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#1 tinytherese

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:16 AM

(It should say council not just coun.)


Overruling one of his parish priests, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna has permitted a homosexual in a registered domestic partnership to serve on a parish council.

Father Gerhard Swierzek, the parish priest of a small parish in the archdiocese, had refused to allow Florian Stangl, 26, to serve on the council. Stangl, who is disabled, had obtained 96 out of 142 votes in a recent parish council election.

The archdiocese had initially backed Father Swierzek, releasing a statement that living in a domestic partnership precludes one from serving on a parish council.

Cardinal Schönborn said that he had initially intended to uphold the priest’s decision--but then, he said, “I ask myself in these situations: How did Jesus act? He first saw the human being.”

Calling his decision “a decision for human beings,” the cardinal recounted that he invited Stangl and his partner to lunch and understood “why the community had given him the most votes, because he is really impressive.”

“This man is at the right place,” the cardinal said of Stangl.

Source http://www.catholicc...m?storyid=13870


Now here's the commentary on the event by canon lawyer Edward Peters.

Sorting out the latest from Vienna


It appears that a small parish in the small town of Stützenhofen (Archdiocese of Vienna) elected an openly-homosexual man (one Stangl), currently living in a civilly-registered partnership, to the parish council. For reasons unknown, none of the candidates for parish council signed statements attesting to acceptance of Church teaching prior to standing for election. The pastor of the parish refused to seat Stangl (who been elected by a large margin), and things went viral from there. The final position of the AOV is not clear yet, though it has indicated that it will not challenge the parish election on “formal grounds” (probably referring to the failure of candidates to have signed the proper attestations before the election).

Some points of canon law: Membership on a parish council (c. 536) seems to qualify as holding “ecclesiastical office” (c. 145). Holding ecclesiastical office (as opposed, say, to participation in the sacraments) is not a fundamental right of the faithful, and ecclesiastical authority has considerable leeway in setting out the qualifications for holding Church office (cc. 145, 148, and 223). To be eligible for ecclesiastical office, one must be “in the communion of the Church” (c. 149 § 1). Full communion with the Church is defined, for juridic purposes, as one’s being “joined with Christ in [the Church’s] visible structure by the bonds of the profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical governance.” One’s assumption or retention of ecclesiastical office can be declared invalid only for reasons “expressly required” by law for valid assumption or retention (c. 149 § 2). Reading the state of an ecclesiastical officer’s soul is not required by canon law (or indeed, by anything in the Catholic tradition), and so cannot serve as the basis for declaring one’s ineligibility for ecclesiastical office.

Now, canon law has been around a long time, but not every institute in canon law has a long tradition of interpretation behind it, nor are the social conditions under which canon law functions always well anticipated in the law. Parish councils, for example, are very new in canon law, and the theoretical bases on which they rest (such as, degrees of lay participation in ecclesiastical governance) are but recent objects of increased doctrinal and juridic study. Meanwhile, militant homosexual activism in general, and the civil recognition of various forms of homosexual unions in particular, are entirely new in Western law and society. How these (and other) factors come together in Church life need careful sorting out. To some degree this sorting out can come about only on a case-by-case basis, and mistakes will inevitably be made, even by people of good will. Mistakes need to be fixed, of course, but, in the meantime, I suggest that, when they occur in novel cases (or seem to have occurred), corrections be offered (c. 212 § 3), not hyperbolic condemnations.

In the present case, cries of Götterdämmerung from the Right (and for that matter, triumphalist shouts from the Left) are premature. + + +

Source http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/sorting-out-the-latest-from-vienna/

Edited by tinytherese, 03 April 2012 - 12:17 AM.


#2 USAirwaysIHS

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:25 AM

(It should say council not just coun.)


