Eastern Catholics (plus Selah) In Here Please

[AugustineA]

I'm interested in liturgy, particularly liturgical prayer. Please share what you know about liturgical prayer in the Byzantine (Aka St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil) tradition. What sort of prayer books do you use? I want to increase my prayer book collection. As Catholics, do you find you're studying the patristic fathers as much as say, the Eastern Orthodox Christians? 

 

Lastly, would you like to go back in time and live in Constantinople as a Byzantine Roman? (not srs... semi srs) 

[marigold]

I don't know if you meant only books, but this might be useful: http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/spiritandtruth

:)

[Selah]

I'm interested in liturgy, particularly liturgical prayer. Please share what you know about liturgical prayer in the Byzantine (Aka St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil) tradition. What sort of prayer books do you use? I want to increase my prayer book collection. As Catholics, do you find you're studying the patristic fathers as much as say, the Eastern Orthodox Christians? 

 

Lastly, would you like to go back in time and live in Constantinople as a Byzantine Roman? (not srs... semi srs) 

 

Well, I am not Catholic, but since my name is in it :D

 

Look up some Akathists. They're very special prayers dedicated to Christ, the Theotokos, saints and angels. Some use them to invoke for specific purposes (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, for instance, is invoked to help for a husband; she's like our heavenly matchmaker!) You can find a whole book of them, or small pamphlets here: http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/- But they are also on the interwebs, so that helps too :) http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/-#festal/c12810 Complines and Canons are also prayed, and of course we also have Vespers, Matins and Hours prayed at certain times of the day. And of course, there is always the Psalter :)

 

Here's one I like a lot:

 

http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/-#festal/c12810/65167

[NotreDame]

I was baptised eastern rite and almost exclusively attended eastern rite until adulthood.  Since about 18 I've gone mostly to Roman rite, but have made an extra effort the last few years to attend eastern rite liturgy, mostly because I really want my sunday mass attendance to be reverent and prayerful and nothing guarantees that like the Eastern Rite.  

 

There are different theological approaches between the rites, but I don't get into all that, though I have dug up some old pre/post communion prayers from St Basil and St John Chrysostom and am trying to make a habit out of those.

 

And yes, I have read and studied up on Constantinople.  It would have been amazing to visit it in its prime.  I want to visit still now, but I'm sure I'll have mixed feelings.  I may have read the wrong books, but the history of the byzantine empire seems a sad one.

[AugustineA]

I don't know if you meant only books, but this might be useful: http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/spiritandtruth

:)

 

Thanks, the link isn't loading for me. Maybe it's just a temporary traffic issue. I've been to that site before though when I was reading the Philokalia. Very nice. 

 

Well, I am not Catholic, but since my name is in it :D

 

Look up some Akathists. They're very special prayers dedicated to Christ, the Theotokos, saints and angels. Some use them to invoke for specific purposes (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, for instance, is invoked to help for a husband; she's like our heavenly matchmaker!) You can find a whole book of them, or small pamphlets here: http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/- But they are also on the interwebs, so that helps too :) http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/-#festal/c12810 Complines and Canons are also prayed, and of course we also have Vespers, Matins and Hours prayed at certain times of the day. And of course, there is always the Psalter :)

 

Here's one I like a lot:

 

http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/-#festal/c12810/65167

 

Well I figured since you were all easterny you could join the convo. :P

Thanks, I was actually looking for the Eastern version of the hours, which you talked about, but it will be nice to include some akathists. I figured out the prayer of the hours is called the Horologion. So as soon as I have enormous ridiculous amounts of expendable cash I'll buy one, lol.

 

I was baptised eastern rite and almost exclusively attended eastern rite until adulthood.  Since about 18 I've gone mostly to Roman rite, but have made an extra effort the last few years to attend eastern rite liturgy, mostly because I really want my sunday mass attendance to be reverent and prayerful and nothing guarantees that like the Eastern Rite.  

 

There are different theological approaches between the rites, but I don't get into all that, though I have dug up some old pre/post communion prayers from St Basil and St John Chrysostom and am trying to make a habit out of those.

