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[dairygirl4u2c]

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[Winchester]

[Papist]

Why not. I has worked for the The Hellenic army for a long time.

[USAirwaysIHS]

I'm pretty sure those are just Greek broads. Turns out a steady diet of feta and olive oil does not an attractive gal make.

[kujo]

I don't know what "flaunt it" means. If by "flaunting it" you mean talking about their relationship and/or sex life in the exact same manner that heterosexual males and females have been doing for thousands of years, than no--gays shouldn't serve in the military. Why should they have to continue to hide or have a foot in the closet?

[thessalonian]

Those who are gay, even openly gay do have certain rights as humans to make a living. So I do think a Catholic can answer yes to question 1. But I did not because it seems to me that it is disruptive to the mission of the military.

[thessalonian]

I don't know what "flaunt it" means. If by "flaunting it" you mean talking about their relationship and/or sex life in the exact same manner that heterosexual males and females have been doing for thousands of years, than no--gays shouldn't serve in the military. Why should they have to continue to hide or have a foot in the closet?

Ummmm because homosex is gravely disordered. I know you don't agree but so what. Why do those who love porn have to hide in their homes. Why can't they just log in to the library and view porn. Ummmm because it is imoral and they know it. Gays know as well. That is why they were in the closet in the first place.

[kujo]

Ummmm because homosex is gravely disordered. I know you don't agree but so what. Why do those who love porn have to hide in their homes. Why can't they just log in to the library and view porn. Ummmm because it is imoral and they know it. Gays know as well. That is why they were in the closet in the first place.

We are talking about the military, correct? Not the Papal Army, or some sort of privately-funded morality police force. I have family and friends in the armed forces, and I've seen and read enough to know that activities that you pious folk would consider "gravely disordered" occur all.the.time.

[kujo]

The general topic here--homosexuality--is circular, so let's focus on the nuances. Specifically, the answer to the second question posed by the OP: can a Catholic answer "yes" to the question of whether or not gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military. I don't think there's anything in the Catechism or anywhere else that says that Catholics are compelled to vote one way or another on this issue. It's not one of the "non-negotiables" like opposition to gay marriage is. So, am I missing something?

[Hasan]

Gays know as well. That is why they were in the closet in the first place.

Oh, I get it. You're a troll. Well played, sir. Well played.

[Jesus_lol]

what about all the catholic converts who havent told their protestant families? or who avoid contentious arguments on abortion/gay marriage to avoid alienating friends, or out of professional courtesy at work?

they must know that being catholic is immoral. otherwise they wouldnt just talk about catholicism on their private computer.

[Hasan]

[qfnol31]

If homosexuality and pedophilia were once conflated, it's no wonder we've had so many problems recently.

That movie is kind of creepy in itself. Take that hair for instance!

[qfnol31]

The general topic here--homosexuality--is circular, so let's focus on the nuances. Specifically, the answer to the second question posed by the OP: can a Catholic answer "yes" to the question of whether or not gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military. I don't think there's anything in the Catechism or anywhere else that says that Catholics are compelled to vote one way or another on this issue. It's not one of the "non-negotiables" like opposition to gay marriage is. So, am I missing something?

I think you're right on this. I think a Catholic could go either way.

DADT was based on the idea that military members are held to a higher standard than the rest of society. The question of DADT falls more properly under the question of what can we expect from our military members, which is a prudential question along the lines of "what form of government is best?".

[Anomaly]

Thought that occured to me. Whether you're gay or hetero, there are standards of behavior in the military. Women and men serve together with rules of conduct and rules of punishment or penalty if there is a problem. Catholics would expect Hetero-S to be 'chaste', and they have the same standard for Homo-S. The fact that either gender may choose to behave differently is irrelevant to who they're having sex with.

Now that brings up another issue/question. If men and women can expect seperate showers and bathroom facilities for privacy and the sexual issues involved, wouldn't straight/gay persons expect the same for privacy and sexual issues?

[Winchester]

Parades, fancy outfits, I really don't see how you could keep them out.

