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#1 FuturePriest387

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:37 PM

*Note* I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post this kind of stuff on here, but I need help.

Basically, I need someone to help me with algebra. But it seems to me that, despite looking at videos that claim they make it all "crystal clear", by the end it is like looking into a moat, just as before. I have always been a person that needed someone to show me how to do something complicated in person, show me what to do, show me what to do a few more times after that, and then coach me step-by-step as I try a few problems myself. When I try to read step-by-step explanations in books, it is as if I am reading Latin (Which is in fact easier to read!), and it never helps. I got help from a very nice person on this site, but it seems it is simply not enough, though this is not her fault, but mine. I am starting to panic as I cannot enter Seminary without my GED, and if I cannot even grasp basic algebra, how am I supposed to even dream of doing advanced algebra, let alone do the insane things the professors put Seminarians through because they have a sick and twisted humor? I know this thread may seem pointless because, as stated, I need someone to teach me in person, but I need to vent for a moment. I will most certainly share these worries of mine to my spiritual director during our first meeting, but since I do not know when or even where that meeting is going to take place, I have decided to take it here in the meantime. Any input, or better yet a person so smart at algebra even someone like me can understand? My dad said he will help me tomorrow and will explain it to me, but this might not result the way I would like it to. He is good at math, but he is very hyper and goes really quick so I do not follow him very well.

To answer a possible future question that may be asked in order to understand and help me (If you should be so brave to choose such a perilous task), no, I do not have any learning disabilities.

Edited by FuturePriest387, 08 April 2012 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

I use a lot of Khan Academy, but like you mentioned "you have no need for more links"

if you send me a message I will attempt to help you, but I must warn you, I am no master.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:41 PM

I use a lot of Khan Academy, but like you mentioned "you have no need for more links"

if you send me a message I will attempt to help you, but I must warn you, I am no master.


I do too. Unfortunately, the video did not help me. He shows you how to do it, but when you click "Practice Concept" it looks totally different and if you do it the way he told you to it says you're wrong. If not even Sal Khan can help me, who on earth can?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:46 PM

I'm about to tutor the GED once a week.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:54 PM

I'm about to tutor the GED once a week.


That is interesting. Since you are a tutor, do you know if there are high pass rates for the math section?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:57 PM

*Note* I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post this kind of stuff on here, but I need help.

Basically, I need someone to help me with algebra. But it seems to me that, despite looking at videos that claim they make it all "crystal clear", by the end it is like looking into a moat, just as before. I have always been a person that needed someone to show me how to do something complicated in person, show me what to do, show me what to do a few more times after that, and then coach me step-by-step as I try a few problems myself. When I try to read step-by-step explanations in books, it is as if I am reading Latin (Which is in fact easier to read!), and it never helps. I got help from a very nice person on this site, but it seems it is simply not enough, though this is not her fault, but mine. I am starting to panic as I cannot enter Seminary without my GED, and if I cannot even grasp basic algebra, how am I supposed to even dream of doing advanced algebra, let alone do the insane things the professors put Seminarians through because they have a sick and twisted humor? I know this thread may seem pointless because, as stated, I need someone to teach me in person, but I need to vent for a moment. I will most certainly share these worries of mine to my spiritual director during our first meeting, but since I do not know when or even where that meeting is going to take place, I have decided to take it here in the meantime. Any input, or better yet a person so smart at algebra even someone like me can understand? My dad said he will help me tomorrow and will explain it to me, but this might not result the way I would like it to. He is good at math, but he is very hyper and goes really quick so I do not follow him very well.

To answer a possible future question that may be asked in order to understand and help me (If you should be so brave to choose such a perilous task), no, I do not have any learning disabilities.


Almost everyone here has studied basic Algebra and a fair number have training in college level maths. Why not just post what confusions you have here and see who is willing to explain it to you?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:02 AM

Almost everyone here has studied basic Algebra and a fair number have training in college level maths. Why not just post what confusions you have here and see who is willing to explain it to you?


