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[Brother Adam]

http://wdtprs.com/bl...ielli-says-yes/

I have read Andrea Tornielli’s report on Vatican Insider that SSPX Bp. Fellay as SIGNED the CDF’s “Doctrinal Preamble”. Italian HERE.

Il superiore della Fraternità San Pio X ha sottoscritto il preambolo dottrinale proposto dalla Santa Sede, anche se con qualche lieve modifica
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The Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X has signed the doctrinal preamble proposed by the Holy See, even if with a few minor changes

The preamble probably contains a Profession of Faith, basically the Creed. When I worked in Ecclesia Dei, priests who wanted to be reconciled with Rome had to sign an “Adhesio fidei” which was basically the Creed. Men who hold ecclesial offices have to take something similar. It is not very remarkable, all in all.

Tornielli suggests that this Preamble would also contain a statement about “religiosum obsequium… religious submission” will and intellect to the Magisterium. Thus, for some SSPXers such a “Preamble” could be seen as containing a trap to cut off dialogue.

It is likely that whatever else Bp. Fellay might have wanted in the Preamble, there could be something about freedom to continue to discuss disputed points even of Magisterial teachings that are not de fide. (Something I have proposed all along. Dulles’ book Magisterium could be helpful for the average reader to understand what the parameters of discussion and dissent are and to what we must give “religiosum obsequium”.)

All in all, a great rumor and even better if true. Let’s pray that it is.
If it isn’t time to chill the Veuve quite yet, it is time to buy the Veuve.

[Papist]

Hmmm, Interesting.

[Groo the Wanderer]

so...do we fold em into the FSSP or do they remain separate?

[Amppax]

Woot. Hopefully they (SSPX) get there act together and get back in the fold!

[fides' Jack]

Yeah, the FSSPX really needs to join the rest of us.

[BG45]

Glad to see they've at least partially swallowed their pride and started to make the move back into the fold.

[qfnol31]

so...do we fold em into the FSSP or do they remain separate?

Making them the same would be like making the Dominicans and Franciscans the same order.

:-)

[BG45]

Making them the same would be like making the Dominicans and Franciscans the same order.

:-)

I nearly spit out my water.

[Slappo]

so...do we fold em into the FSSP or do they remain separate?

They won't come back if they would have to be folded into the FSSP. They are already their own society so they don't have to become some part of a different group.

[dominicansoul]

i hope its true...

[qfnol31]

i hope its true...

I know a priest at the nunciature who thinks it is. He posted a French article on this on Facebook the other day. It sounds very much like it is happening.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

yes pray for the lost sheep, there are some possibly within the church too Dear LORD, please bless the lost sheep whether practising within your holy roman catholic church or not that your will may be done in there lives, Our Father whom art in heaven , hallowed be thy name,thy kingdom come,thy will be done,on earth as it is in heaven,give us this day our daily bread,and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those whom tresspass against us,lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen

[Groo the Wanderer]

Making them the same would be like making the Dominicans and Franciscans the same order.

:-)

LORF!

not really. The FSSP was founded by members of the SSPX who thought they went too far with their refusal to submit to the Pope. I go to an FSSP parish once in a while, esp if I need a really orthodox confessor

[Aloysius]

the SSPX has confirmed the story is true and a modified preamble has indeed been signed. the Ecclesia Dei Commission has confirmed this and will be studying it, looks like we can look forward to halfway through may for a possible response.

do not expect that the SSPX will be coming back with their tail between their legs or anything. this is not the same type of deal the FSSP made, and as such the subtle differences between the FSSP and the SSPX will justify them being two different Fraternities in the Church. +Fellay said in a letter written recently--actually after he had signed this preamble--that they would not accept anything that compromised their positions on doctrines. I think part of the ministry of the SSPX will be to continue in their stricter traditionalism and in their criticisms (probably slightly more tempered) of widespread problems in the Church. Rome will not be of accord with them in their criticisms, but will recognize the usefulness of this ministry and that their positions do not stand in the way of them being Catholics in good standing. I think the situation in Austria has hopefully startled Rome to the point that they can recognize the value in a prelature that is as harsh as the SSPX; if nothing else to balance things out with organizations currently within the Church with much more startling and problematic forms of liberal heterodoxy.

anyway, I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that regularization is imminent. there will be people on both sides that throw temper tantrums over this, so we must pray for the Holy Father as they will be harsh to him, likely even at high levels of the curia. on the SSPX side, I think (or maybe this is just me hoping) that the length of time Fellay has taken since the Preamble was first proposed has included strong actions taken to minimize any potential splintering. I think it's likely we'll see the splintering as very minimal, with most of the chapels following the Superior General into regular canonical ministry.

Edited by Aloysius, 18 April 2012 - 05:06 AM.

[cappie]

The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has published the following communication concerning the Society of St. Pius X:
"The text of the response of Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, as had been requested at the meeting of 16 March 2012, was received by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith on 17 April 2012. The text will be examined by the Dicastery and then submitted to the judgement of the Holy Father.

Fr. Federico Lombardi, head of the Vatican Press Office, said that, with the latest response, “steps forward have been taken, that is to say, that the response, the new response, is rather encouraging. But there are still developments that will be made, and examined, and decisions which should be taken in the next few weeks.”

[dominicansoul]

THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!!!!

[qfnol31]

LORF!

not really. The FSSP was founded by members of the SSPX who thought they went too far with their refusal to submit to the Pope. I go to an FSSP parish once in a while, esp if I need a really orthodox confessor

While I know quite a few people who switch back and forth between the two, the charisms of the two fraternities are very different.

I really hope that the followers of both stop some of their rampant hatred of the Church as a whole though. I don't want these people to continue fighting the Holy Father in light of the humility and leadership that Bishop Fellay has demonstrated.

[cmariadiaz]

See following link:

http://www.catholicn...cns/1201572.htm

It does confirm that Bishop Fellay did respond, but the article says that he did ask for changes in the text of the doctrinal preamble. Long story short -- the issue isn't resolved just yet.

[Brother Adam]

Right, which is what the text above notes. It is a big step though. I am convinced reconcilation will happen. Also, I do not trust CNS since they have been associating with anti-Catholic groups for a while now. That is all.

[Skinzo]

I think this is all very PREMATURE. Read what is on the SSPX site itself as of now. Nothing is signed or sealed yet:
"At least one Vatican insider has posited that Bishop Fellay gave a “positive” response and also signed in acceptance a modified form of the Doctrinal Preamble. However, speaking today to the French news agency, APIC, SSPX spokesman, Fr. Alain Lorans states that while a “clarified Preamble” was sent to Rome with Bishop Fellay’s reply, beyond these facts one is “speaking too prematurely” when referring to an imminent agreement between the SSPX and Rome. Fr. Lorans went on to clarify that Bishop Fellay’s response is simply another step “in a stage of studies” and that “not everything is already fixed” for an agreement.”

http://sspx.org/theo...e_4-18-2012.htm

AND: "SSPX General House Communiqué

4-18-2012

The media are announcing that Bishop Bernard Fellay has sent a “positive response” to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and that consequently the doctrinal question between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X is now resolved.

The reality is different.

In a letter dated April 17, 2012, the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X responded to the request for clarification that had been made to him on March 16 by Cardinal William Levada concerning the Doctrinal Preamble delivered on September 14, 2011. As the press release dated today from the Ecclesia DeiCommission indicates, the text of this response “will be examined by the dicastery (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) then submitted to the Holy Father for his judgment”.

This is therefore a stage and not a conclusion.

Menzingen, April 18, 2012."
http://sspx.org/theo...e_4-18-2012.htm


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