CatholicCid Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345783581' post='2473355'] Let's say everybody who smokes a pipe in the above poll smokes the least amount they can to be in the highest tier (2x a month). A 2 oz tin of tobacco lasts me about 20 bowls, I'd say, which comes out to .1 oz per bowl. That's 2.8 - call it 3 - grams per bowl. Two times a month is 6 grams a month. The smallest increment on the graphs of the data of that study were 5 grams [i]a day, [/i]or about three bowls. That's about 25 times as much as our hypothetical person would smoke in a month. Not to mention that most people said they don't even smoke that much. If you do anything 25 times as much as a normal person does it, you're opening yourself up to health problems. [/quote] I would assume the surveyed Swedes like their pipes, so must smoke quite a bit, as the data seems to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I guess so! It does seem that Europeans have maintained a stronger bond with their tobacco than we...perhaps chalk that up to the aforementioned puritanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='CatholicCid' timestamp='1345827808' post='2473547'] No, that means that 27% of their sample size (~25,000 Swedes) did. [/quote] So either a really poorly gathered sample, or Swedes smoke like chimneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='GeorgiiMichael' timestamp='1345778975' post='2473301'] And I'm still saying that most of us who smoke cigars and pipes probably wouldn't answer yes to that question because it minor recreational use really doesn't affect one's overall health and we don't think of ourselves as "users". Maybe it's technically perjury, [/quote] Actually, it's considered fraud. [quote name='GeorgiiMichael' timestamp='1345778975' post='2473301'] but so is saying you weigh 10 lbs less than you do on your driver's license. [/quote] Weight varies over time. The insurance companies are intersted in your weight as of the date of the application (or insurance physical), which may be years after your driver's license was last updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345782277' post='2473329'] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv5s8pb1SM1qb37fc.gif[/img] "Possible relationships of death rates and other forms of tobacco use were also investigated in the seven studies. The death rates for men smoking less than 5 cigars a day are about the same as for non-smokers. For men smoking more than 5 cigars daily, death rates are slightly higher. There is some indication that these higher death rates occur primarily in men who have been smoking more than 30 years and who inhale the smoke some degree. The death rates for pipe smokers are little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even for men who smoke 10 or more pipefuls a day and for men who have smoked pipes more than 30 years. " "Among the pipe smokers there were 28 percent who inhaled in the U.S. study and 18 percent in the Canadian study. [b]The U.S. mortality ratios are [/b] [b]0.8 for non-inhalers[/b] and 1.0 for inhalers; the Canadian data contain too few deaths to allow a breakdown by inhalation. " [url="http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/ResourceMetadata/NNBBMQ"]http://profiles.nlm....Metadata/NNBBMQ[/url] What the bolded means is that pipe smokers who do not inhale the smoke have a mortality ratio of .8. A mortality ratio of 1 means that there is one death per expected death, i.e. average lifespan. ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_mortality_ratio"]http://en.wikipedia....mortality_ratio[/url]) A ratio of less than 1 means that the lifespan is actually (gasp) [i]longer[/i] than expected. In other words, pipe smokers who do not inhale live longer, on average, than the typical non-smoker. [/quote] Are you disputing the fact that in general (there are some exceptions) tobacco users are charged a higher premium than non-tobacco users? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 It really depends on what insurance you have. I don't get a physical or anything for my insurance plan. Not even a questionnaire to fill out. I work for state government if anyone's curious, and my premiums are very small as the majority is paid for as part of my benefits package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) I was also surprised to find that my insurance/company didn't ask about tobacco. Of course, I'm not sure it's any worse than being obese, and that wasn't asked either... But they do give a voluntary survey which can get you discounts on your insurance... Edited August 24, 2012 by ardillacid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345754191' post='2472910'] The Tat thread has me curious . [/quote] I don't want to be anywhere near smoking, so I answered no on both. Winchester posting a picture of a girl in reference to me is only a matter of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonNovi Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 No on both. I only smoke incense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1345853348' post='2473765'] No on both. I only smoke incense [/quote] I bet that tastes... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345856360' post='2473795'] I bet that tastes... interesting. [/quote] Yeah, just like your...na, that would be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345848374' post='2473709'] It really depends on what insurance you have. I don't get a physical or anything for my insurance plan. Not even a questionnaire to fill out. I work for state government if anyone's curious, and my premiums are very small as the majority is paid for as part of my benefits package. [/quote] [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1345852552' post='2473756'] I was also surprised to find that my insurance/company didn't ask about tobacco. Of course, I'm not sure it's any worse than being obese, and that wasn't asked either... But they do give a voluntary survey which can get you discounts on your insurance... [/quote] A lot of the "group" plans don't, but that has been changing in recent years due to employers' concerns about the rising cost of employee health insurance costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345836706' post='2473622'] I guess so! It does seem that Europeans have maintained a stronger bond with their tobacco than we...perhaps chalk that up to the aforementioned puritanism. [/quote] Maybe. I think it has more to do with socialized medicine personally. They don't care about getting cancer because the government has to pay for it not them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1345819233' post='2473462'] I smoke a pipe. Although compared to Master Airways, I am but a lowly novice. I need a new pipe actually. I'm thinking of making my own next time around, we'll see. [/quote] Crack pipes don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1345819233' post='2473462'] I smoke a pipe. Although compared to Master Airways, I am but a lowly novice. I need a new pipe actually. I'm thinking of making my own next time around, we'll see. [/quote] I've experimented with making a corn cob pipe before. I rushed the process though, so they didn't really turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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