Well, I just need someone to explain the very basics to me. I know about variables and constants and what-not, but I need to figure out how to do the process and why it works. I am looking at a video that may help, I am not sure. I'll tell you how it goes after I watch all of it.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:03 AM

You don't need algebra. Just quote Lysander Spooner at your teacher.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:11 AM

So, again, the video made tons of sense, but when I pressed "Practice Concept" it looked totally different and confused me.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:17 AM

To make it clear, the video showed an algebra equation that said "7 x = 14". Obviously, this was easy to read, as this is saying "7 times 2 = 14". He explained how to do equations like this one even when they were way more complicated. However, when I pressed "Practice Concept" it said this: "Take the quantity -5 times x, and then add -2" Um... what? Does that mean negative five and negative 2? I'm just not sure. It never said anything about this in the video. The equations look totally different on the videos than when you practice them, as you can obviously see.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:20 AM

Just wait till you get to Calculus...talk about a headache.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:41 AM

Algebra II hurts enough, but Calculus will get you out of purgatory. Geometry is a breeze though! Don't worry about that class!

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:41 AM

it said this: "Take the quantity -5 times x, and then add -2" Um... what? Does that mean negative five and negative 2? I'm just not sure. It never said anything about this in the video. The equations look totally different on the videos than when you practice them, as you can obviously see.


What was the original equation?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:43 AM

I'M A BEAST WHEN IT COMES TO ALGEBRA I NOW! Last year, not so much. But geometry cleared it up. I want to solve math problems!!! Let me help!! Hahahha

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:44 AM

What was the original equation?


What original equation? It just said "Take the quantity -5 times x, and then add -2", and that's it. It doesn't say anything else. If you click "Give me a hint" it just says confusing stuff that only makes it worse. It might as well say "Take the quantity of cows and then add the moon". It makes absolutely no sense at all.

Edited by FuturePriest387, 09 April 2012 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:47 AM

I'M A BEAST WHEN IT COMES TO ALGEBRA I NOW! Last year, not so much. But geometry cleared it up. I want to solve math problems!!! Let me help!! Hahahha


Now now, no need to beg. By all means, try to do the impossible and explain this to me.

Just wait till you get to Calculus...talk about a headache.


Gee, you're really helping with this whole anxiety problem of mine. :P

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:01 AM

What original equation? It just said "Take the quantity -5 times x, and then add -2", and that's it. It doesn't say anything else. If you click "Give me a hint" it just says confusing stuff that only makes it worse. It might as well say "Take the quantity of cows and then add the moon". It makes absolutely no sense at all.


I mean what was the context within which that statement occurred? Maybe if you provided a link that would help.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 04:25 AM

Miles,

I'm not a math nerd -- far from it! But i can understand and relate to your problem, and I may be able to help in a different way.

I really struggled in high school with math. I didn't know I had a learning disability that hit me strongest in math until I was in my late 20's. I could work around language stuff, but I couldn't get the basics of the algebra down for the LONGEST time, and I didn't know I was reversing things, and doing other things that muddied the waters. But I did know I hated math and was terrified of it... so I identify with your frustration...

Part of the problem was that I couldn't explain my problem, so it was really hard to get any help! I felt like an idiot! But I knew I wasn't. Back then there weren't any on-line videos (well, there wasn't any on-line!), so all I could do was work through work books on my own and pray for a miracle.

God did send me that miracle... but not in the way I expected.

I didn't have any plans to go to college, but God intervened.... like you with the GED, I needed to at least start college and be doing OK to go forward with what God wanted me to do. That meant I had to pass an 'elementary math' test at colllege. Once I had that taken, it won me the right to take another math class. Lovely.

I was so tempted to give up... but God and I worked out a plan. This is what I did... maybe some of it will help.

Learning math is really like learning reading. if someone doesn't know how to read letters, or how to break a word into syllables, it is almost impossible to learn to read harder books. In the same way, trying to do algebra if you are missing some of the steps will be really hard.

I realized that part of my problem was that I was missing some really basic math concepts I should have learned years before. You may find that part of the problem is that you are missing some basic steps... you will have to look into that for yourself.

First, I got hold of a 'diagnostic test' for basic arithmetic and gave it to myself. (They have some in study work books for lkids) If you feel you can talk to a teacher or someone who tutors people, they will be able to help you find some of these. You want to find a test that will help you pinpoint what areas you are missing.

