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EmilyAnn
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348522465' post='2486125']
I appreciate your honest question, but could you please be more specific about what in the Holy Rule is impossible to follow today? Certain aspects are no longer applicable, but this happens with any of the rules. I would think this would happen the least in St Clare and St Francis' Holy Rules, since they are so brief compared to, say, the Rule of Saint Benedict, which is very detailed-although as the Father of Western Monasticism, he has that license. :P
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Even the Rule of St. Benedict has to be adapted to the modern-day in places - it is like 1500 years old after all!

I remember Mother Mistress talking about this sort of thing in one lesson. I can't remember exactly what she said, but the general impression I got was that the Rules do sometimes need some interpretation and some things are impractical to follow nowadays but what is important is that they adhere to the Rule as much as is practically possible and that changes they make are in the spirit and charism of their founder. Like I said, the Rule of St. Benedict is 1500 years old. The Rule of St. Clare is like 800. The world has changed a lot since the times of the great religious founders.

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emmaberry
[quote name='Totally Franciscan' timestamp='1348515470' post='2486069']
Emmaberry, I thank you so much for the beautiful post above about Mother Mary Francis. How I miss her. I never knew her, of course, but I feel as though I have known her through her writings, her photos, and personal emails to me from someone who knew her. The photo above with a final profession nun is my favorite. One can see so much in Mother's face at that moment. What a blessing it is to see her final resting place. What a blessing that you will live there where she lived and to have her close to you as you live your Poor Clare life. I am so full of joy that you have received your entrance date. Please say a prayer for me and for all of us here at Phatmass when you first go to Mother's final resting place that Mother will look down on all of us and intercede to her Spouse for all our intentions. I will be praying for you. God bless.
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Totally Franciscan, this is beautiful and really touching. May God reward you for your kindness and encouragement. I will do just that when I see Holy Mother Francis' resting place..no doubt it will be an emotional experience. I am sure she is watching with special care over the Roswell PCCs and over us all from 'her foundation in Heaven' as she would say.


[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1348523693' post='2486149']
Even the Rule of St. Benedict has to be adapted to the modern-day in places - it is like 1500 years old after all!

I remember Mother Mistress talking about this sort of thing in one lesson. I can't remember exactly what she said, but the general impression I got was that the Rules do sometimes need some interpretation and some things are impractical to follow nowadays but what is important is that they adhere to the Rule as much as is practically possible and that changes they make are in the spirit and charism of their founder. Like I said, the Rule of St. Benedict is 1500 years old. The Rule of St. Clare is like 800. The world has changed a lot since the times of the great religious founders.
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Yes, you are so right that it happens in every rule somewhere along the way! One example of this in the Rule of Saint Clare is the prescript that "the nuns who don't chant the Office should recite ____ number of Pater Nosters." This is not applicable today, because everyone can read and chant the Office, but back then nearly all women (even the well-bred) were illiterate. I am sure there are tons of other examples in her Rule, and in Saint Benedict's as well. It would be interesting to read a book just on this subject.

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1348498548' post='2485981']
The Franciscan Sisters Minor are the only Poor Clare Community in the world that follows the original Rule of Saint Claire and everything it says to do.
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FP, I love you, but I don't know if this is true. I read something that said these Sisters eat meat when it is donated to them, for example, and that is not in accord with the Rule of Saint Clare. However, it is in perfect accord with Saint Francis' charism of poverty, so they must be focusing on that in this matter. These Sisters obviously observe the Rule in a very vibrant and disciplined way, I am not trying to put them down! They are a wonderful group, but I think there are other Poor Clares who follow the original Rule, not the mitigated version allowed by Pope Urban which allowed for communal property ownership. Also, the Colettine is not a mitigated version of Saint Clare's original Rule, it is a reversion to the rigorous primitive observance from the time of Saint Clare and Saint Francis. Sometimes following the original Rule and nothing else does not equal a more disciplined observance of said rule, though this doesn't seem to be the case in these Sisters' (I should say nuns' now!) case.


[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348522465' post='2486125']
Also, I need to note that there are OSC (Poor Clares of the Primitive Observance)
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I should have edited this to say that 'there are OSC Poor Clares who follow almost every Colettine discipline, but I have never seen any who go barefoot.'

