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I am not in the "consecrated state of life" in terms of Church Law, but I am in the consecrated state of Baptism and Confirmation. And, according to Vita Consecrata already quoted, I can also be regarded as being in "the consecrated life".  I can assure you that I live quite literally poor, chaste and obedient in every way and as my private vows (and soon a rule of life) will define.

For the sake of others who have not studied the matter as deeply as you, I highly recommend our Hermit Sr. Laurel's posts on dedicare and consecrare on her blog.  Again, I am glad you are happy in your calling and wish you the best.

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Dame Agnes "Since I am only a mother"

 

 

My eyes widened when I read "only a mother".  Motherhood - a vocation that asks heroic self sacrifice very often - and without any pats on the back.  Just sleepless nights sometimes - and hard work days - often days and nights when one is burdened by tremendous doubt (sometimes) about whether what one is actually doing is the correct or best way to go.  I ran into an old ironing client of mine today who was rushing by and off her feet doing a grocery shop in time to pick the children up from school.

 

Heaven will sort everything out for all of us and then we will all be saints without exemption.  Mine will be a long long stint in Purgatory I know............if I manage to avoid mortal sin until death.  If not, that I get to Confession before death, please Lord.

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Well, I am glad that you are happy with your definition of consecrated virginity.  I'm not sure that I understand it, or that others would find it very helpful.  At least, though, you understand the vocation and that's all that matters for you.  The rest of us, though, may find it more helpful to know more about this vocation in the Church.

 

Thank you.

 

..............LOL.......

 

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For the sake of others who have not studied the matter as deeply as you, I highly recommend our Hermit Sr. Laurel's posts on dedicare and consecrare on her blog.  Again, I am glad you are happy in your calling and wish you the best.

 

I prefer what Pope John Paul II had to say, all due respect.  While I rather regularly access Sr Laurel's site and there is much that is very helpful indeed, I don't always embrace all she has to state.

 

I truly wish you all the best also!

 

"Thanksgiving for the consecrated life

2. Because the role of consecrated life in the Church is so important, I decided to convene a Synod in order to examine in depth its significance and its future prospects, especially in view of the approaching new millennium. It was my wish that the Synodal Assembly should include, together with the Bishops, a considerable number of consecrated men and women, in order that they too might contribute to the common reflection.

We are all aware of the treasure which the gift of the consecrated life in the variety of its charisms and institutions represents for the ecclesial community. Together let us thank God for the Religious Orders and Institutes devoted to contemplation or the works of the apostolate, for Societies of Apostolic Life, for Secular Institutes and for other groups of consecrated persons, as well as for all those individuals who, in their inmost hearts, dedicate themselves to God by a special consecration."

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I prefer what Pope John Paul II had to say, all due respect.  While I rather regularly access Sr Laurel's site and there is much that is very helpful indeed, I don't always embrace all she has to state.

 

That's fine.  BarbaraTherese, I know you are well read.  Sr. Laurel writes about how the contemporary Church (as in the writings of Pope John Paul II and Vatican II) uses the words "dedicare" and "consecrare".  I find her writing on the matter very helpful for people who would like to know more about lay dedication.  I myself don't agree with everything she writes but I do agree with this and I think it is very helpful, which is why I posted it.

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  May I also propose a similar example for you to consider? I have heard that sometimes a single child may feel like they are being bullied in the playground because a group of others don't like the way they are dressed or the way they talk.  I am not saying you are doing this, because I feel you are genuinely trying to help, but I do feel that is enough for one person to intervene and that the number of people who have tried to correct me has been excessive.

 

Thank you for bringing up bullying ABC. As a  teacher I sat through 16 hrs of PD on bullies. So let me tell you what I have learnt about them.

 

Bullies seek out and bother other people for their personal enjoyment. They say and do things they know will cause pain and upset. They tease, mock and ridicule others.  When confronted with their behavior they deny it or pretend not to understand why it is hurtful. Bullies are frequently social isolates who are ostracized from their peer group. They are internally insecure and act out as a form of compensation. When their behavior meets with resistance or defense, the bully himself retreats and may complain of bullying from the peer group; his victims are "mean" etc.

 

I encourage everyone to read through this thread, and consider carefully whether they have engaged in bullying behavior. Be honest with yourself, make corrections, and then go forward aware that you have engaged with others that way in the past, so as to be on the alert for any tendency in the future.

 

 

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Thank you for bringing up bullying ABC. As a  teacher I sat through 16 hrs of PD on bullies. So let me tell you what I have learnt about them.

 

Bullies seek out and bother other people for their personal enjoyment. They say and do things they know will cause pain and upset. They tease, mock and ridicule others.  When confronted with their behavior they deny it or pretend not to understand why it is hurtful. Bullies are frequently social isolates who are ostracized from their peer group. They are internally insecure and act out as a form of compensation. When their behavior meets with resistance or defense, the bully himself retreats and may complain of bullying from the peer group; his victims are "mean" etc.

 

I encourage everyone to read through this thread, and consider carefully whether they have engaged in bullying behavior. Be honest with yourself, make corrections, and then go forward aware that you have engaged with others that way in the past, so as to be on the alert for any tendency in the future.

 

And they can group up because they feel power in numbers.  Lillabettt, please consider leaving this thread because you have contributed nothing to the actual discussion on consecrated virginity.

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 Lillabettt, please consider leaving this thread because you have contributed nothing to the actual discussion on consecrated virginity.