Overruling one of his parish priests, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna

You didn't need to post anything more than this.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:02 AM

Ed Peters has hit it on the head, especially quoting Canon 212 § 3 "They have the right, indeed at times the duty, in keeping with their knowledge, competence and position, to manifest to the sacred Pastors their views on matters which concern the good of the Church. They have the right also to make their views known to others of Christ's faithful, but in doing so they must always respect the integrity of faith and morals, show due reverence to the Pastors and take into account both the common good and the dignity of individuals."(emphasis mine) also my favourite Can. 220 No one may unlawfully harm the good reputation which a person enjoys, or violate the right of every person to protect his or her privacy.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

I guess I'm a tad confused by the whole thing. Obviously this man, being openly gay and in a "partnership" with another man, would be a very serious cause of scandal.

I am not sure how it works in parish councils, but I know for religious orders and seminaries, they'll accept you if you had a past-life filled with scandalous sins, so long as you have renounced your sinful ways and can prove you're not doing those things anymore. For example, no seminary in their right minds would let in a man who openly fornicates and who insists on living with his partner after admittance. No cloister would let in a prostitute who planned on still selling herself after taking the habit. Public sexual sin like that doesn't require someone to "read your soul" or anything like that: it's intrinsically wrong, and you CANNOT be considered ignorant as a priest/nun/whatever and still be doing it..

I don't know the individual case of this man, but it seems to me that being "in the communion of the Church" would imply that you are not openly living with your homosexual partner and broadcasting it to the world. Obviously Canon Law doesn't make a point of reading souls, but active and militant homosexuality hardly requires an extensive soul-reading to know that it'll cause scandal.

Edited by arfink, 03 April 2012 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:14 PM

You didn't need to post anything more than this.


I thought we weren't supposed to attack Bishops let alone Cardinals on Phatmass...

(not that I disagree with your statement ;))

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

I thought we weren't supposed to attack Bishops let alone Cardinals on Phatmass...

(not that I disagree with your statement ;))

Who said anything about an attack? If Cardinal Schönborn had a propensity to buy lots and lots of sweaters, would it be an attack to point out that habitual action? He's exhibited a pattern of "progressive" actions, and I was merely expressing my lack of surprise at another action which matches that pattern.
It is, however, a bit disconcerting to me that the Pope has remained quiet on this matter and others...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:15 PM

Who said anything about an attack? If Cardinal Schönborn had a propensity to buy lots and lots of sweaters, would it be an attack to point out that habitual action? He's exhibited a pattern of "progressive" actions, and I was merely expressing my lack of surprise at another action which matches that pattern.
It is, however, a bit disconcerting to me that the Pope has remained quiet on this matter and others...


He has remained quiet publicly but that says nothing about any private conversations or letters he/the Vatican have had with people on such matters.

If I were the Pope I probably wouldn't be publicly rebuking bishops without having serious serious problems like say widespread heresy where private conversations already failed.

As for your comment, I took it as a dig on Card. Schoenborn, but maybe that's just me...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:04 PM

So...I don't really understand all the Canon Law hoopla, so here's my simple question requiring a simple answer:


According to Canon Law, NOT to someone's personal interpretation of the situation, is the Cardinal "doing the right thing"?

#9 Brother Adam

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

As Fr posted: http://canonlawblog....st-from-vienna/

My gut says that no he hasn't done the right thing, once again, we see the good Archbishop making horrid decisions for which history may treat him poorly (some of his decisions the last few years have been not only 'liberal' but downright bizarre). Since Edward Peters isn't confident enough to tell us how canon law will rule, I won't make a guess either, but to have someone living an openly sinful lifestyle openly opposed to Jesus Christ and the Gospel sit on a parish council is like asking Bernie Madoff to run the government financial accountability oversight office while letting him continue his ponzie scheme.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:49 PM

Thinking offhand, I am pretty sure you need to be living an exemplary life to be an extraordinary minister of holy communion. While Parish Council is not the same, I would think it to be similar, and thus have similar character requirements.

Common sense seems to say you would want upstanding people in leadership positions. Why one would want to promote people of openly-ill moral character to leadership positions of church, I fail to understand.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:01 PM

This is troublesome.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:40 PM

If I were the Pope I probably wouldn't be publicly rebuking bishops without having serious serious problems like say widespread heresy where private conversations already failed.

Well, I guess this is where you and I differ, but since neither of us will probably ever be pope, I guess it's moot anyway.