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[arfink]

It's absolutely true. CISPA has passed. Say goodbye to your 4th Amendment rights, they've been stolen from you.

http://www.techdirt....shed-vote.shtml

[LaPetiteSoeur]

= 4th amendment

[BG45]

Currently the Obama administration is threatening a veto. Of course they did that with NDAA too, and then signed into law that you can be held without your Constitutional rights.

[she_who_is_not]

It still has to get passed by the Senate and avoid veto by the President.

[FuturePriest387]

The Democrats own the senate, so it will get passed.

[BG45]

The Democrats own the senate, so it will get passed.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3523 That would be a link to Govtrack, it helps citizens track bills as they go through Congress. In the House, CISPA was sponsored by Republican Representative Michael Rogers of Michigan. It has 112 co-sponsors from both parties.

SOPA and PIPA, the last two internet censorship and security bills were also introduced by Republicans. Much like CISPA they recieved wide bipartisan support until the American people freaked out from all the negative publicity that social media generated, something that hasn't happened to as large an extent with CISPA, despite it being even more restrictive.

Also let's break down the votes in the House:
Voted in Favor:
Republican: 206
Democrat: 42

Voted Against:
Republican: 28
Democrat: 140

Not Voting:
Republican: 7
Democrat: 8

My overall point? It doesn't matter which party is dominant in the Senate. Unless the people of the United States are willing to speak up for their rights again like they did before, it will pass and then it will be up to "I won't sign NDAA, really, I'll veto it" Obama to stop it.

[eagle_eye222001]

And this is what ticks me off.

The Republican party is supposed to be about limiting government......but then they do something very Democratic.

Libertarian Party looks more and more appealing.


And while Obama is someone in whom I ideologically oppose on almost everything....I now bank on him to veto this.


The Democrats and Republicans sometimes look very, very similar.

[Hasan]

http://www.govtrack....ills/112/hr3523 That would be a link to Govtrack, it helps citizens track bills as they go through Congress. In the House, CISPA was sponsored by Republican Representative Michael Rogers of Michigan. It has 112 co-sponsors from both parties.

SOPA and PIPA, the last two internet censorship and security bills were also introduced by Republicans. Much like CISPA they recieved wide bipartisan support until the American people freaked out from all the negative publicity that social media generated, something that hasn't happened to as large an extent with CISPA, despite it being even more restrictive.

Also let's break down the votes in the House:
Voted in Favor:
Republican: 206
Democrat: 42

Voted Against:
Republican: 28
Democrat: 140

Not Voting:
Republican: 7
Democrat: 8

My overall point? It doesn't matter which party is dominant in the Senate. Unless the people of the United States are willing to speak up for their rights again like they did before, it will pass and then it will be up to "I won't sign NDAA, really, I'll veto it" Obama to stop it.

I don't understand your conclusion. It seems that while there is some support in both parties the support for the bill comes disproportionally from republicans.

[dUSt]

Good.

[Hasan]

And this is what ticks me off.

The Republican party is supposed to be about limiting government..

Hm. Well let's see. Eisenhower didn't limit government. Nixon didn't limit government. Ford didn't Limit government. Reagan didn't limit government. Bush Senior didn't limit government. Bush Jr. didn't limit government.


Can anybody here spot a pattern? Any pattern at all?

[Maximilianus]

Hm. Well let's see. Eisenhower didn't limit government. Nixon didn't limit government. Ford didn't Limit government. Reagan didn't limit government. Bush Senior didn't limit government. Bush Jr. didn't limit government.


Can anybody here spot a pattern? Any pattern at all?

That they get vessels named after them? In this specific case aircraft carriers?

[BG45]

I don't understand your conclusion. It seems that while there is some support in both parties the support for the bill comes disproportionally from republicans.

My conclusion was a thinly veiled pointing out that FP seemed to think that the Democrats would swiftly pass CISPA in the Senate because they hold the majority there. I was pointing out that it has bipartisan support, with most of the people who voted for it in the House being Republicans, opposite the party he claimed would railroad it through.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

please, what is the 4th ammendment ?

