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[reyb]

My intention in posting this letter is to inform all Christians especially deeply devoted Catholics like priest and bishops that you are in the wrong side of the fence and looking at the opposite direction to see Christ. Whether you believe me or not, or whatever you might think of me, is not my concern anymore. Since I am very tired of committing sins against my God for not doing things I know I must do. I am now discharging my responsibilities to you and I do not want to be blamed by anyone not even by me for being apathetic and unmoved towards you. I am not lying. God is my witness. When you closed your eyes. You will be restless forever if you do not learn to seek him now since his judgment has already been given when He said, ‘So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’. Your offerings are to demons because you let yourself be deceived rather than to seek and find Him. After you hear me, your doings are no longer unintentional and having any excuses in front of the Judgment seat of God.

Not too long ago, the writer of Second Thessalonians warn his listeners - including you - from a teaching supposedly comes from them in a form of prophecies, letters or word of mouth saying that the Christ has already come. This teaching, which you now wholeheartedly accepted, is the one you called ‘orally transmitted tradition’ of the early Catholics using the Book of Luke as one of their sources. They warned you not to accept it because it will lead you to lies and deception.

Early Catholics (and even today) erroneously understood Luke. They thought he is informing the world that the prophesied Christ has already come. Luke is not and was not declaring the fulfillment of Jewish prophesies about the coming of Christ because the Jewish prophesies about this coming is an erroneous interpretation to the book of Moses. Luke’s testimony is not a historical reality or true to life story and therefore all key figures in that story like Jesus, Mary and Peter do not exist in our world or physical realities. The Book of Luke is just a story. He makes a story about the mystery of the Coming of Christ in a form of reality. He gives it to us so that we will seek and find Christ in heavens although the seeker is still here on earth. That is the Christ he saw and all witnesses have seen from the beginning of time.


1. This orally transmitted tradition is a lie from the very beginning.

Edited by reyb, 17 April 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[Luigi]

I want to personally thank you for this inspired, passionate, clear, and articulate teaching. I now understand perfectly that my faith has been sadly misplaced lo these many years, and that you and you alone know the Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth.




So help me God.

[cmotherofpirl]

My intention in posting this letter is to inform all Christians especially deeply devoted Catholics like priest and bishops that you are in the wrong side of the fence and looking at the opposite direction to see Christ. Whether you believe me or not, or whatever you might think of me, is not my concern anymore. Since I am very tired of committing sins against my God for not doing things I know I must do. I am now discharging my responsibilities to you and I do not want to be blamed by anyone not even by me for being apathetic and unmoved towards you. I am not lying. God is my witness. When you closed your eyes. You will be restless forever if you do not learn to seek him now since his judgment has already been given when He said, ‘So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’. Your offerings are to demons because you let yourself be deceived rather than to seek and find Him. After you hear me, your doings are no longer unintentional and having any excuses in front of the Judgment seat of God.

Not too long ago, the writer of Second Thessalonians warn his listeners - including you - from a teaching supposedly comes from them in a form of prophecies, letters or word of mouth saying that the Christ has already come. This teaching, which you now wholeheartedly accepted, is the one you called ‘orally transmitted tradition’ of the early Catholics using the Book of Luke as one of their sources. They warned you not to accept it because it will lead you to lies and deception.

Early Catholics (and even today) erroneously understood Luke. They thought he is informing the world that the prophesied Christ has already come. Luke is not and was not declaring the fulfillment of Jewish prophesies about the coming of Christ because the Jewish prophesies about this coming is an erroneous interpretation to the book of Moses. Luke’s testimony is not a historical reality or true to life story and therefore all key figures in that story like Jesus, Mary and Peter do not exist in our world or physical realities. The Book of Luke is just a story. He makes a story about the mystery of the Coming of Christ in a form of reality. He gives it to us so that we will seek and find Christ in heavens although the seeker is still here on earth. That is the Christ he saw and all witnesses have seen from the beginning of time.


1. This orally transmitted tradition is a lie from the very beginning.

God does not condemn those who earnestly seek His face, so I hope that although we totally disagree on this and always will, that we both find He who calls our name.

[reyb]

I want to personally thank you for this inspired, passionate, clear, and articulate teaching. I now understand perfectly that my faith has been sadly misplaced lo these many years, and that you and you alone know the Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth.




So help me God.

God does not condemn those who earnestly seek His face, so I hope that although we totally disagree on this and always will, that we both find He who calls our name.

Yes, it is correct but you must honestly do it. Now, If your conviction is true to your heart, can you now destroy all barriers between you and your brothers? Can you now give up all sacraments and teachings about apostolic succession and other catholic claims and doctrines so that you will become one your brother protestants?

[BG45]

1. This orally transmitted tradition is a lie from the very beginning.

I'll be sure to inform the Apostle Paul of that.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

[Papist]

Yes, it is correct but you must honestly do it. Now, If your conviction is true to your heart, can you now destroy all barriers between you and your brothers? Can you now give up all sacraments and teachings about apostolic succession and other catholic claims and doctrines so that you will become one your brother protestants?

No thanks. I rather remain in Christ, in His Church. If I were to reject His Church, I'd be rejecting Christ Himself.

God be with you always.

[Papist]

1. This orally transmitted tradition is a lie from the very beginning.

Ok, then why did people chose to die by being torn to pieces and eaten by lions for a lie? Before you answer, remember these early Christians only knew of Christ via orally transmitted tradition.

[Groo the Wanderer]

quick reyb! riddle me this: which was St. Paul's favorite Gospel account?

