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[FuturePriest387]

This is a message sent to me by Eugene Delgaudio. Read it and weep. I know I did...

Miles,

This is an outrage.

It is being reported right now that the “gay pride” rainbow flag was flown above an operating U.S. military base in Afghanistan.

That’s right, the radical Homosexual Lobby is trying to claim dominance over our troops fighting over seas!


<img alt="Rainbow Flag flies above U.S. base inAfghanistan" height="350" width="400" />


The very idea that any American would be pleased by this disgusting display and breach of the military’s procedures is beyond me -- but the Homosexual Lobby is praising this story for all its worth.

It doesn’t matter to them that the majority of men and women serving in uniform are utterly appalled by the Homosexual Agenda.

This incident is a direct result of the Homosexual Lobby’s skyrocketing influence in military affairs -- starting with the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

Soldiers are not allowed to speak up against pro-homosexual displays without risking punishment.

And worst of all, while Obama instantly apologized for the accidently burning of Korans, he has not said one word against the despicable flight of the homosexual flag over a military base.

My friend, this is their vision for our future:

One nation, bound in sin, obedient to the Homosexual Agenda.

Thankfully this incident is under investigation, but the lack of outrage from leadership in the military or the White House is a troubling indicator that they will let this violation of the military pass.

Pro-Family Americans have to let the establishment know that we demand better.

For the Family,


Eugene Delgaudio
President, Public Advocate of the United States

[Hasan]

First of all, the individual who allegedly raised the flag is heterosexual. So much for your dippoo's claim that this is the work of the insidious homosexual lobby. Secondly the rights of soldiers, even those nasty gay ones, while rightly more restricted than those of civilians, are not determined by a majority vote of their fellow soldiers. Thirdly, there is widespread support for or indifference to the presence of gays in the military according to the DoD's own research. Fourthly, this act, even if it did occur, is NOT a violation of military law for an individual soldier to do this, according to the DoD.

http://www.stripes.c...nistan-1.173788

http://www.dailymail...fghanistan.html

Finally, it is interesting that a young machismo like yourself to admitted to 'weeping' over an article.


Do pushups until you can stop crying.

Edited by Hasan, 17 April 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[FuturePriest387]

First of all, the individual who allegedly raised the flag is heterosexual. So much for your dippoo's claim that this is the work of the insidious homosexual lobby. Secondly the rights of soldiers, even those nasty gay ones, while rightly more restricted than those of civilians, are not determined by a majority vote of their fellow soldiers. Thirdly, there is widespread support for or indifference to the presence of gays in the military according to the DoD's own research. Fourthly, this act, even if it did occur, is NOT a violation of military law for an individual soldier to do this, according to the DoD.

http://www.stripes.c...nistan-1.173788

http://www.dailymail...fghanistan.html

Finally, it is interesting that a young machismo like yourself to admitted to 'weeping' over an article.


Do pushups until you can stop crying.

I have no problem if gay men are in the military. But they shouldn't be allowed to go preaching everywhere they go about how wonderful it is to be gay and how you have to accept them. You don't see me going around telling people how wonderful it is to be straight. I'm too busy speaking about how wonderful it is to be Irish to even have the time to talk about that.

Men weep. Jesus did.

[Hasan]

I have no problem if gay men are in the military. But they shouldn't be allowed to go preaching everywhere they go about how wonderful it is to be gay and how you have to accept them. You don't see me going around telling people how wonderful it is to be straight. I'm too busy speaking about how wonderful it is to be Irish to even have the time to talk about that.

And that doesn't apply here as the individual in question is straight. Even if he were he has a right to talk about being gay if he wants to and the article you posted was completely disingenuous.

Men weep. Jesus did.

People didn't have push-ups back then. Fortunately for you, they do now.

[FuturePriest387]

And that doesn't apply here as the individual in question is straight. Even if he were he has a right to talk about being gay if he wants to and the article you posted was completely disingenuous.