 

Really? I'm sorry you don't see the value of a reminder about what bullying looks like. I think the reminder itself is a helpful contribution. Do you not think it is helpful for people, especially on the internet, to examine themselves on this during a heated discussion?

 

Or are you offended because you are opposed to examining yourself on this point?

 

I humbly suggest that may not be a wise course of action. You pointed out before that as a CV you are responsible for your own examen, which is a difficult thing. It requires a great deal of honesty, courage and self-evaluation.
 

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Please consider leaving the thread if you cannot contribute in a positive manner to the topic of what it means to be a Bride of Christ.  This is the 3rd or 4th time you have attacked me.  Another ad hominem, and I will report you to the mods for harassing behavior.

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Please consider leaving the thread if you cannot contribute in a positive manner to the topic of what it means to be a Bride of Christ.  This is the 3rd or 4th time you have attacked me.  Another ad hominem, and I will report you to the mods for harassing behavior.

 

I considered it, but I have to say it is unlikely. I make it a point to keep up with this thread, and others where you are active, to see if my friends are being pushed around.

 

I hope this will always be a community where people are made to feel uncomfortable and embarrassed by rude or condescending behavior. I am determined to do my part to make it so. So please know that if you are rude to my friends again, you will be embarrassed again.  100% guarantee.

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Just to refresh everyone's memory: Per Phatmass Guidelines,

 

Do not post:

  • PERSONAL ATTACKS - A post or comment that does not relate to the topic, but is specifically meant to upset or criticize another person or group of people.

I think that the above particularly applies to people who have proudly proclaimed that they are following me in all my threads to criticize me as they see fit without even contributing towards a better understanding of the thread topic!.  This is unwarranted and similar to stalking.  Can we please get back to talking about this vocation?  Please!

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Everyone, please realize that first there are statements attacking me for being to harsh and rude in my writing style.  I've attempted to adjust this accordingly to the best of my ability.  Now, I am accused of sounding condescending and patronizing!  All I wanted was to share this vocation with an open dialogue with Phatmassers for people who are discerning so they are aware of what it is and secondly to explore it.  Can we please get back to talking about this vocation?  Please!  Thank you.

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Everyone, please realize that first there are statements attacking me for being to harsh and rude in my writing style.  I've attempted to adjust this accordingly to the best of my ability.  Now, I am accused of sounding condescending and patronizing!  All I wanted was to share this vocation with an open dialogue with Phatmassers for people who are discerning so they are aware of what it is and secondly to explore it.  Can we please get back to talking about this vocation?  Please!  Thank you.

 

ABOC,

What more needs to be said?  You and others have talked this vocation to death.  If people want more information than what has been covered in these 25+ pages then perhaps they can do some old fashion "Googlin".... There is plenty of information out there.

 

Just let this thread die.  That would be the best thing.   Please. 

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when you report me, please make an effort to spell my screen name correctly.

I even spell it in my profile picture. L, i, triple L, a, b, e, triple t.

It even rhymes.

see?

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ABOC,

What more needs to be said?  You and others have talked this vocation to death.  If people want more information than what has been covered in these 25+ pages then perhaps they can do some old fashion "Googlin".... There is plenty of information out there.

 

Just let this thread die.  That would be the best thing.   Please. 

 

Well, nobody forced you to read this thread or respond to it from out of the blue.  People are interested and it would be nice if you would kindly respect our wishes to have a discussion on what it means to be a bride of Christ.  I will not be bullied into having the thread die just because some people without any positive contributions want it gone.  If you want it to die down, don't post! 

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I must confess that I've suddenly found myself wondering if AbrideofChrist really exists, or whether she's a troll seeking to bring consecrated life into disrepute. It would, admittedly, be an awful lot of work to do, dredging up all these arguments, but stranger things have happened.

 

Okay, having said that, if she is a troll perhaps it's best to just ignore her. And even trolls need prayer.

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Well, nobody forced you to read this thread or respond to it from out of the blue.  People are interested and it would be nice if you would kindly respect our wishes to have a discussion on what it means to be a bride of Christ.  I will not be bullied into having the thread die just because some people without any positive contributions want it gone.  If you want it to die down, don't post! 

Who would have thought there would be "bridezillas" in the consecrated life.  I mean really....Goodness gracious! Great balls of fire! 

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Has anyone else read the book published by the CCCB on consecrated virginity called Ever Ancient Ever New?  It is a very interesting book with a lot of helpful insights.  Here's something the author says about discernment of vocations:

 

Discernment requires a potential candidate for consecrated life to spend time trying to decipher if he or she is genuinely called to live a formal consecrated way of life in the Church.  When a person becomes conscious that he or she might be called to a religious vocation, the initial step is to determine what he or she would like to be.  Religious life takes many forms: for a man, a priest, a religious brother, or a member of a secular institute; for a woman, a nun or a religious sister or a consecrated virgin or a member of a secular institute.  Each form is different and the person discerning a religious vocation needs to understand the similarities and differences of these vocational states.  [emphasis mine]

 

There's a useful chart included in the book to show how the vocations are inter related and what their similarities and differences are.  I can't post the chart here because of formatting issues, but I do think it is quite interesting.

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I came by to catch up on the latest posts, but I can’t read a blooming thing due to the drive-bys unloading buckshot in people’s eyes!

 

(All the while whimpering that they are the victims and they are sick and tired of the unpleasant behavior. My, my, my.)

 

I guess the only thing left now is to be amused.

 

Thanks to everyone who has tried to soldier on and keep the discussion going. I appreciate it!

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