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PhuturePriest
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348535555' post='2486263']
FP, I love you, but I don't know if this is true. I read something that said these Sisters eat meat when it is donated to them, for example, and that is not in accord with the Rule of Saint Clare. However, it is in perfect accord with Saint Francis' charism of poverty, so they must be focusing on that in this matter. These Sisters obviously observe the Rule in a very vibrant and disciplined way, I am not trying to put them down! They are a wonderful group, but I think there are other Poor Clares who follow the original Rule, not the mitigated version allowed by Pope Urban which allowed for communal property ownership. Also, the Colettine is not a mitigated version of Saint Clare's original Rule, it is a reversion to the rigorous primitive observance from the time of Saint Clare and Saint Francis. Sometimes following the original Rule and nothing else does not equal a more disciplined observance of said rule, though this doesn't seem to be the case in these Sisters' (I should say nuns' now!) case.
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Oh, I hope I didn't offend you in any way. This is simply what they said on the site. You could be perfectly right.

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348535555' post='2486263']FP, I love you, but I don't know if this is true. I read something that said these Sisters eat meat when it is donated to them, for example, and that is not in accord with the Rule of Saint Clare. However, it is in perfect accord with Saint Francis' charism of poverty, so they must be focusing on that in this matter. These Sisters obviously observe the Rule in a very vibrant and disciplined way, I am not trying to put them down! They are a wonderful group, but I think there are other Poor Clares who follow the original Rule, not the mitigated version allowed by Pope Urban which allowed for communal property ownership. Also, the Colettine is not a mitigated version of Saint Clare's original Rule, it is a reversion to the rigorous primitive observance from the time of Saint Clare and Saint Francis. Sometimes following the original Rule and nothing else does not equal a more disciplined observance of said rule, though this doesn't seem to be the case in these Sisters' (I should say nuns' now!) case.


I should have edited this to say that 'there are OSC Poor Clares who follow almost every Colettine discipline, but I have never seen any who go barefoot.'
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Yes, I have never seen an OSC community go barefoot either. But yes, besides that, the St. Louis OSCs seem to follow everything else, like rising at midnight. Also these OSCs founded from Boston in Japan seem very much like the Colettines too, [url="http://poorclare.org/japan/"]http://poorclare.org/japan/[/url]

I'm with you Emma .. if I was to go Poor Clare, I'd go straight for the Colettines!! (if that were God's will of course) I love how they call St. Colette their Holy Mother also. And I love St. Colette, period :saint: She had a long struggle until she knew what God wanted from her .. and she was a recluse! :ninja: :pray:

In Rockford I learned also from Mother Dominica that there was a Colettine community in Avila when St. Teresa was founding her first monastery (San Jose) and she drew a lot of inspiration from them (she also had a vision of St. Clare, which I used to have a holy card of!!) Mother also told me St. Teresa wanted barefeet like them but wasn't granted it. I had never heard that one before. I will have to look it up, but I trust Mother Dominica's knowledge .. pretty neat! :like:

About the Poor Sisters of St. Clare, yes you would still call them Sisters as they are not technically Nuns yet, as they would have to be officially in the Order and profess Solemn Vows. They are not a religious institute at this point but a Public Association of the Faithful, so their vows are private and not public as religious vows are, as posted about [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/122938-franciscan-sisters-minor-now-poor-clares/page__st__40#entry2474550"]here[/url]. Not to say anything against them! Please forgive me! Just stating the facts. Many religious communities in the history of the Church took a long time to be finally official, etc. and were full of saints already :saint: (like St. Clare of Montefalco's community for instance .. or even Sts Francis & Clare themselves!!)

Another strict Poor Clare observance are the Poor Clares of the Immaculate. I don't know their history by heart, but their (four I think) monasteries in Italy were Poor Clare monasteries before (I [i]think[/i] OSC.. Urbanists I remember hearing, not sure exactly what that would be then, OSC?) and then they became PCs of the Immaculate - Clarisse dell'Immacolata. I don't know all that much about them, but I did notice they have double grilles in their video :like:

Love this soo much! :heart:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1KmarrhR0&feature=share&list=PL0DFB72E9DD955C61[/media]


More about them here, [url="http://www.mtstfrancis.com/index.php/franciscans/poor-clares-of-the-immaculate"]http://www.mtstfranc...-the-immaculate[/url]

