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Chiquitunga
[quote name='StayingFaithful' timestamp='1344023592' post='2462286']
Thanks for all the knowledge you share. Wow, you have a video of Cristo Rey! Have you visited them? They are a growing community!
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Hi! No, I've never visited Cristo Rey. I just found that video searching on youtube :)

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1344345940' post='2463970']
Does Cristo Rey have the communion flap like Dallas has?

What are the differences between the Spanish and the French habits? Does anyone have pictures of each type? :)
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I am not sure about the Communion flap there .. but yes, I can post pictures of both. Some of the main differences/ways to tell are ..

- the Spanish day veil is sewn down to the toque (aka guimpe or wimple by other orders) (or in some cases pinned, I know in Dallas they sew them down twice a week and then take them apart to wash them/I am not sure about others) And generally the day veil and toque sit lower on the forehead, although not always. Also, there is generally that ruffled look, as again, it is sewn down, at least in Dallas I know.

- the French day veil is pinned down usually right on the top and higher on the forehead

- the French day veil when tucked in (and the toque under the chin) generally looks bigger around the head/more material .. but then they usually have much less material coming out of the shoulders under the scapular. Anyway, see the pictures. I'm not the best as describing things :rolleyes:

Spanish:

[img]http://img.webme.com/pic/c/carmelitasecija/santonoviciado.jpg[/img]

Ecijia, Spain .. novice just clothed has outer veil, other novice just in day veil (sometimes it will have a point on top, but my friend in Dallas actually mentioned once that one of the goals in sewing it down correctly is not to get that point! :j not a big deal though)


[img]http://www.carmelitasvalladolid.es/mediapool/63/639852/images/31BIS.JPG[/img]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/88350-sr-magdalena-of-the-eucharist-ocd/"]Sr. Magdalena of the Eucharist[/url] :heart:


[img]http://www.spintown.net/images/nuns/durango4.jpg[/img]

San Antonio, TX

[img]http://altaredesign.com/kankakeelatinmass/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mother-mary-elias-ocd.jpg[/img]

Mother Elias, [url="http://fountainofelias.blogspot.com/2009/07/mother-mary-elias-of-blessed-sacrament.html"]http://fountainofeli...-sacrament.html[/url]


French:


[img]http://www.carmelsong.com/images/aloy1939r.jpg[/img]

Mother Aloysius, Bettendorf, IA - [url="http://www.carmelsong.com/MotherAloysius.htm"]http://www.carmelson...herAloysius.htm[/url]



[img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/smc%20jubilee%20feathered_SMALL.jpg[/img]

Carmel, CA


[img]http://d2om8tvz4lgco4.cloudfront.net/archive/x1647204652/g2e22e200000000000046f192d575ccbb1e82e4792e801770c68c20cccf.jpg[/img]

Danvers, MA [url="http://www.danverscarmel.com/"]http://www.danverscarmel.com/[/url]


There are variations in these from one community to the next of course - for instance, Traverse City pins their veil at the top now, but they still have more material coming out of the scapular, [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/CarmelOfTheInfantJesusOfPragueTraverseCityMI#5213729232132169586"]https://picasaweb.go...729232132169586[/url] so I would still call it mostly Spanish, and their heritage of course is very Spanish, which they are proud of up there.

More examples, article on Mother Teresa Margaret who turned 100!! [url="http://record-eagle.com/bodysoul/x1753726766/A-nuns-life-Mother-Teresa-Margaret"]http://record-eagle....Teresa-Margaret[/url]

Kirk Edge in the UK doesn't have as much material from the toque under the chin as many of the US French Carmels do - [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/catholicism/3984082651/"]http://www.flickr.co...ism/3984082651/[/url] which looks a bit more Spanish

Flemington pins their veil down lower which makes it look more Spanish too..

[url="http://00eb9ba.netsolhost.com/stories/2008/9_11_08/trilogy.html"]http://00eb9ba.netso...08/trilogy.html[/url] & [url="http://www.flemingtoncarmel.org/"]http://www.flemingtoncarmel.org/[/url]


But generally, they are one or the other (also there are generally different customs and a different spirit between the two) Hope this is not all too confusing!!! :topsy:

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ToJesusMyHeart
Wow! Thanks so much!!! :) It's so interesting!!

Would you mind expanding on the differences in Spanish/French customs and the differences in the 'spirits' of each too?