 

And yes, I have read and studied up on Constantinople.  It would have been amazing to visit it in its prime.  I want to visit still now, but I'm sure I'll have mixed feelings.  I may have read the wrong books, but the history of the byzantine empire seems a sad one.

 

Very cool. Is the Divine Liturgy you attend in English? I saw on our Byzantine Catholic church's website an explanation of the differences. It explained the Eastern as more poetic, traditional, and emphasizing different theologies of Christ. Yeah, I get the impression the life of the Eastern Roman empire was a bit of a sad affair being the death of an empire, but also a romantic, artistic, and brilliant death. Though the Russians may argue that it lives on in them. :P

[AugustineA]

I'm happy we have some Eastern Catholics (+Selah) that replied. You guys shall be my Eastern posse. 

[Anastasia13]

Maybe this would be of interest to you: http://www.liturgica.com/html/litEOLitEarly.jsp

[AugustineA]

Sure is, thanks. 

[Anastasia13]

Here is a Byzantine Catholic prayer book, available for download: https://archive.org/details/ByzantineCatholicPrayerForTheHome

An (Eastern) Orthodox Prayer book: http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrystosomos (I think that is Chrysostom): http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/liturgy/liturgy.html

Edited March 31, 2014 by Light and Truth

[AugustineA]

Woaaahhhh, I was thinking about that exact prayer book earlier today. I remember a friend showing it to me once. Thank you Light. This is above and beyond. 

[marigold]

I don't know if you meant only books, but this might be useful: http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/spiritandtruth

:)

 

 

Thanks, the link isn't loading for me. Maybe it's just a temporary traffic issue. I've been to that site before though when I was reading the Philokalia. Very nice. 

 

I wonder why that was? I clicked through from here and it was fine. Do try again, I think it could be interesting to you. It's a series of talks explaining the Divine Liturgy step by step.

 

I laughed when I read your comment about expendable cash to buy a book of the hours - some of them are ridonkulously expensive! Luckily, you can find almost everything online if you know where to look :evil:

[Anastasia13]

Glad you like those. :)

Edited March 31, 2014 by Light and Truth

[NotreDame]

Very cool. Is the Divine Liturgy you attend in English? I saw on our Byzantine Catholic church's website an explanation of the differences. It explained the Eastern as more poetic, traditional, and emphasizing different theologies of Christ. Yeah, I get the impression the life of the Eastern Roman empire was a bit of a sad affair being the death of an empire, but also a romantic, artistic, and brilliant death. Though the Russians may argue that it lives on in them. :P

 

I've attended divine liturgies in English, in Slavonic (or modern dialect), and some that were mixed.  This Sunday's was all in Ukrainian. 

 

The theologies of Christ are referred to as High and Low Christology, I believe.  The high being Eastern and focusing on Christ's divine nature and the low being western and focusing on Christ's human nature.  Somebody recently recommended that I read the following on this subject:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Commentary-Divine-Liturgy-Nicholas-Cabasilas/dp/0913836370

 

 

[AugustineA]

I wonder why that was? I clicked through from here and it was fine. Do try again, I think it could be interesting to you. It's a series of talks explaining the Divine Liturgy step by step.

 

I laughed when I read your comment about expendable cash to buy a book of the hours - some of them are ridonkulously expensive! Luckily, you can find almost everything online if you know where to look :evil:

 

Black market religious book trading. :o I would never have thought it of you Marigold. The link's working now, or maybe I just wasn't patient enough because it took a few seconds, lol. :l Thank you

[AugustineA]

I've attended divine liturgies in English, in Slavonic (or modern dialect), and some that were mixed.  This Sunday's was all in Ukrainian. 

 

The theologies of Christ are referred to as High and Low Christology, I believe.  The high being Eastern and focusing on Christ's divine nature and the low being western and focusing on Christ's human nature.  Somebody recently recommended that I read the following on this subject:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Commentary-Divine-Liturgy-Nicholas-Cabasilas/dp/0913836370

 

Fascinating (I say that sincerely not tongue in cheek). Thanks, I'm going to order this on Thursday (my unjustifiable spending day) before I go to the Byzantine Catholic church.

 

I was supposed to go on Sunday but slept in. erg