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[size=5][color=#000000][font=perpetua, garamond, serif][background=rgb(243, 243, 243)]The Poor Clares of the Immaculate [u]live according to the original Rule of our Holy Mother Clare, with no mitigations[/u], and the Traccia Mariana, a document drawn up by our founder, Fr. Stefano M. Manelli, which gives clear indications on how to faithfully live out the charism of Sts. Francis and Clare in the modern world, following the example and teachings of St. Maximilian M. Kolbe. They wear a grey-blue habit (like the friars and sisters), with a sky-blue veil and the Miraculous Medal worn over the breast. [/background][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=perpetua, garamond, serif][background=rgb(243, 243, 243)]The three existing monasteries are located in Italy, but young women from other parts of the world (including the U.S.A.) have begun to enter the Order as well, which gives us hope that in a few years' time they will begin to found monasteries in other countries, and on other continents.[/background][/font][/color][/size]
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edit: actually, if I were fluent in Italian (and if it were up to me! It's God's decision!) I'd go first to the Clarisse dell'Immacolata :love: Love the Colettines just as much though! :like: Edited by Chiquitunga

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348454637' post='2485854']So I spoke to Mother today and....


drumroll....


I am entering on January 13th, Our Lord's Baptism and Holy Mother Colette's date of birth! Yay!
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Emmaberry, that's wonderful!!!!!! :woot: :nun1: :clap: :nun2:

Congratulations!!! :nun3: <-- p.s. our nun emoticons really look like postulants, don't they? well, in this case it works well :proud:

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emmaberry
[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1348540991' post='2486320']
Oh, I hope I didn't offend you in any way. This is simply what they said on the site. You could be perfectly right.
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No, of course you didn't offend me FP! :) I figured the FBM (is this an incorrect abbreviation of their title?) site said this-BTW, I really enjoy their very comprehensive website. They are an amesome group :like:, and I love the brotherly bonds they have with the Sisters!

Is this the part you were referring to?:
"This means that they will be a Cloistered Contemplative Community embracing the radical living of St. Clare’s original Rule, something that, as far as we know, no other monastery is doing. Particular to our Sisters will be the Rule of poverty and the Marian Vow."

If so, that makes sense. I am glad they included the 'as far as we know' because these kinds of things are always up for debate, since they are so often due to interpreting the Founder/Foundress and their intentions in the Holy Rule. I am sure Pax, who is applying to the Sisters (!!), would know more about their daily life regarding the Rule. I love the Sisters embrace of poverty, which is so Franciscan! The Marian vow is lovely as well

[topic='120097']Here[/topic] is a topic that addresses this, ultimately, they didn't come to a decision, but it adds more information into the mix!

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PhuturePriest
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348547298' post='2486358']
No, of course you didn't offend me FP! :) I figured the FBM (is this an incorrect abbreviation of their title?) site said this-BTW, I really enjoy their very comprehensive website. They are an amesome group :like:, and I love the brotherly bonds they have with the Sisters!

Is this the part you were referring to?:
"This means that they will be a Cloistered Contemplative Community embracing the radical living of St. Clare’s original Rule, something that, as far as we know, no other monastery is doing. Particular to our Sisters will be the Rule of poverty and the Marian Vow."

If so, that makes sense. I am glad they included the 'as far as we know' because these kinds of things are always up for debate, since they are so often due to interpreting the Founder/Foundress and their intentions in the Holy Rule. I am sure Pax, who is applying to the Sisters (!!), would know more about their daily life regarding the Rule. I love the Sisters embrace of poverty, which is so Franciscan! The Marian vow is lovely as well

[topic='120097']Here[/topic] is a topic that addresses this, ultimately, they didn't come to a decision, but it adds more information into the mix!
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Oh, I see. That is what I was referring to, and thank you for making these distinctions. It's very important so I don't end up hurting someone's feelings, which I never want to do.

And yes, FBM is an accepted abbrevation, though the Friars usually do FFM, so they must refer to themselves as the Franciscan Friars Minor or something.

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ChristinaTherese
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1348545388' post='2486348']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1KmarrhR0&feature=share&list=PL0DFB72E9DD955C61[/media]
[/quote] Chiqui, that's a [i]beautiful[/i] video.... :love:

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Julie de Sales
Thanks for the answers, I didn’t thought that nowadays there are some Poor Clares that try to observe the Rule, even the most difficult prescriptions. I asked this question because the sisters I visited (Urbanist Poor Clares) eat meat, sleep in a normal bed, do not rise at midnight and can speack at the parlour in private. There are a lot of mitigations and I wondered if now this is the rule…I’m glad that some branches follow the footsteps of St Clare regarding the austerity and I will try to find out more about St Colette.

