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[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

Pax domini brethren,sympathiesers and others...
I have heard around the way that there may be a holy pride,holy anger and even a holy envy. I say no i will try and answer why. If my son (though i don't have one) becomes the number 1 goal kicker in his under 15s soccer team i should be glad for him but not proud because my understanding of pride is if i am proud of him i am worshipping a false idol that at any given day can fail miserably.Which opens me up to serious injury and despair.Where as if i'm just glad for my sons prowess on the soccer field but understand it is only the soccer field and there is a more serious of game of chess for him to win against the devil and it's legions. Once again my example is probably a most stupid one, but again some say there is a holy envy which drives us to advance in virtue,again i should just be glad for the persons prowess in such and such a virtue as gifted by God and i should give thanks to God for there gift. Please forgive my simplicity on these matters. And it goes on,holy anger,holy sloth (eyes popping out,"the what now", holy sloth lol.) And plus the holy word of God states the Spirit can not dwell where sin abounds or something like that, hence why we must be confessed if in a state of mortal sin before recieving the holy eucharist,coz otherwise it would be like giving a dead man bread (a priest told my friend that.)
Okay i hope this can start some debate(hopefully not heated.) Because i do see the debate for pro holy to some of the deadly sins like jesus in the temple (holy anger.) and Being proud of the sacrifice of our LORD and saint paul states "if one is to boast he is to boast in the LORD." biblicaly and personal experience of the LORD working through ones life i guess. And he also states another time if he is to boast otherwise "it will be of anothers virtue and good works." Words to that effect anyhow but that may just be gladness for others and not pride. I don't know that why i have started this topic. Enjoy it.

Onward christian souls.
God Bless ye all.
Jesus is LORD.
JC "seek and ye shall find." "knock and the door will be opened."

[Papist]

Being proud of your son's legitimate achievements is not sinful. It is important to not add to his achievements more than what is there. Remain humble and don't gloat/brag.

[CatherineM]

Some would say that St. Clare sinned by disobeying her father and becoming a nun which is holy.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

Jesus did too than in disobeying his earthly parents but he was obeying his heavenly father,so possibly is the same in becoming a priest or other religious.And jesus' can't sin by the way

Edited by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye, 17 April 2012 - 05:51 AM.

[fides' Jack]

The seven capital sins only cover sins.

Not all pride is sinful. Not all envy is sinful. Not all anger is sinful.

All lust is sinful. All sloth is sinful. All greed is sinful.

Gluttony is a little harder to determine. How much is too much?

[FuturePriest387]

Pax domini brethren,sympathiesers and others...
I have heard around the way that there may be a holy pride,holy anger and even a holy envy. I say no i will try and answer why. If my son (though i don't have one) becomes the number 1 goal kicker in his under 15s soccer team i should be glad for him but not proud because my understanding of pride is if i am proud of him i am worshipping a false idol that at any given day can fail miserably.Which opens me up to serious injury and despair.Where as if i'm just glad for my sons prowess on the soccer field but understand it is only the soccer field and there is a more serious of game of chess for him to win against the devil and it's legions. Once again my example is probably a most stupid one, but again some say there is a holy envy which drives us to advance in virtue,again i should just be glad for the persons prowess in such and such a virtue as gifted by God and i should give thanks to God for there gift. Please forgive my simplicity on these matters. And it goes on,holy anger,holy sloth (eyes popping out,"the what now", holy sloth lol.) And plus the holy word of God states the Spirit can not dwell where sin abounds or something like that, hence why we must be confessed if in a state of mortal sin before recieving the holy eucharist,coz otherwise it would be like giving a dead man bread (a priest told my friend that.)
Okay i hope this can start some debate(hopefully not heated.) Because i do see the debate for pro holy to some of the deadly sins like jesus in the temple (holy anger.) and Being proud of the sacrifice of our LORD and saint paul states "if one is to boast he is to boast in the LORD." biblicaly and personal experience of the LORD working through ones life i guess. And he also states another time if he is to boast otherwise "it will be of anothers virtue and good works." Words to that effect anyhow but that may just be gladness for others and not pride. I don't know that why i have started this topic. Enjoy it.

Onward christian souls.
God Bless ye all.
Jesus is LORD.
JC "seek and ye shall find." "knock and the door will be opened."

Mother Angelica said there is a good pride. Not all pride is sinful. However, taking pride too far is. She was understandably proud of her network, and you can be understandably proud of your fifteen-year old son.

[Groo the Wanderer]

Gluttony is a little harder to determine. How much is too much?