[FuturePriest387]

Well, I personally think they can be, so long as they're not obnoxious about it (Those gay pride parades really are annoying), and so long as there isn't any inappropriate behavior going on between soldiers. I mean, I cannot personally think of one reason why a gay man that has "come out of the closet" should be unable to protect his country. This is his country just as much as it is ours and he has every right to defend it if he wants. I haven't thought much about it, though, so I haven't had time to form my opinion on it 100%. These are just my thoughts right off the bat. Perhaps someone else can tell me more about it and the possible consequences?

[Annie12]

I'm not gay so I don't know what it is like to be be Gay. But, being Gay is no reason to turn someone away from military service.

Personally I think that if there is a Sexually active Gay who is open with it and doesn't have one partner, I see trouble in letting them in the military only because they could be focusing on things besides being a soldier (if you get my drift).

Homosexuality is not natural, therefore it must be a chemical imbalance. I think it should be treated as such and people shouldn't discriminate against Gays but they also shouldn't treat them like they have no issues. Just like anxiety (which runs in my family btw) I feel like Homosexual people should receive treatment to alleviate their suffering. The problem is those who believe what I do get labeled as homophobes because we think differently than the pro gay rights people.If homosexuality is a medical condition it is only the public's fault for not acknowledging and trying to help Gay people. I read a statistic on Catholic answers which said that only 2% of sexually active Gay men live to be 50. I don't think we should condemn them to a life of suffering and spiritual loss because of pubic ignorance.

So while I don't think we should turn gays away from the military, I think it would be better if we found a cure for homosexuality or in the very least refer them to therapy. Not because we are being "intolerant" but because we are promoting healthy life styles and happiness for all. We should love all people like ourselves and I know if I had homosexual feelings I would want to be released from the Chains which it comes with.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i actually kinda meant to ask.... "should gays be allowed to serve even if they are silent about the issue".
when clinton passed "dont ask don't tell", there was uproar by conservatives that even if they didn't tell, they shouldn't be allowed. which i guess means the mlitary would ask and reject anyone homosexual. i guess i'm not sure how many percentage wise were against it for that reason.... but i'm guessing that yes times have changed even for conservatives.
i was curious if the times have changed or not. but by the looks of the poll, most here at the usually conservative board would allow them to serve even if they aren't silent about it.

Edited by dairygirl4u2c, 23 May 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[kujo]

I'm not gay so I don't know what it is like to be be Gay. But, being Gay is no reason to turn someone away from military service.

Personally I think that if there is a Sexually active Gay who is open with it and doesn't have one partner, I see trouble in letting them in the military only because they could be focusing on things besides being a soldier (if you get my drift).

Homosexuality is not natural, therefore it must be a chemical imbalance. I think it should be treated as such and people shouldn't discriminate against Gays but they also shouldn't treat them like they have no issues. Just like anxiety (which runs in my family btw) I feel like Homosexual people should receive treatment to alleviate their suffering. The problem is those who believe what I do get labeled as homophobes because we think differently than the pro gay rights people.If homosexuality is a medical condition it is only the public's fault for not acknowledging and trying to help Gay people. I read a statistic on Catholic answers which said that only 2% of sexually active Gay men live to be 50. I don't think we should condemn them to a life of suffering and spiritual loss because of pubic ignorance.

So while I don't think we should turn gays away from the military, I think it would be better if we found a cure for homosexuality or in the very least refer them to therapy. Not because we are being "intolerant" but because we are promoting healthy life styles and happiness for all. We should love all people like ourselves and I know if I had homosexual feelings I would want to be released from the Chains which it comes with.

1) Oh, I "catch you drift" alright. But that's pretty beaver dam insulting. Gay men who choose to join the military aren't going to let any passing sexual thought distract them from their mission. In the same way that you don't want to mount every male you encounter, they don't feel the need to fantasize about everyone around them either.

2) Gayness doesn't need to be "cured."

Well, I personally think they can be, so long as they're not obnoxious about it (Those gay pride parades really are annoying), and so long as there isn't any inappropriate behavior going on between soldiers. I mean, I cannot personally think of one reason why a gay man that has "come out of the closet" should be unable to protect his country. This is his country just as much as it is ours and he has every right to defend it if he wants. I haven't thought much about it, though, so I haven't had time to form my opinion on it 100%. These are just my thoughts right off the bat. Perhaps someone else can tell me more about it and the possible consequences?

Hello old friend. Sad to find myself agreeing with you once again. I'll have to just pick on Thess instead