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emmaberry
Edit: [quote name='Julie de Sales' timestamp='1348557767' post='2486416'][color=#222222][font='Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]

Thanks for the answers, I didn’t thought that nowadays there are some Poor Clares that try to observe the Rule, even the most difficult prescriptions. I asked this question because the sisters I visited (Urbanist Poor Clares) eat meat, sleep in a normal bed, do not rise at midnight and can speack at the parlour in private. There are a lot of mitigations and I wondered if now this is the rule…I’m glad that some branches follow the footsteps of St Clare regarding the austerity and I will try to find out more about St Colette.
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Your very welcome! I remember you saying that you were visiting some Urbanist Poor Clares. Of course not all Urbanist Poor Clares have so many mitigations (I like this word better than lax-I am sorry for using that word earlier concerning these nuns.) Like Chiquitunga said, the PCs of the Immaculate are pretty rigorous in their observance and they are fully (or partially) Urbanist. Of course, Clares who follow a very mitigated rule of life are not bad or any less daughters of Saint Clare, but I would guess there may be some joy lacking in those communities, as observant PCs are known for their penance and their joy, and these two are inextricably intertwined for the nuns. However, when St Colette was reforming the Franciscan Order to its primitive fervor and observance, she did not look down on the Urbanist Poor Clares or any of the Franciscans who live a more comfortable life than that of Holy Father Saint Francis and Holy Mother Saint Clare. I recommend Walled In Light, which is a great bio (reads like a novel) of St Colette by Mother M Francis. I was pleased when I read it and found that when St Colette was put in charge of a house of mitigated Poor Clares, she would never force these nuns to observe the original disciplines of the Rule. She would simply teach the original way of life to new postulants, and her sweetness and loving-kindness eventually won most of these Urbanist Poor Clares over to her reform anyway.

You could probably find 'Colettine' Poor Clares who do not follow the way of life as strictly as they should, so it is not like one group or branch is good and one is bad or anything like that..In the end this just means we poor discerners have to do a lot of research, but it keeps us on our game! :detective:[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4][quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1348545388' post='2486348']
Yes, I have never seen an OSC community go barefoot either. But yes, besides that, the St. Louis OSCs seem to follow everything else, like rising at midnight. Also these OSCs founded from Boston in Japan seem very much like the Colettines too, [url="http://poorclare.org/japan/"][color=#001ba6][u]http://poorclare.org/japan/[/u][/color][/url]

I'm with you Emma .. if I was to go Poor Clare, I'd go straight for the Colettines!! (if that were God's will of course) I love how they call St. Colette their Holy Mother also. And I love St. Colette, period. She had a long struggle until she knew what God wanted from her .. and she was a recluse!

In Rockford I learned also from Mother Dominica that there was a Colettine community in Avila when St. Teresa was founding her first monastery (San Jose) and she drew a lot of inspiration from them (she also had a vision of St. Clare, which I used to have a holy card of!!) Mother also told me St. Teresa wanted barefeet like them but wasn't granted it. I had never heard that one before. I will have to look it up, but I trust Mother Dominica's knowledge .. pretty neat!

About the Poor Sisters of St. Clare, yes you would still call them Sisters as they are not technically Nuns yet, as they would have to be officially in the Order and profess Solemn Vows. They are not a religious institute at this point but a Public Association of the Faithful, so their vows are private and not public as religious vows are, as posted about [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/122938-franciscan-sisters-minor-now-poor-clares/page__st__40#entry2474550"][color=#001ba6][u]here[/u][/color][/url]. Not to say anything against them! Please forgive me! Just stating the facts. Many religious communities in the history of the Church took a long time to be finally official, etc. and were full of saints already (like St. Clare of Montefalco's community for instance .. or even Sts Francis & Clare themselves!!)

Another strict Poor Clare observance are the Poor Clares of the Immaculate. I don't know their history by heart, but their (four I think) monasteries in Italy were Poor Clare monasteries before (I [i]think[/i] OSC.. Urbanists I remember hearing, not sure what that is) and then they became PCs of the Immaculate - Clarisse dell'Immacolata. I don't know all that much about them, but I did notice they have double grilles in their video