Three slices of pizza AFTER the button on your jeans pops off...


and there is a diff between being proud and being prideful

Edited by Groo the Wanderer, 17 April 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[fides' Jack]

Yes - I think that's what I was trying to convey.

[MIkolbe]

The seven capital sins only cover sins.

Not all pride is sinful. Not all envy is sinful. Not all anger is sinful.

All lust is sinful. All sloth is sinful. All greed is sinful.

Gluttony is a little harder to determine. How much is too much?

All gluttony is sinful.

What you mean to say is that it is difficult for you to 'see' in others; while the others aren't.

The person being gluttonous knows he/she is being gluttonous the same way they know they are being lustful, angry, slothful..etc...

Jesus did too than in disobeying his earthly parents but he was obeying his heavenly father,so possibly is the same in becoming a priest or other religious.And jesus' can't sin by the way

Jesus never sinned.

[fides' Jack]

All gluttony is sinful.

What you mean to say is that it is difficult for you to 'see' in others; while the others aren't.

The person being gluttonous knows he/she is being gluttonous the same way they know they are being lustful, angry, slothful..etc...

I'm sure you're right, but I don't know what you're saying.

Honestly, I don't know where to draw the line for myself about where I'm being gluttonous. I know I am, because I eat way too much fast-food, but I don't know how much is too much.

I would agree that all gluttony is sinful, but I think gluttony itself is hard to pinpoint.

All the others I can see pretty clearly. Usually.

[MIkolbe]

maybe it is something you need to work on.

God be with you.

[cmotherofpirl]

I'm sure you're right, but I don't know what you're saying.

Honestly, I don't know where to draw the line for myself about where I'm being gluttonous. I know I am, because I eat way too much fast-food, but I don't know how much is too much.

I would agree that all gluttony is sinful, but I think gluttony itself is hard to pinpoint.

All the others I can see pretty clearly. Usually.

I agree about the gluttony part, it is hard to pinpoint. Is it when you MD says go on a diet? Your wife? When you stand up straight, glance down and you can no longer see your feet? Or when you are eating because something tastes so go you keep stuffing yourself? What if you eat healthy but simply way too much? Would you call Chesterton a glutton?

[fides' Jack]

That's for sure...

And with your spirit. Although... now that I think about it... isn't there something about the phrase "God be with you" that means that only priests should say it? Maybe that's only during Mass...

[fides' Jack]

Back on topic: I was told growing up that in heaven, we won't need to eat (having immortal bodies), but we will anyway just for the pleasure of it. Raises some interesting questions...

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

my previous parish priest told me if your hungry you can eat,but if you eat for eating sake your gluttonising it. I don't eat a huge amount but a sunday feast after holy mass surely is celebratiry eating and not gluttony when only once a week.Which of course doesn't work with lust.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

i'm glad you wen't off topic a

That's for sure...

And with your spirit. Although... now that I think about it... isn't there something about the phrase "God be with you" that means that only priests should say it? Maybe that's only during Mass...

Am glad you wen't slightly off topic,in one of the letters of the new testament i recently read and it says where not to say 'God speed' to someone whom is outside of the faith. I struggle examining why and came to this conclusion that it can encourage them in there sinfullness and somone whom is in delusion may even think wow great God is blessing me in my mis-behaviour. Like as if God is okay with there irrepentance. But than i had a friend say to me "surely in secret it is okay." and i agree in my personal prayer i can ask God to bless someone and is not directly telling them incase there delusional and god forbid think that there dishonesty is blessed by GOD.


Okay back to the topic... I still think all sin is lethal, in moderation will kill you slowly in excess it will kill you faster,my reasoning is simple '1 drop of arsnic a week won't kill instantly but 10 will.' But on the gluttony for food front a good feast once a week is healthy and not gluttony as far as i'm aware and is of a different class,wheras getting blind drunk once a week may very well be.

Onward christian souls.
Jesus is LORD

Edited by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye, 17 April 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[Groo the Wanderer]

if you feel like spewing or are really uncomfortable because you are too full...ya crossed the line.


i have a huge problem with this

[cmotherofpirl]

if you feel like spewing or are really uncomfortable because you are too full...ya crossed the line.


i have a huge problem with this

I grew up in a household where food was scarce, and if something good showed up, you ate as much as you could get of it, cause sooner rather than later you would be hungry again. Old childhood habits can be had to break.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

I grew up in a household where food was scarce, and if something good showed up, you ate as much as you could get of it, cause sooner rather than later you would be hungry again. Old childhood habits can be had to break.

Yes,good understanding of a rainbow that isn't so black and white, gracious thanks. Hard but not immpossible with grace

[Ice_nine]

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