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[eagle_eye222001]

It should be free to defend yourself (ie. no payment for firearm registration...much less pepper spray). Interesting enough, we can't ask for photo ID for someone to prove who they are to vote (according to democrats), but we can make all kinds of monetary restrictions when it comes to a constitutional amendment to defend yourself.

Is firearm payment registration the near equivalent of a poll tax?

Edited by Lil Red, 12 August 2012 - 12:43 PM.

[ThePenciledOne]

I would say no.

[Hasan]

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Interesting enough, we can't ask for photo ID for someone to prove who they are to vote (according to democrats), but we can make all kinds of [/font][font='Segoe UI', ', ', 'Helvetica Neue', ', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif} ']monetary restrictions when it comes to a constitutional amendment to defend yourself.

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floopy my turtle. Just floopy my turtle.

Edited by Hasan, 17 July 2012 - 12:44 PM.

[eagle_eye222001]

I would say no.

why not?

[Hasan]

why not?

Well, first google 'poll-tax' and discover just what a poll-tax is. Then reread your question. That should clear up the mystery.

[ThePenciledOne]

Because it doesn't follow at all.

You register to vote.

And the fact that arming yourself is dangerous and it should have restrictions upon it. That way it's not like a 16 year old is going into any old store to buy a rifle.

I'm a fan of the 2nd amendment, but this is ridiculously slanted and hating on democrats, which is dumb.

[Hasan]

I'm a fan of the 2nd amendment, but this is ridiculously slanted and hating on democrats, which is dumb. a post by eagle-eye

Fxd.

[arfink]

I'm a fan of the 2nd amendment, but this is ridiculously slanted and hating on democrats, which is dumb.

I am not at all convinced that your conclusion follows from the OPs post. And thus you have earned yourself the following:

[Hasan]

I am not at all convinced that your conclusion follows from the OPs post. And thus you have earned yourself the following:

It follows perfectly.

The OP presented a comically contrived argument which evidenced a lack of understanding of not merely the second amendment but even the very definition of a poll-tax. The argument was contrived to bash democrats which is a shame because there are plenty of arguable things to bash democrates for that don't involve intellectually whoring yourself out to make the most bass ackwards argument that I've seen in months.

Edited by Hasan, 17 July 2012 - 01:04 PM.

[ThePenciledOne]

Fxd.

It follows perfectly.

The OP presented a comically contrived argument which evidenced a lack of understanding of not merely the second amendment but even the very definition of a poll-tax. The argument was contrived to bash democrats which is a shame because there are plenty of arguable things to bash democrates for that don't involve intellectually whoring yourself out to make the most bass ackwards argument that I've seen in months.

Thank you. For both posts haha.

[Winchester]

Voting isn't a human right. It's a legal right. Owning property is a human right. There is nothing immoral in owning a firearm. It's not equivalent to a poll tax. It's equivalent to robbery, though.

[Hasan]

Voting isn't a human right. It's a legal right. Owning property is a human right. There is nothing immoral in owning a firearm. It's not equivalent to a poll tax. It's equivalent to robbery, though.

Who says owning property is a human right but voting isn't?

[Winchester]

Who says owning property is a human right but voting isn't?

Me. Duh.

[ThePenciledOne]

Me. Duh.

It's as much of an idea of classical liberalism as the idea that voting is a human right. In fact, rights did not even belong to Man until after the Enlightenment.....

[Hasan]

Me. Duh.

Hippies don't have a say.

[eagle_eye222001]

A poll tax was designed by the local governments back in the day to limit voting.

The government charging someone for the ability to defend one's self is designed to discourage and limit one from exercising their second amendment's rights.


So maybe it can be argued you should have to register, but again, you shouldn't have to pay for the right

Because it doesn't follow at all.

You register to vote.

And the fact that arming yourself is dangerous and it should have restrictions upon it. That way it's not like a 16 year old is going into any old store to buy a rifle.

I'm a fan of the 2nd amendment, but this is ridiculously slanted and hating on democrats, which is dumb.

.

My argument has nothing to do with age.

Maybe you can argue that you have to register, but do you have to pay to register to vote?

[Hasan]

There are no human rights. There are just legal rights and those are really just the rights that the powerful are willing to enforce through violence.

[Hasan]

A poll tax was designed by the local governments back in the day to limit voting.

It wasn't just local governments.

The government charging someone for the ability to defend one's self is designed to discourage and limit one from exercising their second amendment's rights.

The right to defend yourself and the Second Amendment are two different matters. The Second Amendment says absolutely nothing about any individual have the right to defend themselves. It speaks solely about the inability of the federal government to revoke the right of individuals to bear arms. It doesn't say what they have a right to do with those arms (like use them to defend their individual life and property) and it has never been taken to mean that the government can't tax arms or registration. You also have a right to purchase food. That doesn't mean that the government can't tax food or has a constitutional obligation to ensure that you have the means to obtain food.

So maybe it can be argued you should have to register, but again, you shouldn't have to pay for the right.

You don't have to pay for the right. You have the right to own a gun even if you never actually own one.

My argument has nothing to do with age.

Your argument has nothing to do with a lot of things.

Edited by Hasan, 17 July 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[eagle_eye222001]

It wasn't just local governments.



The right to defend yourself and the Second Amendment are two different matters. The Second Amendment says absolutely nothing about any individual have the right to defend themselves. It speaks solely about the inability of the federal government to revoke the right of individuals to bear arms. It doesn't say what they have a right to do with those arms (like use them to defend their individual life and property) and it has never been taken to mean that the government can't tax arms or registration. You also have a right to purchase food. That doesn't mean that the government can't tax food or has a constitutional obligation to ensure that you have the means to obtain food.




You don't have to pay for the right. You have the right to own a gun even if you never actually own one.



Your argument has nothing to do with a lot of things.

Local governments = state governments and such that did it.

Right to defend your life is under the roof of the phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your right. I don't have to defend my life with it. I can just own a gun for various personal reasons.

Taxing arms and registration infringes my right because it places obstacles before it. Then it is no longer a right, but more of a reward or purchased item.

I have a right to purchase food? Where is that listed in the Bill of Rights?

Pretty sure I do pay for the right when I exercise my right. Or all those D.C. residents and nearly the whole country are lying about what they are paying to register their firearm.

[Hasan]

Local governments = state governments and such that did it.

That's interesting. So the often used phrase of "state and local government" is a redundancy in your mind.

Right to defend your life is under the roof of the phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where? The constitution says absolutely nothing about the second Amendment having anything to do with an individuals right of self-defense. The only defense related rational indicated in the language of the amendment is that of national, collective defense. But please feel free to just continue making poo up.

Your right. I don't have to defend my life with it. I can just own a gun for various personal reasons.

Yep.

Taxing arms and registration infringes my right because it places obstacles before it. Then it is no longer a right, but more of a reward or purchased item.

Ok. Then taxing food is unconstitutional. So is taxing liquor.

I have a right to purchase food? Where is that listed in the Bill of Rights?

Ninth Amendment.

Pretty sure I do pay for the right when I exercise my right. Or all those D.C. residents and nearly the whole country are lying about what they are paying to register their firearm.

Not sure what the floopy you're talking about here.