Love this soo much!
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[color=#232323][size=4]I LOVE the PCs of the Immaculate! If they were closer to me, I really would have had to give them a look (a very long and hard look!) Yes, the Colettines are wonderful! I am realizing more and more that the different branches and reforms of every order (except the Carthusians of course!) each take on not only different disciplines and focuses on certain aspects of the charism but also just different personalities. I love both the Colettines rigorous penance and also that unique joy that is particular to themselves. Not to say they are the only joyful Sisters, but each community/branch manifests their joy in a unique way.[/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]That is so interesting about Saint Teresa of Avila! The Discalced Carmelites and the strict PCs are like sisters in many ways! In fact, one of the portresses at the Monastery I am joining has a sister who is in Carmel, I am guessing Discalced. They are different, of course, but similar enough to where many discern both..I know I did! Like I said in the previous paragraph, the Carmelites just have a 'feeling' that is all their own, as do the PCCs. For that matter, I think it is so true that you are not called to 'Carmel' or to be a 'Poor Clare' in general but there is a call to a specific community..and of course each community has its own 'vibe' as well! [/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]I went to the Japan PC website, and ohmygoodness I LOVED the articles on how the PC life merges with the Japanese culture. I learned a lot from reading a little... I love that! :like:[/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4][quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1348545998' post='2486351']
Emmaberry, that's wonderful!!!!!!

Congratulations!!! <-- p.s. our nun emoticons really look like postulants, don't they? well, in this case it works well
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[color=#232323][size=4]They DO look like postulants-at least most cloistered communities' postulants. :hehe: And May God reward you for your kindness![/size][/color]

[color=#232323]Sorry-somehow all the quoted smilies stopped working when I quoted them. :([/color]






[color=#232323]This might already be posted on VS: [url="http://stlouisreview.com/article/2012-07-25/prayers-sweat-and-joy"]http://stlouisreview...s-sweat-and-joy[/url], but I really enjoyed the video and article on the St Louis OSCs. [/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]Additional pix of this community: [url="http://stlouisreview.photoshelter.com/image?_bqG=1&_bqH=eJxtj91qwzAMhZ.muRmMjJFSAr5wLS.INHbnn0J6I9ISaEtHRzbY.vazQtnCNl3I3znysdH6pR.MbKqOoLbXrdwdH.utO8EZP8pFWeTlQ56qRAKvxOvlMtztz93QZ0geZNCzYtk0swLExABgA2BitanY5DPZ.ndU_43q_6MKQzt.FtKYQdlogmsJvWVpHWqTZmgNS_Tk9EpLr.Em11PtrQvCSVNn44IkDYj3xNFrRwgi8vJXzO8_cT4_np7TaIMuRLkiWWmjWr6UkVoSpodT9IbxG93TDzaMUgXx1nfD_pBtxnQ1dsX9CxhSclE-I_IDI0000q7DLeTHvw_4"]http://stlouisreview...0000q7DLeTHvw_4[/url][/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]The nun on the top right in the group photo is this nun:[/size][/color]
[color=#232323][size=4][/size][/color]
[color=#232323][img]http://stlouisreview.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif[/img][/color]


[color=#232323][size=4]I think this is her as well: [/size][img]http://stlouisreview.com/sites/default/files/poor_clare.sister.jpg?1294778424[/img][/color]
[color=#232323][size=4]"Sister Mary Christiana recently left behind everything she had and professed, for the rest of her life, the vows of poverty, chastity, obedience and enclosure, so that she might live the Gospel in entire poverty, just as Christ did."[/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]This as well: [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/04/goldie-electronic-device-for-nuns"]http://www.guardian....device-for-nuns[/url][/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]And this: [url="http://www.bellevillemessenger.org/archive/030112/poorclares.aspx"]http://www.bellevill...poorclares.aspx[/url][/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4]Question: What is this Belleville PCC (I believe it is the Mother Abbess) from the previous article holding in her left hand??? [/size][/color]

[color=#232323][size=4][img]http://www.bellevillemessenger.org/images/poor-clares1.gif[/img][/size][/color]

[color=#232323]Random PC image of the day: [img]http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/upload/48132289738087733_P24wncIq_b.jpg[/img][/color] Edited by emmaberry

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emmaberry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0z4sU1QefM

A tape I bought at the Monastery. It is Mother Francis' address to the Secular Franciscans in honor of the 800th anniversary of Holy Father Saint Francis and the founding of the Seraphic Franciscan Order. Her voice is very unique, even among nuns I have not heard a similar voice-very delicate.