[reyb]

I'll be sure to inform the Apostle Paul of that.

It is written in 2 Thess 2:15

5 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Now, the question is this.
What are these teachings?

If these teachings is to believe, stand firm and hold on to your faith regarding the ‘the realization of the coming of the Christ’. Why then he mentioned in 2 Thess 2:1-4 (previous to that instructions) the following statement:

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Again my argument is this: Why the writer will warn you against some preachers saying ‘Jesus Christ has already come’ if he is truly referring to become strong in it?

Edited by reyb, 18 April 2012 - 07:34 AM.

[reyb]

Ok, then why did people chose to die by being torn to pieces and eaten by lions for a lie? Before you answer, remember these early Christians only knew of Christ via orally transmitted tradition.

Just like I said before.

Because of faith some people burn their children as sacred offering to God and some give their own life in the name of their God. But it does not follow they are living in light of God.

It is no difference from you. It seems you are ready for whatever eventuality. So, what can I do?

quick reyb! riddle me this: which was St. Paul's favorite Gospel account?

I do not know what you are talking? Teach me. Okay?

Edited by reyb, 18 April 2012 - 07:41 AM.

[Papist]

Just like I said before.

Because of faith some people burn their children as sacred offering to God and some give their own life in the name of their God. But it does not follow they are living in light of God.

It is no difference from you. It seems you are ready for whatever eventuality. So, what can I do?

Please answer the question directly. Stopping avoiding. If you don't know, be honest about it,

Why did people chose to die by being torn to pieces and eaten by lions for a lie? That is dieing for Christ, not some pagan god.

[reyb]

Please answer the question directly. Stopping avoiding. If you don't know, be honest about it,

Why did people chose to die by being torn to pieces and eaten by lions for a lie? That is dieing for Christ, not some pagan god.

I know it. I know it. and that is because of 'faith'. Do you think Christ requires you or anyone to do it for him? Read the entire scripture and you will never see it.

[reyb]

Please answer the question directly. Stopping avoiding. If you don't know, be honest about it,

Why did people chose to die by being torn to pieces and eaten by lions for a lie? That is dieing for Christ, not some pagan god.

I already answer it in my previous post about believers who burn their children as offering. I think you do not really listening.

[Papist]

I know it. I know it. and that is because of 'faith'. Do you think Christ requires you or anyone to do it for him? Read the entire scripture and you will never see it.

Faith in what/who? And how they come to this faith? Which I find strange you put the word faith in quotes. Why's that?

I already answer it in my previous post about believers who burn their children as offering. I think you do not really listening.

Just typing words doesn't account for an answer.

[reyb]

Faith in what/who? And how they come to this faith? Which I find strange you put the word faith in quotes. Why's that?


Just typing words doesn't account for an answer.

I put faith in quotes like this ‘faith’ to give emphasize. A deeply devoted believer can do anything because of faith in his God and it is not impossible for a believer to give himself to lions or fires or whatever in the name of their God and Christ.

By faith you learn to accept the truthfulness of the historical realization of the coming of Jesus Christ more or less 2000 years ago as handed-down to you by your priest.

By faith you learn to accept the truthfulness of apostolic succession thru Church traditions.
By faith you learn to accept the truthfulness of Apostle Peter as your first Pope.
By faith you learn to accept the truthfulness of the seat of Papacy as the successor of Peter.
By faith you learn to accept the truthfulness of the Roman Catholic Church as the Church founded by Christ more or less 2000 years ago.

By faith you learn to accept that piece of bread and wine becomes a true body and blood of Jesus. It requires a good faith to accept it with all honesty.

By faith you learn to accept all sacraments and doctrines as from God himself.
By faith you learn to accept that all ‘growth and development’ from the Sacred Tradition are not addition to the handed-down Tradition from Christ himself.

By faith you learn to defend your Church and her doctrines against any Protestants or anybody who tried to nullify them.
By faith you can do more than that I enumerated above.

But one thing you never use and try your faith (just like your early fathers). You never use you faith to see Christ himself in the same way Apostle Paul and all witnesses saw Him. if you really have faith as precious as theirs why you failed to see Christ in the same way all these witnesses saw Him?

Edited by reyb, 18 April 2012 - 09:38 AM.

[Amppax]

But one thing you never use and try your faith (just like your early fathers). You never use you faith to see Christ himself in the same way Apostle Paul and all witnesses saw Him. if you really have faith as precious as theirs why you failed to see Him in the same way all these witnesses saw Him?

Just what way is that exactly?

[Papist]

reyb,

You do know people are not born believers in Christ and then all of a sudden ZAPPO they believe in Christ....right?

[cmotherofpirl]

God does not condemn those who earnestly seek His face, so I hope that although we totally disagree on this and always will, that we both find He who calls our name.

We follow Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, Second Person of The Holy Trinity, who founded the Catholic Church more than 2000 years ago. That is not going to change. We do not follow false prophets.

Peace be with you.

[Luigi]

Yes, it is correct but you must honestly do it. Now, If your conviction is true to your heart, can you now destroy all barriers between you and your brothers? Can you now give up all sacraments and teachings about apostolic succession and other catholic claims and doctrines so that you will become one your brother protestants?

Mark 6:11: "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."


We've got the dUSt. You might want to start shaking your soles.

[reyb]

Mark 6:11: "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."


We've got the dUSt. You might want to start shaking your soles.

Not yet. Because I still trust you. If I see you intentionally denying the truth then without doubt I will do it. Not yet today. I know you have with you the dUST but I have with me the GUTS that one day you will understand me. Till then brother.