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[jaime]

http://www.medjugorj...rje-new-bishop/


While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.

The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.
Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.

Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
“Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.
“But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.
One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified documents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.
Two scenarios of new governance
Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:

The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
“In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”
Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:

The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
“The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.
“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:
“The Commission extensively examines various documents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.
Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.

[Hasan]

http://www.medjugorj...rje-new-bishop/


While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.

The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.
Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.

Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
“Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.
“But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.
One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified documents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.
Two scenarios of new governance
Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:

The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
“In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”
Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:

The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
“The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.
“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:
“The Commission extensively examines various documents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.
Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.

http://www.medjugorj...rje-new-bishop/


While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.

The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.
Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.

Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
“Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.
“But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.
One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified documents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.
Two scenarios of new governance
Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:

The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
“In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”
Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:

The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
“The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.
“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:
“The Commission extensively examines various documents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.
Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.

http://www.crisisgro...y_in_mostar.pdf

[jaime]

http://www.crisisgro...y_in_mostar.pdf

that's really long

[Amory]

It would probably be most politically expedient for the Vatican to continue neither approving nor condemning the apparition. By taking a position, the Vatican would doubtless anger one side or the other. Also, if further evidence surfaces either confirming or impugning the apparition's authenticity, the Vatican will be able to spin its official opinion to make it look like it was on the right side the whole time.

[jaime]

It would probably be most politically expedient for the Vatican to continue neither approving nor condemning the apparition. By taking a position, the Vatican would doubtless anger one side or the other. Also, if further evidence surfaces either confirming or impugning the apparition's authenticity, the Vatican will be able to spin its official opinion to make it look like it was on the right side the whole time.

I disagree completely! If the apparitions are false, the Church has to tell us as soon as possible to protect the pilgrims. I don't think mugrumping is a good idea if the commission thinks it's been faked.

[arfink]

I think the whole reason they are having the commission is entirely because there is reasonable concern that it may indeed be faked. I would think they couldn't uphold the status-quo though, otherwise they wouldn't have called the commission in the first place. They obviously intend to change something, one way or another.

[beatitude]

I thought that the Church never tried to form a judgment on the authenticity of something like this until the apparitions have stopped happening?

I do worry about the welfare of some pilgrims, especially those who become very passionate about the whole Medjugorje experience and get hostile and defensive with Catholics who don't see it as they do. For some of them, Medjugorje becomes the Gospel, and this is not how it is supposed to be for any private revelation.

[Hasan]

that's really long

Yeah. And probably not that interesting. I just had to read it like two years ago for a paper and thought anyone really interested might find it useful if they wanted to get an idea of the local political shenanigans.

[eagle_eye222001]

Holy Mother Church was designed to safeguard Her occupants and provided a vehicle for the Kingdom of Earth on Heaven....errrrr....Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

That assumed, Her proclamations don't give an iota if it hurts your feelings. Hello Pope Paul VI and Humanae Vitae.

Why there is increased attention with Medja-whatsit I don't know. But apparently She has decided it's time to end the idle speculation for Y reasons. And if the fallout means losing X people......well so be it. Hello King Henry VIII and Martin Luther.



I have my position on the matter backed by reasonable reasoning backed by saintly examples in the church......but that won't mean diddly squat when She proclaims what She has found out.....and I'll happily subscribe to Her proclamation.