Nice site on the Rockford PCCs (might already be on VS): [url="http://genealogytrails.com/ill/winnebago/poorclares.htm"]http://genealogytrails.com/ill/winnebago/poorclares.htm[/url]

Accompanying picture:

[img]http://genealogytrails.com/ill/winnebago/poorclares.jpg[/img]



Random Poor Clare image (sorry for all the black & white!):

[img]http://www.gloria.tv/thumbnail/2010-02/media-50761-2.jpg[/img]

Also, new blog post pertaining to the bond that is already forming with my Sisters and speaking to the Portress on the phone recently: [url="http://entitledtopoverty.blogspot.com/"]http://entitledtopoverty.blogspot.com/[/url]

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VeniJesuAmorMi
Many prayers for you Emmaberry! This is such an exciting time. :)

I really enjoy the information and pictures on this thread. I found it really interesting about St. Teresa of Avila and the barefeet! I also never heard that before, but it is great to know about. Another thought after seeing all these beautiful nun photos; I'm not very interested in material things and I never ask for them either .... but I really want a black veil. :hehe:

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348563370' post='2486419'][color=#232323]This might already be posted on VS: [url="http://stlouisreview.com/article/2012-07-25/prayers-sweat-and-joy"]http://stlouisreview...s-sweat-and-joy[/url], but I really enjoyed the video and article on the St Louis OSCs. [/color]

[color=#232323]Additional pix of this community: [url="http://stlouisreview.photoshelter.com/image?_bqG=1&_bqH=eJxtj91qwzAMhZ.muRmMjJFSAr5wLS.INHbnn0J6I9ISaEtHRzbY.vazQtnCNl3I3znysdH6pR.MbKqOoLbXrdwdH.utO8EZP8pFWeTlQ56qRAKvxOvlMtztz93QZ0geZNCzYtk0swLExABgA2BitanY5DPZ.ndU_43q_6MKQzt.FtKYQdlogmsJvWVpHWqTZmgNS_Tk9EpLr.Em11PtrQvCSVNn44IkDYj3xNFrRwgi8vJXzO8_cT4_np7TaIMuRLkiWWmjWr6UkVoSpodT9IbxG93TDzaMUgXx1nfD_pBtxnQ1dsX9CxhSclE-I_IDI0000q7DLeTHvw_4"]http://stlouisreview...0000q7DLeTHvw_4[/url][/color]

[color=#232323]The nun on the top right in the group photo is this nun:[/color]

[color=#232323][img]http://stlouisreview.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif[/img][/color]


[color=#232323]I think this is her as well: [img]http://stlouisreview.com/sites/default/files/poor_clare.sister.jpg?1294778424[/img][/color]
[color=#232323]"Sister Mary Christiana recently left behind everything she had and professed, for the rest of her life, the vows of poverty, chastity, obedience and enclosure, so that she might live the Gospel in entire poverty, just as Christ did."[/color][/quote]

Yes, was it was here, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/123240-poor-clare-nuns-st-louis-mo-short-video/"]http://www.phatmass....mo-short-video/[/url] but I had never seen all of those pictures of them in the second link there and this one of Sr. Mary Christiana. Thank you! :)

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ChristinaTherese
I love this part of your blog post:[quote][color=#999999][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif][background=rgb(242, 234, 232)] [/background][/font][/color]I asked her to pray for my little sister, who is sick with a cold and whose birthday is tomorrow. The Portress asked her name then said, "How fitting since this is the Year of Faith! ...This next year will be our Year of Emma!" (Feel free to 'guess' my little sister's name.) I told her that I hope I will persevere to the completion of this ‘Year of Emma.’ We joked that perhaps the 'Year' will turn into years, then decades, and so on.[/quote] It shows such a wonderful sweetness.... :love:

Edit: :offtopic: And I really like the name Sr. Mary Christiana. Not that that has to do with the rest of the post, but the name is at the end of the post above mine. (My middle name is Christine, hence part of my screen name and my appreciation for that name.) Edited by Christina Thérèse

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Pax_et bonum
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348547298' post='2486358']
No, of course you didn't offend me FP! :) I figured the FBM (is this an incorrect abbreviation of their title?) site said this-BTW, I really enjoy their very comprehensive website. They are an amesome group :like:, and I love the brotherly bonds they have with the Sisters!

Is this the part you were referring to?:
"This means that they will be a Cloistered Contemplative Community embracing the radical living of St. Clare’s original Rule, something that, as far as we know, no other monastery is doing. Particular to our Sisters will be the Rule of poverty and the Marian Vow."

If so, that makes sense. I am glad they included the 'as far as we know' because these kinds of things are always up for debate, since they are so often due to interpreting the Founder/Foundress and their intentions in the Holy Rule. I am sure Pax, who is applying to the Sisters (!!), would know more about their daily life regarding the Rule. I love the Sisters embrace of poverty, which is so Franciscan! The Marian vow is lovely as well

[topic='120097']Here[/topic] is a topic that addresses this, ultimately, they didn't come to a decision, but it adds more information into the mix!
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St. Clare's rule is just so beautiful and practical! She wants her sisters to fast year-round, but if someone can't, an exception can be made. They go barefoot, but if it's too cold, they wear socks. Like you said before about meat, it fits perfectly with Francis's poverty that they eat any food that is donated. Since they don't buy anything themselves, it might be kind of rude to accept some donations but not others when they rely on their neighbors' generosity. I don't think they can accept monetary donations which people know, but that's different from turning away someone who went to all the effort of grilling meat for them. And actually, the rule doesn't say anything about meat.