People didn't have push-ups back then. Fortunately for you, they do now.

I admit nothing and deny all of this. I accuse you of being a person.

[fides' Jack]

The sand. Duh!

[FuturePriest387]

The sand. Duh!

It took me twenty minutes to realize what you were saying.

[she_who_is_not]

Radical homosexual lobby? Really?

[FuturePriest387]

Radical homosexual lobby? Really?

Really.

[HisChildForever]

Radical homosexual lobby? Really?

Da gayz are comin' fer u.

[kujo]

But [gays] shouldn't be allowed to go preaching everywhere they go about how wonderful it is to be gay and how you have to accept them.

First off, I'd venture to say that there are very few gayvangelists, spreading "the good news" about being gay. That's not happening. So strawman for you.

Secondly, we do have to accept them. Because their life doesn't affect yours. At all. In really any tangible way, especially given the fact that you are a) not a soldier and b) a homeschooled child.

You don't see me going around telling people how wonderful it is to be straight.

I bet if I dug through this phorum, I could find ample examples of you reviling homosexuality as being "against natural law."

[kujo]

Is anyone else--of any political and religious bent-- sick and tired of the "clash of civilizations" rhetoric used in this country in regards to gay people? I mean, you can have any opinion you want on their lifestyle, but really, who gives a croutons? It's none of your business what they do.

[FuturePriest387]

First off, I'd venture to say that there are very few gayvangelists, spreading "the good news" about being gay. That's not happening. So strawman for you.

Secondly, we do have to accept them. Because their life doesn't affect yours. At all. In really any tangible way, especially given the fact that you are a) not a soldier and b) a homeschooled child.



I bet if I dug through this phorum, I could find ample examples of you reviling homosexuality as being "against natural law."

This affects society, and society affects me.

I'm not sure about the "gayvangelist" thing. I know one gay man personally that is annoyingly gung-ho about it. My friend Daniel went to KU and he said gay pride is everywhere. Everyone is wearing the shirts, talking about how great it is, and just basically supporting it.

I would be willing to bet you can't since I have not talked about this subject. However, my thoughts on it are what the Church's thoughts are about it. It's sinful, it's disordered, and it's not good for me or for the parties involved. But I'm going to avoid debate as I don't like debating anyway.

Edited by FuturePriest387, 17 April 2012 - 12:43 PM.

[HisChildForever]

Is anyone else--of any political and religious bent-- sick and tired of the "clash of civilizations" rhetoric used in this country in regards to gay people? I mean, you can have any opinion you want on their lifestyle, but really, who gives a croutons? It's none of your business what they do.

I'm concerned with the bullying.

[kujo]

This affects society, and society affects me.

So, anything that affects anyone affects you, because everyone is part of society, and you are a member of the same society. Did I get your logic right? I just wanna know before I go into another bout of hysterics that earns me another pillow to the face from Amanda, who's in a Benadryl-induced coma right now.

(BTW, how are you a member of society? You are homeschooled, so you don't interact with children your own age at school. Do you have a job? Are you a part of any clubs or sports teams? I mean other than Church stuff. Because that doesn't really count--you're not really dealing with "society" there, just a bunch of like-minded folks.)

I'm not sure about the "gayvangelist" thing. I know one gay man personally that is annoyingly gung-ho about it. My friend Daniel went to KU and he said gay pride is everywhere. Everyone is wearing the shirts, talking about how great it is, and just basically supporting it.

First off, you're ignorance is giving me an ulcer.

Second, you know "one gay man" who is "annoyingly gung-ho" about....what? Being gay? Like, him being gay, or trying to convert YOU to be gay? How is he "gung-ho?"

Third, what is "gay pride" to you? And to your "friend" Daniel, who says that it's running rampant at KU, with people extolling gay culture. Ugh....I don't know what to do with you...

[kujo]

I'm concerned with the bullying.