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344361967' post='2464064']- the Spanish day veil is sewn down to the toque (aka guimpe or wimple by other orders) (or in some cases pinned, I know in Dallas they sew them down twice a week and then take them apart to wash them/I am not sure about others) And generally the day veil and toque sit lower on the forehead, although not always. Also, there is generally that ruffled look, as again, it is sewn down, at least in Dallas I know.[/quote]
I want to correct myself here. I learned that in Valparaiso they definitely also sew the day veil to the toque, they call it toqua (also that they have a separate night toqua that no veil is sewn to)

[img]http://www.carmelitasvalladolid.es/mediapool/63/639852/resources/big_5506218_4_363-289.JPG[/img]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/88350-sr-magdalena-of-the-eucharist-ocd/"]Sr. Magdalena of the Eucharist[/url] again :heart:


So I think it can be assumed generally that is the what is done in most traditional Spanish Carmels. I just mentioned that some pin it because a while back on the phorum we were having a similar conversation and someone mentioned being in a Spanish Carmel where they pinned it .. and that it seemed impractical to sew it and then take them apart to wash. But this is indeed what they do in Dallas and Valparaiso at least. And a Sister in Dallas who was once in a French Carmel actually said the French veil takes a good 5 minutes longer to put on every morning, whereas with the Spanish toque and veil already sewn together, it is much faster (though they have to take the time to sew them and take them apart weekly, but they are loose stitches)

Anyway, more random details on Carmel not necessary for your salvation!! :topsy: I will come back later to attempt to answer the French/Spanish customs question.. though I'm seriously no expert .. just happened to have gathered a lot of random information, lol :hehe: Edited by Chiquitunga

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MarisStella
Sorry to change the subject, but I thought this thread would be the right place to ask:
Does anyone know anything about the Carmel in Louisville, KY?

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='MarisStella' timestamp='1344816050' post='2466618']
Sorry to change the subject, but I thought this thread would be the right place to ask:
Does anyone know anything about the Carmel in Louisville, KY?
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It's the perfect place to ask! :like: Yes, I know someone who visited there. They are French and under the 1990 Constitutions. According to this site, [url="http://www.religiousministries.com/"]http://www.religiousministries.com/[/url] (which updates their numbers every year) there are 9 Sisters and 2 in formation. Here's a picture of their Extern, [url="http://www.parish-without-borders.net/cditt/ontheroad/2010/JulyTrip/JulyTrip-l21-22.htm"]http://www.parish-wi...Trip-l21-22.htm[/url] May God bless your discernment!

Also a little more info from the website of the Archdiocese, [url="http://www.archlou.org/departments-and-services/agencies-facilities/vocations/discernment-for-women/"]http://www.archlou.o...ment-for-women/[/url]

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[left]Curious about what goes on in a Carmelite Monastery? Join them for the following events:[/left][list]
[*]The Carmelite Sisters will have Vespers and Benediction every Sunday, according to the following schedule:
-Beginning with the First Sunday of Advent: at 4:45 p.m.
-Beginning with the First Sunday of Lent: at 5 p.m.
-From the Feast of Corpus Christi until Fall, the Sisters do not have Vespers and Benediction
-Fall (around the end of September) until the First Sunday of Advent: 5 p.m.
[*]On the First Friday of every month: Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament from the end of 8 a.m. Mass until Vespers at 4:45 p.m.
[*]In July: Annual Novena in honor of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, beginning on July 8th and running through July 16th. The celebration of Mass is at 7 p.m., preceeded by the Rosary at 6:45 p.m. every evening.
[*]Daily Mass: At 8 a.m.; is open to the public on every day except Sunday.
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[left][color=#000000][font=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=2]All services will take place in the Monastery Chapel, located on Newburg Road between Calvary Cemetery and St. Agnes School.[/size][/font][/color][/left]

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p.s. they were founded in 1930 from the Carmel in Philadelphia Edited by Chiquitunga

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Chiquitunga
posting this here too :)

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344964296' post='2467545']
So wonderful!! Here's the girl who entered Valpariaso that day, [url="https://www.facebook.com/SamanthaGoesToCarmel"]https://www.facebook...thaGoesToCarmel[/url] (you don't have to have an account to see it I'm pretty sure, I can sign into a friend's :j)

I also recently found another entrance on there at Brooklyn :heart: [url="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=411643568879181&set=a.248058405237699.58938.184190628291144&type=1"]here[/url] & [url="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419949581381913&set=a.248058405237699.58938.184190628291144&type=1&permPage=1"]here[/url]
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MarisStella
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344831370' post='2466729']
It's the perfect place to ask! :like: Yes, I know someone who visited there. They are French and under the 1990 Constitutions. According to this site, [url="http://www.religiousministries.com/"]http://www.religiousministries.com/[/url] (which updates their numbers every year) there are 9 Sisters and 2 in formation. Here's a picture of their Extern, [url="http://www.parish-without-borders.net/cditt/ontheroad/2010/JulyTrip/JulyTrip-l21-22.htm"]http://www.parish-wi...Trip-l21-22.htm[/url] May God bless your discernment!