The only things I'm not sure about is if they have other sisters listening when one is speaking in the parlor. They do have curtains on their grilles, but they pulled it back when they spoke with me. I don't know that they have it closed for family visits either, maybe they do. I think they follow pretty much everything in Clare's Rule except her advice on the bolts on the cloister door or chapel grille.

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[quote name='Pax_et bonum' timestamp='1348799189' post='2487486']
St. Clare's rule is just so beautiful and practical! She wants her sisters to fast year-round, but if someone can't, an exception can be made. They go barefoot, but if it's too cold, they wear socks. Like you said before about meat, it fits perfectly with Francis's poverty that they eat any food that is donated. Since they don't buy anything themselves, it might be kind of rude to accept some donations but not others when they rely on their neighbors' generosity. I don't think they can accept monetary donations which people know, but that's different from turning away someone who went to all the effort of grilling meat for them. And actually, the rule doesn't say anything about meat.

The only things I'm not sure about is if they have other sisters listening when one is speaking in the parlor. They do have curtains on their grilles, but they pulled it back when they spoke with me. I don't know that they have it closed for family visits either, maybe they do. I think they follow pretty much everything in Clare's Rule except her advice on the bolts on the cloister door or chapel grille.
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Hahaha. I think the bolts on the cloister door and chapel grille are an acceptable exception. :hehe:

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emmaberry
My 'quoting' is not working! I will reply to the posts-I am so sorry if it is confusing not being able to read the user's original posts!

Christina Therese: Yes, Christiana is a beautiful name! Apparently, it is sought after in the Poor Clares, because I have seen a lot of PC Sisters from all over with 'Christiana' in their name. It is lovely, and I like how you incorporated it into your username.

Yes, what the Portress said was very sweet-I was actually taken aback by it, and glad that we were having the conversation over the phone so she couldn't see my expression. :hehe: I thought perseverance in the community you are about to enter was off-limits for conversation. Glad this is not the case! I have a feeling any communities who refuse to talk about the possibility of staying or leaving are probably pretty cold if you do in fact leave. Also, it may have something to do with the amount of girls the Roswell Poor Clares has seen come through its doors. In 75, Dear Mistress was saying it was their 'baby boom.' They had 16 postulants! That is up there with the beautiful and highly popular Dominican Sisters. There are plenty of cons to a large community versus a smaller one, but one definite pro is that the leaving process is usually more comfortable, or so I've heard. I am sure some people in large communities have been treated poorly when they decided to leave, though, so it's not a hard and fast rule. :detective:

Pax: I was hoping you would see this and reply! I really liked what you said in the other thread, though I knew it was from 6 months ago when you weren't applying to your Sisters (!) so I hoped you'd be back and possibly have more to say! I am sure you learn more about your Sisters every time you visit and even more so as you take the different steps toward entrance-I know I am learning more every day. :like:

Pix from a PCC booklet I scanned (okay, so it's a picture of a picture... surprise! :|):

[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LE20ZLWIjUk/UGUmitJAMOI/AAAAAAAAAQI/fzhgjpNUKJw/s512/IMG_1643.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kE5v4oIl47s/UGUmpxjTJMI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/4qxvvqCWI3U/s512/IMG_1645.jpg[/img] <--Dear Mistress :love:
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-gfSJrnX2E_M/UGUlfQ62DPI/AAAAAAAAAPs/_KOgz3Sr6BM/s512/IMG_1646.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NFCWiKQJ6Vw/UGUmBBgjnxI/AAAAAAAAAP0/lsWE0_278TM/s512/IMG_1647.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wVEEy9J32FY/UGUmY01iHHI/AAAAAAAAAQA/T1s-Q_mG4VE/s800/IMG_1648.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4jy17AodQSg/UGUnRjZPlbI/AAAAAAAAAQY/_IHWFWW8ro4/s640/IMG_1649.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MuT-HT3SI_U/UGUnq_hYzBI/AAAAAAAAAQs/A9sgpCldD9E/s512/IMG_1650.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tJWgkku843o/UGUnio3N_rI/AAAAAAAAAQg/iwGDojuMAVw/s512/IMG_1651.jpg[/img]
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tJWgkku843o/UGUnio3N_rI/AAAAAAAAAQg/iwGDojuMAVw/s512/IMG_1651.jpg[/img]



