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#1 TheLordsSouljah

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:42 AM

Umm, so in Aus we never tip. Sometimes it can even be seen as an insult to tip. It all just comes in the pay packet.

 

In the US, what's the deal with tipping? who do you tip? how much?

I just don't want to be rude over there. 

 

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#2 Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:37 AM

depends on the quality of service i'm told. And you fib, we have optional tipping at restaurants and cafes and bars etc in aus, well where i live there is a tip jar at the payment desk of all of these. If you don't get any answers i will give you my answer if you like. I think there are so many different systems for tipping in the u.s , from state to state and on another level individual systems. Perhaps saying which state or states you are going to will help our brothers and sisters give you the best directions for tipping.


Edited by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye, 16 January 2014 - 08:40 AM.


#3 CrossCuT

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:45 AM

I used to be on the quality of service, but now its the unwritten rule that you tip 15-20%. If you dont then you are considered a poo head.

 

I am in favor of NO tips and having the employers pay their workers enough.

 

I dont see why the customers are accountable for paying their employees as well as the fact that it is not fair that a waiter/waitress working at Denny's will get a smaller tip than someone working at a high end restaurant solely based on the fact that the food price is different. They do the same job. One just works at a place with higher priced entrees. 

 

Why should I tip one person $5 for a burger at one place and $10 for a burger at the other?


Edited by CrossCuT, 16 January 2014 - 08:46 AM.


#4 SilentJoy

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:15 AM

I used to be on the quality of service, but now its the unwritten rule that you tip 15-20%. If you dont then you are considered a poo head.

 

I am in favor of NO tips and having the employers pay their workers enough.

 

I dont see why the customers are accountable for paying their employees as well as the fact that it is not fair that a waiter/waitress working at Denny's will get a smaller tip than someone working at a high end restaurant solely based on the fact that the food price is different. They do the same job. One just works at a place with higher priced entrees. 

 

Why should I tip one person $5 for a burger at one place and $10 for a burger at the other?

 

Those are some REALLY expensive burgers, if that's a 15% tip.  :sos:

 

If you go to a full-service restaurant, where the waiter/waitress comes to the table, takes your order, delivers you food, refills your coffee, takes care of your dishes, etc., you would tip about 15%. At a fast-food restaurant where you go to the counter and place your order and take care of your own dishes, no tip is expected.

 

I'm not aware of very many other times that the average person would be expected to offer a tip, but that depends on the services required; I rarely ask a professional to cut my hair, but when I do, I give them a couple bucks extra. Little things like that.



#5 CrossCuT

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:22 AM

Those are some REALLY expensive burgers, if that's a 15% tip.  :sos:

 

Im obviously not being very precise. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:41 AM

Im obviously not being very precise. 

 

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:43 AM

:cheers:



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:44 AM

:cheers:

 

OH, I get it...that's why the burger was so expensive, it came with plenty of beer.



#9 CrossCuT

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:59 AM

OH, I get it...that's why the burger was so expensive, it came with plenty of beer.

I can neither confirm nor deny


Edited by CrossCuT, 16 January 2014 - 09:59 AM.


#10 BG45

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:59 AM

15-20% at a sit down restaurant, nothing at fast food. Unfortunately, a lot of employers in the U.S. don't follow federal law when it comes to waiters and waitresses.  Under federal law, the employer is supposed to make up any difference in tips between the $2 or so they're paid, and minimum wage.  Many, however, don't actually do that, so the servers really end up living on the tip money.   If you order pizza for delivery, it's in good form to tip the driver, because they often pay their own gas costs.  

 

While I'm going to sound like a jerk for saying this, if you're treated horribly, then you shouldn't feel as though you have to tip.  An example of what I mean is a time my theology on tap group was out at a bar we always went to at the time.  Our waiter was attentive, talkative, always kept refilling the drinks.  Once our last friend got there, who was both black and quite openly gay, the waiter all but refused to come back to our table.  We had to go get him to take further drink orders, and he never said a word, just glaring at us.  Then he would take 20+ minutes to bring the drinks again, if we didn't go and get him again, and he waited until our food was cold to bring it out.  At the end of the night, I paid him $20 for a $16 meal and he kept my change and then disappeared, while everyone else paid with a card.  Not my proudest moment, but I took out my red editing pen, wrote on the back of a paper placemat, something to the effect of, "Since you stole my change, here's a tip for you. DON'T STEAL FROM REGULARS [profane word here]!"  Ended up emailing the owners about it, getting an apology and a gift card and assured the guy had been fired because this was far from the first racist or homophobic complaint about him, and haven't been back there since with the group.

 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

Look up Mr Pink on tips, a clip from the film Reservoir Dogs

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:35 AM

While I'm going to sound like a jerk for saying this, if you're treated horribly, then you shouldn't feel as though you have to tip.  An example of what I mean is a time my theology on tap group was out at a bar we always went to at the time.  Our waiter was attentive, talkative, always kept refilling the drinks.  Once our last friend got there, who was both black and quite openly gay, the waiter all but refused to come back to our table.  We had to go get him to take further drink orders, and he never said a word, just glaring at us.  Then he would take 20+ minutes to bring the drinks again, if we didn't go and get him again, and he waited until our food was cold to bring it out.  At the end of the night, I paid him $20 for a $16 meal and he kept my change and then disappeared, while everyone else paid with a card.  Not my proudest moment, but I took out my red editing pen, wrote on the back of a paper placemat, something to the effect of, "Since you stole my change, here's a tip for you. DON'T STEAL FROM REGULARS [profane word here]!"  Ended up emailing the owners about it, getting an apology and a gift card and assured the guy had been fired because this was far from the first racist or homophobic complaint about him, and haven't been back there since with the group.

