are free to agree or disagree with them, to argue against them or for them, or to not respond.

dUSt, they have laughed at him, they have ignored him, they have booed him when he suggested following our Divine Savior's Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you) in foreign policy. the powers that be are taking him a bit more seriously now than they were before, because of his delegate strength, so they're trying to ignore him some more. time will tell if he can have a serious influence at all on this election.

Edited by Aloysius, 09 March 2012 - 12:39 AM.

[Era Might]

I don't understand Ron Paul supporters. Doesn't everyone just laugh at him?

Ron Paul pretty much turned me into a CSPAN junkie this year. Everyone laughs at the fools in Shakespeare's plays...too bad the joke's on them.

It's pretty amazing how Santorum has become a real contender. I remember back in like December he was pretty much dismissed as a third-tier candidate, someone just grasping at straws. I thought it was still useful for him to run for president, gives him experience in the process for the future. But, he's certainly proved everyone wrong. Won't get my vote though.

Edited by Era Might, 09 March 2012 - 09:22 AM.

[dUSt]

Maybe I'm just being naive, but Santorum seems like he genuinely believes in the Catholic social issues, including abortion, more than all the other candidates combined--and we consistently hear how abortion is the single most important issue--so... I don't get why he has so many haters here.

I like Santorum. He talks about God more than anyone else. I love God.

[Ice_nine]

Maybe I'm just being naive, but Santorum seems like he genuinely believes in the Catholic social issues, including abortion, more than all the other candidates combined--and we consistently hear how abortion is the single most important issue--so... I don't get why he has so many haters here.

Because no other pro-life president had a friggin plan to stop abortion. Paul would overturn Roe V. Wade, not just spit another vague plan that ends up doing NOTHING in effect, and then it would be taken "to the streets" at a local level.

When I hear Ron Paul talk about abortion he's using his own words to condemn it instead of regurgitating the same pandering rhetoric that any GOP can be trained to parrot back to us.

And who cares how often he talks about God? The WBCers talk about God probably more than anyone else. Quality, not quantity.