To Ryan and to all Catholics,
I think you are too busy celebrating whatever ‘growth and development’ or ‘new found revelations’ after the traditions (oral or written) was given by the Apostles and their successors ‘the apostles’ to your Church. Nevertheless, I will post whatever teaching your Church is offering to the world so that we can study them - to learn or criticize them –so that, you Catholics in return will be informed. This is what your Church teaches regarding this issue as I understood it.
In the history of humanity, from the very beginning of man’s generation, God ‘make known of himself’ thru revelations by the power of Holy Spirit that is in them. Now, these ‘revelations’ is the one you called ‘traditions’ (oral or written) given by all witnesses and the prophets in the old testament and all witnesses of the new testament like Mary including Jesus Christ himself and all his Apostles (like Peter, John and others) and their successors – the apostles like the writers of the four gospels (i.e. Luke and others).
To summarize it and I will repeat it again, all of these 'previous revelations’ are now called traditions (oral and written) handled-down by the Apostles and their successors to your Church. But the ‘whole revelations about God’ or ‘all truths about God’ are not yet revealed to humanity. Thus, it is not hard to understand the statement of your Dei Verbum that the given tradition ‘develop’ because ‘the understanding of the realities and the words which have been handed down’ grew. (see your Dei Verbum Chapter II).
This is the reason why I informed you, this ‘development and growth’ did not come from the tradition (oral or written) given to your Church by the Apostles but rather, this ‘growth and development’ was the new found revelations given by God thru the power of the Holy Spirit to your Church. (This is what I understand to your Dei Verbum).
Now, in relation to your analysis that this ‘growth and development’ started immediately after Jesus preached, is too far the thought of your Dei Verbum because previous to that paragraph it states ‘
'But in order to keep the Gospel forever whole and alive within the Church, the Apostles left bishops as their successors, "handing over" to them "the authority to teach in their own place."(3) This sacred tradition, therefore, and Sacred Scripture of both the Old and New Testaments are like a mirror in which the pilgrim Church on earth looks at God, from whom she has received everything, until she is brought finally to see Him as He is, face to face (see 1 John 3:2).
8. And so the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved by an unending succession of preachers until the end of time. Therefore the Apostles, handing on what they themselves had received, warn the faithful to hold fast to the traditions which they have learned either by word of mouth or by letter (see 2 Thess. 2:15), and to fight in defense of the faith handed on once and for all (see Jude 1:3).
So, from here, it is very clear that there is a tradition given by them to your Church and then, this tradition is the one ‘develop’ because Dei Verbum states further.
‘This tradition which comes from the Apostles develop in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. (5) For there is a growth in the understanding of the realities and the words which have been handed down’.
Now, if what I just said is not what Dei Verbum is trying to tell to the world and your analysis is the correct one because of the reasons you previously stated like the ‘contemplation and studies of Paul and Mary’ are included in this ‘growth and development’ and it started immediately after Jesus preached. Then, what is that ‘tradition’ mentioned in the above paragraph which was handled-down by the Apostles to your Church If all of them are 'growth and development'.?
Again, if I will analyze your suggestion that ‘growth and development’ started immediately after Jesus preached, are you now saying that the word of Christ itself is the ‘thing’ that undergo this ‘development’ in your Church? To make it clearer, are you now suggesting that your Church did not keep the words of Jesus Christ because you ‘develop’ it?
Please make these things clearer because the world is listening. I will wait for your response otherwise; I will call your Dei Verbum - Die Word. Okay?
If I were you, I will listen to the suggestion of Protestants - grow in the light of the scriptures alone and let God do the rest for your salvation.
Edited by reyb, 05 April 2012 - 06:01 AM.