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Perigrina

I suppose it is another symptom of my general curmudgeonliness that I want to celebrate the Feast of the Ascension on a Thursday.  I am not denying that the bishops have a right to transfer it to a Sunday.  But it always used to be on Thursday and I am grouchy and inflexible.  Ask anybody.

 

Anyhow, if I follow my general pattern of Mass attendance, I will not get Ascension at all, because I normally attend Ordinary Form on weekdays and Extraordinary Form on Sundays.  It looks like the only EF Mass practical for me to attend on Thursday (and thus celebrate Ascension) is an SSPX one.  So that is what I will probably do.

 

I already discussed this with my SD last year, so I know that he is OK with it.  I just thought I would post about it to shock people.  :troll:

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Nihil Obstat

My FSSP priest is not particularly bothered by his parishioners visiting the SSPX too. :secret:

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chrysostom

I've heard at one FSSP parish that some SSPX parishoners came in...but just for confession because they were unsure about their SSPX confessions!  :pinch: The pastor was not very amused...

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Perigrina

I've heard at one FSSP parish that some SSPX parishoners came in...but just for confession because they were unsure about their SSPX confessions!  :pinch: The pastor was not very amused...

 

But really, that is just what they ought to do if they have doubts about the validity of Confession to an SSPX priest.  

 

I know people whom I respect on both sides of the argument and I have not studied it thoroughly enough to form a conclusion either way, but people should not participate in Sacraments which they doubt, no matter what is objectively true.  I am in the blessed position of having many diocesan-approved options for a trustworthy confessor, so I have never had to work this one out.   

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Perigrina

My FSSP priest is not particularly bothered by his parishioners visiting the SSPX too. :secret:

 

My spiritual director does not like me going there, in general, but makes an exception for the sort of situation I described in the OP.

 

I used to attend weekday Mass at an SSPX chapel a lot, back when they were in talks with the Vatican.  Not only did it increase my opportunities to attend the EF, it was also a physical expression of my hopes and prayers for the Society to be regularized.  But I stopped, other than rare exceptions, when the talks broke down.

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chrysostom

But really, that is just what they ought to do if they have doubts about the validity of Confession to an SSPX priest.  

 

I know people whom I respect on both sides of the argument and I have not studied it thoroughly enough to form a conclusion either way, but people should not participate in Sacraments which they doubt, no matter what is objectively true.  I am in the blessed position of having many diocesan-approved options for a trustworthy confessor, so I have never had to work this one out.   

 

I daresay their coming to Confession wasn't the issue but rather their objection to coming to the Masses he was offering, but I really don't know much about the situation.

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Perigrina

I daresay their coming to Confession wasn't the issue but rather their objection to coming to the Masses he was offering, but I really don't know much about the situation.

 

Yes, that makes sense.

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Basilisa Marie

Well, that's what the whole "it's okay for lay people to attend SSPX liturgies" idea is for - for people who are better fed at an EF liturgy but don't have access to a "normal" one (for lack of a better term).  It'd be hard for anyone to make a case that what your doing is wrong, even if they aren't all that sympathetic to the SSPX. 

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Perigrina

Well, that's what the whole "it's okay for lay people to attend SSPX liturgies" idea is for - for people who are better fed at an EF liturgy but don't have access to a "normal" one (for lack of a better term).  It'd be hard for anyone to make a case that what your doing is wrong, even if they aren't all that sympathetic to the SSPX. 

 

We aren't going to be able to get much of a debate going if you have an attitude like that. 

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Nihil Obstat

Would we get to debate if I propose that it is generally ok for a layperson to attend an SSPX Mass even with non-Society options available? :| Just wondering.

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Perigrina

Would we get to debate if I propose that it is generally ok for a layperson to attend an SSPX Mass even with non-Society options available? :| Just wondering.

 

Usually with SSPX, it all depends on why people are attending and other surrounding circumstances.  We can't really say it is always wrong or always right.  But there could be a debate if someone would take either of those positions.  

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chrysostom

Hypothetically, in my case I would first run it by my SD.  But assuming he OKed it, my conscience would also have to deal with what was being taught from the pulpit.  Now I don't know what SSPX priests typically preach about, but if in this hypothetical SSPX-run church they preached about things such as avoiding diocesan-approved Masses - even perhaps T L Ms - then I do not think I could in good conscience remain during such a sermon and give my implicit approval to those words.  Beyond that, I don't know, but again, I'd run it by my SD.

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Nihil Obstat

The one SSPX Mass I have attended had a really first rate homily. The priest essentially said that continuously attacking and tearing down the pope and the bishops does not help the Church or the traditional movement, and that we have to direct more energies towards prayer and building up, with joy and serenity. I do not come even close to doing it justice, but it was an excellent, vibrant homily. No faithful Catholic could possibly have taken issue with it.

And I went into that Mass on high guard. In hindsight, totally unnecessary. The man up there on the pulpit was a faithful priest and Catholic.

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Perigrina

My personal experience with Mass with SSPX priests has been consistently good.  All orthodox and I never heard anything putting down the pope, diocesan structures,etc.  But I've heard that this varies from place to place.  I think a good general principle, if one is considering going,is to discuss it with one's spiritual director or other trusted adviser.

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Perigrina

So I started two topics today.  The one I put in debates has everyone agreeing and the one I put in Open Mic has the debate.  I clearly have not quite got the hang of phatmassing yet. :unsure:

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AugustineA

Heh, that's cool. We have quite a few SSPX people at my FSSP parish, and even the staunch diocesans use SSPX material. Their publications are staunch and high quality. There was an interesting homily last Sunday on ultra-trads which I could tell may have bothered a few of the SSPX brothers and sisters sojourning with us. This one family always sits near me, and I kept seeing the daughters and mother look at the father as if expecting him to say something. 

 

Not a huge deal overall. God is in control of everything, and even the influence of the SSPX has bred traditional groups loyal to the See of Peter which are both experiencing and introducing great vibrance into the Catholic family. We may yet see greater fruit of this situation, at least that's my hope. 

 

 

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Nihil Obstat

Quite frankly I wish I had more opportunities on a local level to cooperate with those Catholics in my city who attend the SSPX Mass. The very last thing I want is to see them with mistrust or hostility. They get more than enough of that already.

Unfortunately, it is unlikely. Our bishop is known for being 'rather' unwelcoming to traditionalists, FSSP and SSPX alike. If he thought our Fraternity priests were collaborating with the Society in any way, it would probably make life that much more difficult for us.

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AugustineA

Really? For some reason I thought of your diocese as being TLM friendly (I can't even believe I said that, like the immortal Mass should become controversial). You have the FSSP and SSPX in a relatively small area. I wonder if the priests ever get together for some friendly competition.. nerf gun fights, water gun fights etc. 

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Nihil Obstat

Really? For some reason I thought of your diocese as being Traditional Latin Mass friendly (I can't even believe I said that, like the immortal Mass should become controversial). You have the FSSP and SSPX in a relatively small area. I wonder if the priests ever get together for some friendly competition.. nerf gun fights, water gun fights etc. 

Well, we are well established, and that works in our favour. But in terms of friendliness, no. Apparently it is an extremely difficult apostolate.

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