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[Annie12]

Is the rosary private revelation? I would think that it is but I am writing a paper and need to know for sure. can you also add your sources? Thanks so much!

[cmotherofpirl]

No. It was popularized by St Dominic, not created by him.

http://www.newadvent...then/13184b.htm

[dominicansoul]

St. Dominic!!!

[vee8]

St. Dominic!!!

Edited by vee8, 07 April 2012 - 07:46 PM.

[Annie12]

No. It was popularized by St Dominic, not created by him.

http://www.newadvent...then/13184b.htm

So, it's Public Revelation?

[cmotherofpirl]

Neither.
Revelation closed with the death of he Last Apostle. St Dominic popularized it as stated in the beginning of the article. Further more:

As stated in the link:The custom of reciting prayers upon a string with knots or beads thereon at regular intervals has come down from the early days of Christianity, and is still practised in the Eastern as well as in the Western Church. It seems to have originated among the early monks and hermits who used a piece of heavy cord with knots tied at intervals upon which they recited their shorter prayers. This form of rosary is still used among the monks in the various Greek Churches, although archimandrites and bishops use a very ornamental form of rosary with costly beads. The rosary is conferred upon the Greek monk as a part of his investiture with the mandyas or full monastic habit, as the second step in the monastic life, and is called his "spiritual sword". This Oriental form of rosary is known in the Hellenic Greek Church as kombologion (chaplet), orkomboschoinion (string of knots or beads), in the Russian Church as vervitza (string), chotki (chaplet), or liestovka (ladder), and in the Rumanian Church as matanie(reverence). The first use of the rosary in any general way was among the monks of the Orient. Our everyday name of "beads" for it is simply the Old Saxon word bede (aprayer) which has been transferred to the instrument used in reciting the prayer, while the word rosary is an equally modern term. The intercourse of the Western peoples of the Latin Rite with those of the Eastern Rite at the beginning of the Crusades caused the practice of saying prayers upon knots or beads to become widely diffused among the monastic houses of the Latin Church, although the practice had been observed in some instances before that date. On the other hand, the recitation of the Rosary, as practised in the West, has not become general in the Eastern Churches; there it has still retained its original form as a monasticexercise of devotion, and is but little known or used among the laity, while even the secular clergy seldom use it in their devotions. Bishops, however, retain the rosary, as indicating that they have risen from the monastic state, even though they are in the world governing their dioceses.

[Annie12]

Neither.
Revelation closed with the death of he Last Apostle. St Dominic popularized it as stated in the beginning of the article. Further more:

As stated in the link:The custom of reciting prayers upon a string with knots or beads thereon at regular intervals has come down from the early days of Christianity, and is still practised in the Eastern as well as in the Western Church. It seems to have originated among the early monks and hermits who used a piece of heavy cord with knots tied at intervals upon which they recited their shorter prayers. This form of rosary is still used among the monks in the various Greek Churches, although archimandrites and bishops use a very ornamental form of rosary with costly beads. The rosary is conferred upon the Greek monk as a part of his investiture with the mandyas or full monastic habit, as the second step in the monastic life, and is called his "spiritual sword". This Oriental form of rosary is known in the Hellenic Greek Church as kombologion (chaplet), orkomboschoinion (string of knots or beads), in the Russian Church as vervitza (string), chotki (chaplet), or liestovka (ladder), and in the Rumanian Church as matanie(reverence). The first use of the rosary in any general way was among the monks of the Orient. Our everyday name of "beads" for it is simply the Old Saxon word bede (aprayer) which has been transferred to the instrument used in reciting the prayer, while the word rosary is an equally modern term. The intercourse of the Western peoples of the Latin Rite with those of the Eastern Rite at the beginning of the Crusades caused the practice of saying prayers upon knots or beads to become widely diffused among the monastic houses of the Latin Church, although the practice had been observed in some instances before that date. On the other hand, the recitation of the Rosary, as practised in the West, has not become general in the Eastern Churches; there it has still retained its original form as a monasticexercise of devotion, and is but little known or used among the laity, while even the secular clergy seldom use it in their devotions. Bishops, however, retain the rosary, as indicating that they have risen from the monastic state, even though they are in the world governing their dioceses.

The link is helpful but I thought that private revelation is anything that comes after the death of the last apostle. Therefore, the rosary would be considered private Revelation... unless it wasn't revealed....hhhhhmmmmmm...(I'm thinking out loud)

[cmotherofpirl]

The link is helpful but I thought that private revelation is anything that comes after the death of the last apostle. Therefore, the rosary would be considered private Revelation... unless it wasn't revealed....hhhhhmmmmmm...(I'm thinking out loud)

There are NO revelations after the death of St. John. None. The rosary is not a revelation.
4. Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son" (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18). Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." (3) He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal.
The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13)

[the171]

It was a practice of prayer created by peasants... I was taught that. Then Our Lady appeared to St. Dominic and it evolved from there. Known as "The Poor Man's Breviary"

The apparition was private revelation, the original devotion was a common practice.

[dominicansoul]

St. Dominic!!!!

[the171]

St. Simon Stock!!!

[Annie12]

So, I was using this website and they talk about public and private Revelation.I was just wondering if the rosary falls into one of those categories. I'm pretty sure you answered my question though.

http://www.ewtn.com/...PTUR/PRIPUB.TXT

[the171]

Dominicans and Carmelites go hand in hand!! Rosary + brown scapular=perfection!!

[vee8]

Dominicans and Carmelites go hand in hand!! Rosary + brown scapular=perfection!!

[the171]

*cough* awkward *cough*

[vee8]

ds stop hijacking this Rosary thread

171 yeah I know, its hard to make the OPs feel like theyre important

[the171]

I'm trying my hardest...

[the171]

Being close to Carmel is the only way Doms can be important.. Hahahha!