 

In the tip system, I definitely agree that you should be able to withhold tip from a very poor server. It smells of elderberries that the waiter treated your table so poorly after your other fright arrived. Ugh. Ruffles my feathers.

 

However I still dont like the idea that waiter/waitresses as a whole really DO rely on tips for part of their income. Its a very unstable and unreliable source of income and I dont think it is fair to them. 



#13 Light and Truth

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:17 PM

However I still dont like the idea that waiter/waitresses as a whole really DO rely on tips for part of their income. Its a very unstable and unreliable source of income and I dont think it is fair to them. 

 

A couple states pay them minimum wage that is the same as other fields.

http://www.dol.gov/w...tate/tipped.htm



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:59 PM

I live in Washington, so we don't have a separate wage for tipped employees. But they do have to pay taxes on their times, so come tax season they usually end up paying the government money instead of getting any back. 

 

Tipping allows me to show appreciation in a meaningful way. Sure, I could say "wow the food is great, thanks so much for making my complicated coffee drink, etc" but that doesn't make any real difference in the lives of the people who are serving me. I believe in leaving good tips for servers at my favorite restaurants and cafes, because I've noticed it makes a stronger and quicker impression on them, and in turn I tend to get better service, if I'm a regular. 

 

For me, a standard sit down dinner tip is about 20%, a little more if the server went really above and beyond, and less if it was meh. The only time I've left no tip was when a server was busy, but didn't express any interest in taking anything other than my drink order and didn't bother sending anyone else to check on us. We ended up leaving. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:03 PM

Umm, so in Aus we never tip. Sometimes it can even be seen as an insult to tip. It all just comes in the pay packet.

 

In the US, what's the deal with tipping? who do you tip? how much?

I just don't want to be rude over there. 

 

Sincerely,

Worried.

 

If you're staying at a hotel, it's usually customary to tip the housekeeping staff. Something like a dollar a day, in an envelope marked "housekeeping" or something,  in a conspicuous location. If you take a taxi and the guy helps you with your really heavy bags, it's also usually customary to tip him an extra dollar or two.  But if you don't do either of those things, it's not like it's a giant insult. 

 

Otherwise the general standard is 10%-15% for lunch in restaurants where someone takes your order, and 15%-20% for dinner. 10% is basically seen as the absolute minimum for average service, and even then it's a bit cheap. If you go somewhere like Starbucks and order a customized drink, it's generally considered nice to throw a little money (change or a dollar) in the tip jar. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:07 PM

Not sure if I count as I'm in Aus myself, but I usually don't tip unless the food or service made an impression. I do know someone who, as a rule, tips 10% wherever he goes - even if the food is terrible. I think it varies here, but from my experience it does seem to be an expectation in some places in the US.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:14 PM

We have about an 8% to 9.5% tax on food in my area (some places have a 'local' tax on top of the state taxes... sigh), so one of the easiest ways to calculate right tip is to double the tax!  (and I either round up or down depending on quality of service, because I find it easier to balance whole numbers.  ;)  )

 

I very seldom get service so bad that I don't want to tip at all, but for really poor service I will take it down to 5-10%  That way their taxes are covered (see comments above and below re this) but they don't get any extra $$.   I agree with all that has been said above about the tipping of housekeeping (you can also leave it on a pillow), if someone helps move your luggage, and hairstylists, manicurists, etc.   You also would do it with cab drivers, tour group leaders, etc.

 

I agree that it would be a better option to have everyone paid a living wage/not have to tip... but at least this way one DOES have the option of paying a really nice tip for exceptional service.... and a minimal one to 'reward' substandard service.   It's not ideal, but little is on this fallen planet!!!!

 

AND I make it a point to tell someone who has done an exceptional job that I will be letting their supervisor know what they have done RIGHT and I follow through on that.   And when my mother-in-law was still well enough to go out, she was an absolute terror for any food servers... nothing was ever right, the food always was returned, etc.   I would make it a habit to 'go to the restroom' and station myself in an unobtrusive corner and gesture the wait person over to me (where MIL couldn't see me) and apologize for her behavior, let them know how impressed I was with how the person was handling her, point out that we got to take her home, and would not leave her behind for them (which always made them smile and sometimes giggle), and slip them a small additional tip if I could afford it -- or tell them I wished I could if I couldn't.   I know it made a huge difference for the people.

 

And as someone who worked as an employment counselor... it's pretty common for wait staff to be paid the minimum wage plus a share in tips --- which means that if you lower your tip because of a bad worker, ALL the workers get penalized.  Truly not fair, and I am not sure it is legal... but it is what happens.  AND many employers in my state (and perhaps it is required? consistent throughout the country?) are REQUIRED to withhold a percentage of the employees' wages for taxes... and so if you don't tip, they really get hit 2x.... Just something to keep in mind.  

 

NOT an easy minefield to navigate, is it Souljah?

 

 

 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:26 PM

Tipping is a nightmare at times.

In restaurants and other places it is pretty customary to tip 15-20%. It is ok to drop the amount if the service was bad. Keep in mind though the server only has control over certain things. Don't reduce your tip if it took forever for your food to come out. That is the kitchen's issue and there is pretty much nothing the server can do about it.

 

One other thing to keep in mind is in certain jobs (ie certain airport shuttles)you should not tip the worker, some employers don't allow their employees to accept tips. It is usually pretty clearly stated/posted if that is the case.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:04 PM

I thought this was going to be about cow tipping :(

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:07 PM

There are probably a few humorously-inclined wags who would say it IS about cow tipping!  ;)  :evil:






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