Also a little more info from the website of the Archdiocese, [url="http://www.archlou.org/departments-and-services/agencies-facilities/vocations/discernment-for-women/"]http://www.archlou.o...ment-for-women/[/url]



p.s. they were founded in 1930 from the Carmel in Philadelphia
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Thanks so much! I'm thinking about contacting them!

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ACS67
Lately I have been very curious about the Des Plaines Carmel. Does anyone know anything about them? There seems to be very little on the internet about them.

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Graciela
DesPlaines Carmel is very traditional- full habit, strict cloister. They use the Novus ordo Mass but I think there is an EF Mass there once per month. I visited there once and spoke with the very kind sister at the turn. They do not have externs. I think I saw one white veil at communion time but this was over a year ago.

The thing that I wondered about was whether the nuns could actually see the altar at Mass. I did not think that they could, as it seemed to me that their choir was directly behind a solid wall from the sanctuary. There were some cross-shaped openings in the wall to allow sound to come through but these were on either side of the altar. I had heard that this was the custom in some carmels in the past, but it surprised me.

If you Google this Carmel, you may find articles about a very rich San Francisco widow who entered there in the 1990's and has persevered.

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ACS67
Thank you Graciela. I had read that article about the San Francisco woman several years ago. Do you know if they take older vocations? I know that San Francisco woman was certainly older. I wish they would go with the EF full time instead of the Novus Ordo. I'm really struggling with the Novus Ordo. I attend an FSSP parish and the idea of reverting back to the Novus Ordo in religlous life is tough. However, most EF communities do not except older vocations.

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OnlySunshine
[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1345030156' post='2467878']
Thank you Graciela. I had read that article about the San Francisco woman several years ago. Do you know if they take older vocations? I know that San Francisco woman was certainly older. I wish they would go with the EF full time instead of the Novus Ordo. I'm really struggling with the Novus Ordo. I attend an FSSP parish and the idea of reverting back to the Novus Ordo in religlous life is tough. However, most EF communities do not except older vocations.
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The Carmel of Cristo Rey takes vocations up to 37 and even considers belated vocations according to their listing on IRL.

[url="http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/99"]Carmelites of Cristo Rey[/url]

What about the Carmelite nuns in Brooklyn, NY? I can't find a listing for them anywhere but I thought they had the Latin Mass?

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1344986694' post='2467657']
Lately I have been very curious about the Des Plaines Carmel. Does anyone know anything about them? There seems to be very little on the internet about them.

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A very good thing! :like: As a priest once told me for Carmelites "the more hidden, the better" :saint:

[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1345030156' post='2467878']
Thank you Graciela. I had read that article about the San Francisco woman several years ago. Do you know if they take older vocations? I know that San Francisco woman was certainly older. I wish they would go with the EF full time instead of the Novus Ordo. I'm really struggling with the Novus Ordo. I attend an FSSP parish and the idea of reverting back to the Novus Ordo in religlous life is tough. However, most EF communities do not except older vocations.
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I don't know for sure whether or not they take older vocations, but I thought I heard they are still pretty strict on their age limit, despite that they have made exceptions. I think all you can do is try. And yes, they have the EF Mass every First Saturday .. they have so for many years.. since the late 80's I have heard, which a priest once told me is to their credit, given that this was many years before Summorum Pontificum, etc. They have always been more traditional, and I read once online someone saying that they actually prefer the Traditional Mass, but want to have the same Mass the Holy Father offers daily.

Something else for you though ... I [i]just[/i] recently heard that the [url="http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/17"]Carmel in Morristown, NJ[/url] has the EF Mass every week and that they have switched to all Latin in their Office. They also except older vocations, so if I were you I would give them a try :pray:

[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1345033239' post='2467887']
What about the Carmelite nuns in Brooklyn, NY? I can't find a listing for them anywhere but I thought they had the Latin Mass?
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I have heard that they hope to have it more frequently, but I am not sure how often they do. They have different priests come each day to offer Mass, and I heard many priests want to offer Mass in their beautiful little chapel and they have to book way ahead of time to do so! Mother has said they are spoiled there with all the priests they have! :priest:

edit: Also, you can try the Carmel in Alexandria, SD which I have heard wants to have the EF Mass more often too. They are open to older vocations and they are planning a foundation now actually, http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/166 Edited by Chiquitunga

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ACS67
Thank you Mater and Chiqui. I appreciate your help. I will write to both DesPlaines, Morristown and South Dakota see what they say!

Thanks again!