As am I. I recently had to be physically removed from a bar because some frat guy thought it would be funny to send over what he called a "f*ggot cocktail" to my buddy Travis. I won't describe what was in the pint glass, but suffice to say that I took the glass, chucked it at his bright-white shoes and then beat the snot out of him. Good thing I knew the owners of the bar, who took me out before anyone could call the cops.

Edited by kujo, 17 April 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[MIkolbe]

Is anyone else--of any political and religious bent-- sick and tired of the "clash of civilizations" rhetoric used in this country in regards to gay people? I mean, you can have any opinion you want on their lifestyle, but really, who gives a croutons? It's none of your business what they do.

The Libertarianish part of me tends to agree.

The however-much-repressed-and-inept theological side of me wonders how to square that first opinion with us all being part of the body of Christ...of sin (however hidden) having societal impacts....Am my brother's keeper, except here, and except there???


I struggle with this...just being honest.

[kujo]

The Libertarianish part of me tends to agree.

The however-much-repressed-and-inept theological side of me wonders how to square that first opinion with us all being part of the body of Christ...of sin (however hidden) having societal impacts....Am my brother's keeper, except here, and except there???


I struggle with this...just being honest.

I think Christians of all stripes should stop taking it upon themselves to "save" gay people. I happen to believe that the Catholic Church's stance on how to "deal" with homosexuals is the most prudent in all of Christendom, but I still don't agree with it at its core--thus the "phishy" tag.

Nevertheless, you can't fix people. You can speak to them lovingly and without malice or judgement in your heart, and then love them when they don't "change" because of your words. Actions are better, especially as it pertains to this issue. So many jerks out there calling gay people awful names get a lot of attention, but the loving person who doesn't insult, or judge, or condone will also be noticed on an individual level. It's the mother Teresa approach...

[Brother Adam]

Yes, there is far too much of a focus on homosexuality, however its a fight we did not ask for, much like the contraception mandate. I have many friends, mostly from high school engaged in a homosexual lifestyle. Creating a culture around being "gay", flying flags, organizing marches, and having 'gay' districts, has always struck me as a strange response from those promoting it as legitimate.

I love what our bishop recently said about fraternal correction, it is an act of listening, not an act of getting something off your chest. Only when listening and understanding another person, only when earning the right to be heard and acting out of an abundant concern for the good of the other, in friendship, can we have an effect. Only when we understand caritas will there be any progress.

The Catholic response to homosexuality is complex - after all we are not nominalists. It is rooted in faith and reason and is concerned for what is truly good for the other. I don't want you to engage homosexual acts because I think I am right and you are wrong, but because I am worried that it is not what will fulfill you and make you happy, that it is not what is best for you as a person. Similar with abortion rights, where we believe abortion truly harms another person, and doesn't just harm, but seriously infringes upon their dignity as an act of violence, even when a woman wills it done to herself. We believe that to engage in a homosexual lifestyle, even when someone wills it or has a predisposition to it, harms the freedom and dignity of the individual. Yes, there is also a social concern especially when it comes to education and children.

The flag thing is mostly annoying, however a senseless waste of time to focus on. When they fly North Korea or Irans flag over a US military base, then I am interested.

[MIkolbe]

I think Christians of all stripes should stop taking it upon themselves to "save" gay people. I happen to believe that the Catholic Church's stance on how to "deal" with homosexuals is the most prudent in all of Christendom, but I still don't agree with it at its core--thus the "phishy" tag.

Nevertheless, you can't fix people. You can speak to them lovingly and without malice or judgement in your heart, and then love them when they don't "change" because of your words. Actions are better, especially as it pertains to this issue. So many jerks out there calling gay people awful names get a lot of attention, but the loving person who doesn't insult, or judge, or condone will also be noticed on an individual level. It's the mother Teresa approach...

I think we are speaking english, but not commenting on the same thing.

I agree with most of what you said....perhaps the 'brother's keeper' part of what I said sparked this...

anyways, you owe me a beer.