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[mortify]

This is a video of the Mass of the Faithful as celebrated in the extraordinary form. The priest's voice becomes virtually inaudible as he begins to pray the most sacred part of the liturgy, a practice once used universally to show reverence. As the mass continues, notice how the Priest handles the Host, and how he positions his finger and hands in prayer and holding the chalice after touching the Body of Christ. These practices are the result of a thousand plus years of meditating on the doctrines revealed to us, and in comparison to what we see today, we see how much we have forgotten.

[Slappo]

I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon.

[Basilisa Marie]

I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon.

Why an inaudible canon?

[NonNovi]

I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon.

I don't think that it's allowed in the NO. The ordinary form doesn't have different voices like the extraordinary form.

But ad orientem and with a priest making his gestures and handling the host and chalice with the same respect and attention as in the EF, the difference between OF and EF is very small.

Edited by NonNovi, 18 August 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[Slappo]

The GIRM doesn't specify the voice of the priest, so there'd be nothing wrong with an inaudible canon. It would actually be keeping with long standing practice of the Latin Rite, so there doesn't need to be specific rubrics to continue saying the canon inaudibly.

Why an inaudible canon?

Because it more clearly indicates that the priest is praying to God, not telling a story to the congregation. Both ad orientem and an inaudible canon assist with this. Obviously the way the priest prays can be an indicator that he is praying to God not telling a story to the people though and an inaudible canon isn't necessary for this relationship to be understood.

Edited by Slappo, 18 August 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[Groo the Wanderer]

soon. more like 50 years or so.

I foresee a merging of the EF and NO forms of the Holy Mass. Taking the best of both.

[Nihil Obstat]

soon. more like 50 years or so.

I foresee a merging of the EF and NO forms of the Holy Mass. Taking the best of both.

As long as the traditional Propers are given back their rightful place... That was perhaps the most significant loss of the Pauline Missal, speaking from the perspective or organic development and liturgical patrimony.

Edited by Nihil Obstat, 18 August 2012 - 05:25 PM.

[mortify]

I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy

Anyone else notice how the Priest always keeps his thumb and index finger together after holding the Eucharist? I think its around 7:18. I always found that practice rather profound.

[Nihil Obstat]

I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy

Anyone else notice how the Priest always keeps his thumb and index finger together after holding the Eucharist? I think its around 7:18. I always found that practice rather profound.

More than that, what would be the downside of restoring that rubric? Nothing at all.

[mortify]

More than that, what would be the downside of restoring that rubric? Nothing at all.

Why not restore the whole thing...

[Nihil Obstat]

Why not restore the whole thing...

Why not indeed.

[Lil Red]

I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy

explain please.

[NonNovi]

explain please.

If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate".

[Basilisa Marie]

If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate".

I agree. While there definitely can be loads of participation even with an inaudible canon...it doesn't really help facilitate full, conscious and active participation.

Because it more clearly indicates that the priest is praying to God, not telling a story to the congregation. Both ad orientem and an inaudible canon assist with this. Obviously the way the priest prays can be an indicator that he is praying to God not telling a story to the people though and an inaudible canon isn't necessary for this relationship to be understood.

I must have grow up with great priests then, because I've never really gotten the impression that the priest was "telling a story" to the congregation.

[USAirwaysIHS]

If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate".

"That's not what 'participation' is" in 3...2...1...

[Lil Red]

If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate".

so that's a good thing?

[FuturePriest387]

The GIRM doesn't specify the voice of the priest, so there'd be nothing wrong with an inaudible canon. It would actually be keeping with long standing practice of the Latin Rite, so there doesn't need to be specific rubrics to continue saying the canon inaudibly.



Because it more clearly indicates that the priest is praying to God, not telling a story to the congregation. Both ad orientem and an inaudible canon assist with this. Obviously the way the priest prays can be an indicator that he is praying to God not telling a story to the people though and an inaudible canon isn't necessary for this relationship to be understood.

I never realized until now that he was praying to God. I of course knew the Mass was a prayer, but it never occurred to me that he was praying to God rather than telling a story, as you suggest.

[Brother Adam]

I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy

That is what a missal is for. When we go to the Mass we are approaching Calvary. It is our job to be attentive

[FuturePriest387]

That is what a missal is for. When we go to the Mass we are approaching Calvary. It is our job to be attentive

Yes. As unliked as he is on here, Michael Voris says that Mass has become too much about the community and not enough about the sacrifice.

[jazzytakara]

I love the reverence displayed in the video, and I enjoy going to different types of mass. But as a converting Catholic so to speak (RCIA this fall), I like being able to hear what is going on, as a way to understand the mass better. I remember my first Latin Mass, I didn't know how to read the missal and I was so lost. I am sure the more I learn, and the more I experience other masses out side of OF, the more I will be able to partisipate with out being glued to leaflets. =)