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lmsb1231
hello! i am new to Phatmass- i am very grateful to find it because i am entering the Dallas Carmelites next year and it has been helpful/edifying to read these forums =] i hope i can share some information which will be helpful

here is some information about the Dallas Carmel for those who feel drawn to discern with them:
-they are under the 1990s Constitution
-they are considered very traditional and strict in keeping the rule
-they recieve Holy Communion on the tongue and kneeling
-they have all night adoration on the First Friday of the month until the presidential election (i'm not sure if they'll continue doing this)
-they have the tradition of wearing a wedding dress during the investiture of the Holy Habit
-there are currently 16 in the community (including postulants and novices)-3 have just entered this year
-Mother Juanita Marie (the Mistress of Novices/ mother superior)- seemed very motherly/holy.
-they are an international community (American, asians, filipino, hispanics, african, african-american)

i have to go for now- i will post more later! God bless

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emmaberry
[quote name='lmsb1231' timestamp='1346016043' post='2474544']
hello! i am new to Phatmass- i am very grateful to find it because i am entering the Dallas Carmelites next year and it has been helpful/edifying to read these forums =] i hope i can share some information which will be helpful

here is some information about the Dallas Carmel for those who feel drawn to discern with them:
-they are under the 1990s Constitution
-they are considered very traditional and strict in keeping the rule
-they recieve Holy Communion on the tongue and kneeling
-they have all night adoration on the First Friday of the month until the presidential election (i'm not sure if they'll continue doing this)
-they have the tradition of wearing a wedding dress during the investiture of the Holy Habit
-there are currently 16 in the community (including postulants and novices)-3 have just entered this year
-Mother Juanita Marie (the Mistress of Novices/ mother superior)- seemed very motherly/holy.
-they are an international community (American, asians, filipino, hispanics, african, african-american)

i have to go for now- i will post more later! God bless
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Welcome to PM! Do you have an entrance date yet? Are they bilingual, since they are an international community? Also, what *form of the* Mass do they celebrate on Sundays? I might try to catch Mass there instead of the Arlington Carmel next time I am in the area-not that Arlington isn't great, I have just been there a couple times already. Luckily, there are plenty of Carmelites to go around! Congrats on your impending entrance!

Edit=* Edited by emmaberry

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='lmsb1231' timestamp='1346016043' post='2474544']
hello! i am new to Phatmass- i am very grateful to find it because i am entering the Dallas Carmelites next year and it has been helpful/edifying to read these forums =] i hope i can share some information which will be helpful

here is some information about the Dallas Carmel for those who feel drawn to discern with them:
-they are under the 1990s Constitution
-they are considered very traditional and strict in keeping the rule
-they recieve Holy Communion on the tongue and kneeling
-they have all night adoration on the First Friday of the month until the presidential election (i'm not sure if they'll continue doing this)
-they have the tradition of wearing a wedding dress during the investiture of the Holy Habit
-there are currently 16 in the community (including postulants and novices)-3 have just entered this year
-Mother Juanita Marie (the Mistress of Novices/ mother superior)- seemed very motherly/holy.
-they are an international community (American, asians, filipino, hispanics, african, african-american)

i have to go for now- i will post more later! God bless
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That is wonderful to hear!! Congratulations!!! :clap: :nun2:

I have a good friend who's a novice there now. I think instead of Filipino, you mean Vietnamese. They have like 4 or 5 Vietnamese Sisters! I believe 2 are actually from Vietnam. That is great to hear about the African and African American Sisters. I didn't know that.

emmaberry, daily and Sunday Masses are at 7 am and are in the Ordinary Form, [url="http://www.dallascarmelites.com/#!__events"]http://www.dallascar....com/#!__events[/url] For the all night vigil on First Fridays they have an EF Mass at around 7 pm and then 3 am, and then the OF at 7 am. They actually first starting having those for the 2008 Elections and have never stopped since!! :pray:

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emmaberry
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1346041398' post='2474767']
That is wonderful to hear!! Congratulations!!! :clap: :nun2:

I have a good friend who's a novice there now. I think instead of Filipino, you mean Vietnamese. They have like 4 or 5 Vietnamese Sisters! I believe 2 are actually from Vietnam. That is great to hear about the African and African American Sisters. I didn't know that.

emmaberry, daily and Sunday Masses are at 7 am and are in the Ordinary Form, [url="http://www.dallascarmelites.com/#!__events"]http://www.dallascar....com/#!__events[/url] For the all night vigil on First Fridays they have an EF Mass at around 7 pm and then 3 am, and then the OF at 7 am. They actually first starting having those for the 2008 Elections and have never stopped since!! :pray:
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Thank you very much! If I get the chance to visit, this will be the first very traditional Carmel I will have attended. Like I said, Arlington is great, but I could tell that they had revised some things, for good reasons I am sure. Nevertheless, it will be nice to attend Mass at a different sort of Carmel!

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inperpetuity
Also, you can try the Carmel in Alexandria, SD which I have heard wants to have the EF Mass more often too. They are open to older vocations and they are planning a foundation now actually, [url="http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/org/166"][color="#888888"]http://db.religiousl...irl.nsf/org/166[/color][/url]

Chiquitunga, so they are making a foundation? Do you know where? They were making this one when I was in Buffalo and I've always wondered about them.

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