I was in my late 20's.... and it was humbling to have to face that while I might read at a college level, my math really was at about 4th grade level. I knew some of it - but my math-mind was like a swiss coagulated milk with a lot of holes. But I needed to pass that test, and I knew that I needed to pass it to get on with what God wanted me to do. OK, that helped. It was the reality; this was what God's will for me looked like TODAY..

I started back with the 4th grade math work books and started doing the problems. No I am not kidding. I played with flash cards. I did what I needed to do to get down the stuff I missed. Learned decimals and fractions. Some of it I got fast... other stuff was really frustrating, and I wanted to toss the books across the room a lot of times (ok, truth - I DID toss them a lot of times!)(and cried and screamed when I was by myself sometimes!) But I found that as I worked on my math, my patience and humility grew... and I was becoming more confident. As I worked on my math, I got the miracle I sought. I learned to push myself lovingly, but to not push too hard. But I learned to recognize my own frustration signals... when I needed to stop... to go for a walk, get a drink, and come back to it and be patient with myself as I learned to do the problems step by step. It took time, but slowly I started to get it. I started to understand the new language. I practiced the discipline - the penance really! - of doing 1 hour of arithmetic... and later algebra... and geometry... every day. Even on vacations and Christmas!!!! It was frustrating, but I kept it up, and I offered my 'homework' to God as a gift... and targeted souls to pray for. Would not have been the penance I would have chosen for myself, but it proved a good one for me!!!

Sometimes I got frustrated. I learned that the thing to do was to go back a step. It was hard, it was humbling, but I could see progress. Pretty soon -- in just a few months! -- I was up to 8th grade level! I celebrated--I had just passed 4 grades in 1 year! Wheee! At 29 I was finally where I should have been at 13--but it was progress!

Then it was time to tackle Mt. Algebra. Oh joy! The first thing I learned was that I needed to SLOW DOWN even further!!!! Why? Because now I was working in new territory.... and if I tried to take any short cuts, or go forward when I wasn't sure, I would miss something. I never got great at math, but I learned what I needed to to pass the test I needed to pass. Took me a year, but I did it.

Truth time -- Like 171, I liked geometry better, and chose college math that built on that strength! You'll figure out where your strengths are as you work the problem. You'll even learn that if you know how to do MOST of the problems, you can skip a few and still get a good enough grade to pass. There are some problems I know I don't get... and I don't stress over them.

I never thought I would go to college -- much less graduate school! When God made it clear I needed the graduate school degree - I had to do statistics. Oh no..... but you know what.... what I had learned about slowing down, writing down every step, practicing, got me through my stats class, too. And I think you can do this.

(I know you don't think you'll want to go to college, but God may have some surprises for you.... and he certainly wants you to tackle the GED, right?)

Now.... If I were a little devil, I'd try to tell you it was hopeless, and that God didn't love you, and that you'll never make it through your test and that means you'll never make it into the seminary. And you know what.... that devil would have fun doing it to you, 'cause he's a mean little devil. But they lie, and they tell you half truths... and that is what that fear is. The REAL truth is that you don't have to do anything today more than just spend some time on one math problem.... and that is what God's will looks like today. You don't even have to get the answer right... you just need to try to do it for love of God. And you'll scare him back if you laugh at him and tell him that you are happy to do this math problem for some soul that needs the graces. So don't let some silly devil scare you. God will see you through if you can learn to trust Him enough to do it one day at a time.

So, yes, this about Math... but it is about a whole lot more. Good stuff to talk about with your new director, too!

I'm praying for you... and I think you can do this.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 04:51 AM

I won't be entering that order if there is such a requirment ever,well possibly in heaven mathmatics is easier without any sin,Unless there is some kind of spectacular miracle in my life. I needed 1 on 1 coaching for maths in year 8 and i advanced quickly from c class to b class.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 05:18 AM

Would it be possible to ask your parents to find you a math tutor or hs class? My daughter struggled trying to do algebra on her own. HSdad tried to help, (he used to be a math teacher), but he was pretty busy and inconsistantly available. She's in a homeschool math class and it's made a world of difference.