[Jesus_lol]

And this is what ticks me off.

The Republican party is supposed to be about limiting government......but then they do something very Democratic.

Libertarian Party looks more and more appealing.


And while Obama is someone in whom I ideologically oppose on almost everything....I now bank on him to veto this.


The Democrats and Republicans sometimes look very, very similar.

I wouldnt say they look similar, as it's pretty obvious which party is the one pushing this through.

I would hazard that if you gathered most of the large disturbing expansions of government made in the past amount of years, most of them would be from the Conservative party.

please, what is the 4th ammendment ?

here is a canadian with 10 spare seconds and google helping you out. arent you american, tab?

the Fourth Amendment "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Edited by Jesus_lol, 27 April 2012 - 05:05 PM.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

Thanks jesus_lol , the internet is kinda like the middle of the ocean, it belongs to no one. The australian government is thinking about blocking many sites, and yes there already watching us. I heard china has already blocked many sites already, but not absolutely. little chinese pop ups come up when on a banned site with various warnings that i assume rebukes governmental resposibilty of any consequences for being on the banned site. But i understand there is a thin line between a government helping people make the right choices and a government forcing people to make the right choice. Sometimes i wonder how many true believers there are in saudi arabia when if you don't believe in God your chances of being shot as such are pretty high. XXX and XX is a jailable offence in australia if images or glorification are propegated publicly. Australia will end up blocking these. I rekon they should block X too based on the old testament verse which states we should not look through another persons window,which i basicaly belive is in case your neighbour is having sex. And foul language in public is a dicriminalised offense, not legal but not jailable. You can get a fine, though the police don't uphold this law but possibly will again in the future once the celebrations of victory in ww1 and 2 are over, and lord God may they be over before midnight coz i wan't to go home in the carriage and not walk in the bitter cold at 3 am out of my mind.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

lest we forget true, but in that you get what i mean. Prohabition was introduced when everyone was celebrating the victory. But the party continues. Please get out before midnight and save your oil incase you actually don't have 2 barrels. ModR8 or just be StR8.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

and as catholics one must hold the holy word in higher esteem than a political constitution(not saying we don't need governments.) The bible can neither be added to or taken away from but what of constituions ? what do you all think,do you hold your constituion in higher esteem than the holy bible.? Surely our constitutions over time can be bettered for the glory of God. ?

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

And by the way how many fathers of the U.S. constituion where catholic christians ? Not attacking the protostant non-denominations whom are now actually fighting against in some ways against the denomination protos, seems God is applying eye for eye tooth for tooth on the reformation. Ask yourself this question, "is my enemies enemy my friend? Many protostants i guess are somewhat shaken by the sexual revolution now the fruits have gotten rotten and not just bad. Work with them on that which you agree on, there may be your key to saving your beloved constitution from absolute over haul(for better or for worse), to just a tinkering here and there. I know not much of your constituion nore my own nations, but if it is truely good and gods will,it is worth fighting for,even dying for possibly. But also possibly the Lords will for the u.s. constituion was only partially revealed for man reveals the will of God imperfectly and now he is going to iron out the creases, which some will hate and some will love.

Edited by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye, 27 April 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

my personal constitution is a work in progress, possibly so should be all democratic national constituions. I don't know, and your aloud to hit me hard on all i have stated, because indeed it is only the opinion of an outsider(that does not desire to be anyones enemy without sugar coating everything) whom possibly doesn't know one iota of sense in such matters but is open to learn

Edited by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye, 27 April 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye]

i reccomend listening to the song full court mess by PRo on the album dying to live, pretty much i,you and we are a full court mess if the Lord doesn't use us, commonwealth,democratic,socialist,communist,capitalist etc I heard where the holy roman catholic church is persecuted by governments there whole system collapses eventually and gives birth to something new and better. The end is only a new beggining,hopefully. Stay in Faith with Love. even though the darkness at times seems to make us think there is only a thread of the wonderful plait twine of faith hope and love. You guys can do this, don't despair holy catholic church U.S.A needs you.