I am wondering at what point I should begin clearing out my room. I am going to keep essentials and some other things I would like to have should I leave, but I needed to have a 'make way' day (as Mother Francis termed the throw-out-all-unnecessary-clutter days in the Monastery) anyways. In my (comparatively!) short time on VS reading other's countdown threads, it seems they often wait until the last minute to get rid of clutter and other mundane things of that sort before entering. It may be wise to wait

I would post these uninteresting thoughts on the blog, but I don't want it to be about me. Ideally, I'd post enough substantive stuff on the Poor Clares that when I leave, hopefully some girl(s) come across it and consider a contemplative, possibly PCC, vocation. I would also like it to be less about me and more about the beauty of the life because Mother requested that I 'spread the word'! I don't think a blog is what she had in mind, but I am sure everyone can identify with not feeling like you can do as much as you would like to help your Sisters, so when they give you anything to do for them, it is so exciting that we might tend to go overboard.

Also (if anyone is still reading!) I think I am going to run one last marathon with my dad before entering. The problem is that these things require a good 50+ hours of training, and I don't know when I would do that. I don't think the Missionaries of Charity are going to let me take 'running breaks'! My parent's kind of forbid me from running by myself in a random Dallas neighborhood, so that's definitely not going to happen. My dad and I usually 'run for a cause' and raise money for this cause. I asked Mother if we could raise money for the Monastery and she said that is allowed, but we have to handle all the finances in a fundraising situation. I didn't understand this-aren't they a 501c3? The internet says they are. Do you think this might be a Franciscan thing, where they cannot handle money at all, but we can give it to them? Although that still doesn't make sense, because there's no 'handling' of the money taking place..it would just be accepting donation, which will probably all be from my parish, because none of my non-Catholic circle is going to donate to the 'evil nuns'. :hmmm:

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Pax_et bonum
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348814617' post='2487535']
Christina Therese: Yes, Christiana is a beautiful name! Apparently, it is sought after in the Poor Clares, because I have seen a lot of PC Sisters from all over with 'Christiana' in their name. It is lovely, and I like how you incorporated it into your username.

Pax: I was hoping you would see this and reply! I really liked what you said in the other thread, though I knew it was from 6 months ago when you weren't applying to your Sisters (!) so I hoped you'd be back and possibly have more to say! I am sure you learn more about your Sisters every time you visit and even more so as you take the different steps toward entrance-I know I am learning more every day. :like:
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According to one book I read on St. Clare, Francis used to call Clare "Christiana" so that might have something to do with it.

I've been busy and wanted to go back and reread the Rule before I posted, so there you go! Must run to class now!

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VeniJesuAmorMi
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348480044' post='2485934']
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rly_XhVK1FA/TLe1j8l4hqI/AAAAAAAAAPY/aCqP8NwOpTU/s1600/DSC02290+Sisters+have+a+new+dog,+a+stray,+Juniper.JPG[/img]

:love: the dog!


Oh, I also set up a blog. It has nothing on it, yet, so don't rush over there all at once. :|
[url="http://entitledtopoverty.blogspot.com/"]http://entitledtopoverty.blogspot.com/[/url]
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Awww! That picture with the dog is so sweet. Its the same kind of dog that we have. We have two: Tinkerbell is a mini so she's really tiny and a little princess (spoiled little thing.) Then there's Captain Jack; he's sweet too. :) ... The dog that they have at the monastery that I was in was really spoiled. Everyone just loved her. I could imagine that its the same way with all communites that have pets.

Great blog too! The way its set up is beautiful.

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andibc
[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1348814617' post='2487535']
I would also like it to be less about me and more about the beauty of the life because Mother requested that I 'spread the word'!
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I'm quite sure this is not on your list of things to do and might even seem repulsive at first, but would you consider vlogging the last part of your discernment journey? I'm sure you're familiar with "New Catholic Generation" vloggers. Many of them are just beginning the discernment process. If you don't have the interest in video taping yourself and figuring out youtube (or maybe you are already there and I'm not making the connection) I know of a few NCG vloggers who would likely be interested in interviewing you...maybe on skype or some other way. It would help get the word out about PCC and help NCG goal of following the Pope's call to use technology to evangelize.

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