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trangederism brings with it a higher risk of suicide and substance abuse. 

 Why is it's okay for a 13 to contemplate such radical surgery?


 At the risk of sounding all sci-fi, if a 13 year old swapping genitalia is normative, what other surgical or genetic procedures will be considered morally acceptable?

why does  raising such concerns  almost immediately get you  branded as a bigot?

there is a big difference between postponing puberty for a few years and completely preventing puberty. These children will never experience natural puberty because the hormone blockers are followed by cross-sex hormones and removal of their natural hormone-producing organs. They will never undergo the essential brain changes that happen during that critical time, and it is recognized that this will have a retarding effect on their cognitive development. Their bones will be brittle, they will be sterile, and they will be at increased risk of cancer and heart disease. Furthermore, early reports still show a great increase in suicide and mental disorders in the population that has received this treatment. Adult transgender "activists" are eager to push as many children as possible into this treatment in order to gain sympathy for their cause, but this is a breathtakingly unethical course of treatment.

 should society treat so-called trangederism a mental illness, rather than a surgical problem?

 

 

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truthfinder

Because the age of puberty has been getting lower, we're actually seeing puberty-delaying hormones in children as young, or younger than, 10.  I'm not sure I've heard any cases for 'full-transition' procedures in North America.  Most places will mandate that children have been on hormone suppression for several years and that they are legally of age to consent for such a procedure (typically being 18).  Although, because of the strong ideological currents pushing behind this, we may certainly get to a time when young teenagers are receiving complete genital surgeries. I have heard that some teenagers are being permitted to have 'top' surgery - either implants, or mastectomies potentially before 18. I'm not sure about the US, but Canada has generally recognized adolescent patients' rights to have say over their health and bodies if they prove to have a mature understanding and can reasonably consent. Arguably, there were some good reasons for putting in such a legislation, but in many cases, such as this or abortion, those deciding if a child is 'competent' will often have an ideological stake in the matter.

Transgenderism was treated as a mental illness.  And technically, it can still be found that way in the DSM under gender dysphoria disorder - but what makes it different from the previous diagnosis of gender identity disorder, is not that the one finds themselves finding that they don't agree with their physical sex, but are very distressed by the dissonance they are experiencing (the diagnosis would include depression resulting from this or self-harm - potentially even self-amputation). So whereas the treatment in the past of counselling the patient to understand that one was a man with a male body, counselling now would consist of counselling the person that indeed they're bodies are wrong and how to put off the self-destructive behaviours long enough to qualify for 'gender-affirming surgery', if that's what they want. Apparently, though, a very large percentage of these children grow out of the desire to want 'affirmation surgeries' - I think it's around 80%. I also couldn't imagine the pressure a child might be under if they lived and believed for several years that they were indeed the opposite sex, that as soon as they turn of age, the push to have the surgeries. The great problem with the transgender movement as it is now, is that while there was a great push for 'affirming' surgeries, the ideologues have moved on and insist that one can be whatever sex/gender they feel like without the accordant surgeries. 

 

Maybe I'll try addressing your questions: in certain subjects, people seem to think that children are little oracles and if they say they are really a boy trapped in a girls body, then by golly they are. Everyone these days is trying to out-accommodate and out-tolerate everyone else. This is particularly seen in institutions with public funding. We know there can be severe problems with sex surgeries. We only have to look to the surgeries preformed on intersex babies. Biblically, we know God made us as man and woman. There's also the saying that hard cases make bad law. I think the same probably goes for medicine. Intersex cases are very much the hardest cases when it comes to gender (that and disorders like androgen insensitivity syndrome). Doctors, and society, have a duty to care for these people - and truly, to do no harm. And we absolutely cannot say that chopping off body parts is a non-harm solution. There'll always be doctors who use the politically and societally accepted methods to follow whatever medically -nouveau theory is around. Whether eugenics or what have you, doctors are never in a morally-neutral position, and unfortunately, they seem to be pushing us further into that brave new world where we construct our own sex, engineer the babies we want, kill off those we don't, and then hasten the death of the vulnerable. 

So, more of a rant from me - but hopefully some answers or something to think about. 

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Mr Cameron

A number of other things have to be considered too. The rate of suicide amongst transgender individuals is hight for a various amount of other reasons. Firstly, a transgender-identifying person already has a mental illness, an intrinsically disordered desire to belong to the sex he or she has not been born to. Factor in the anxiety and fright at not being able to understand why their life must be why it is, a lack of failure from the therapeutic side of good treatment, and the fact that most of these people have severe anxiety already or a major depressive disorder. 

A lot of times these individuals will go through with 'transition' then end up silently regretting it, but in this day and age if one goes through transition he or she will always somehow remain on the periphery of society yet not a fully accepted one, but a highly divinised and heroic one in the eye of media and popular progressive thought. So now what about this person? He regrets his transition, and all his good bits are cut off and he remains in an awkwardness  and distress. This is why the suicide rates go up.

I this occurs before puberty, maybe an individual can more readily accept the transition? But how does someone that young recognise a true desire to be the opposite sex? Its s well-to-do that it could be a fleeting phase of cultural enjoyment.

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little2add
4 hours ago, Mr Cameron said:

But how does someone that young recognise a true desire to be the opposite sex? Its s well-to-do that it could be a fleeting phase of cultural enjoyment.

 Exactly 

It is criminal to  modulate (sexchange)  a pre-pubescent child.   Criminal 

 

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Benedictus

Outcomes are apparently better if some sort of hormone therapy is given earlier rather than later. This doesn't have to include surgery. It's very difficult for families with children experiencing this and combating the ignorance and insensitivity of others who know next to nothing offering their opinions. Prayers that they be guided by knowledgeable professionals and other people. 

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little2add
On 8/1/2017 at 6:12 PM, Benedictus said:

This doesn't have to include surgery.

chemical manipulation is a form of surgery.  do you really think it is wise to give hormone blockers  followed by cross-sex hormones to a young physically developing child?

Hot flashes, night sweats, and other menopause-like symptoms may develop when taking estrogen blockers. Bone or muscle pain, weight gain, and fatigue have been reported by those taking these medications. There may be an increase or a decrease in vaginal secretions by those using this type of drug. While most of these symptoms are mild in nature, dosage adjustments may sometimes be possible if these side effects become particularly bothersome.

Prolonged use of estrogen blockers increases the risks of developing serious side effects or potentially fatal complications. Blood clots may develop at any time during treatment, but the risk dramatically increases with extended use of these drugs. A form of bone loss known as osteoporosis may also occur, leading to a higher chance of fractures. Estrogen blockers may increase the risks of developing breast cancer, ovarian cancer, or other cancers affecting the reproductive system.

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Lucy MVGG

 

I worked with many transgender people over the course of 25 years and accept for one, the rest were really unhappy people and should have received extensive psychological counselling not surgery. A number of high profile transgender folks have gone back to their original gender. 

Biology is what it is unless someone is born with both sets of genitals and I've known one person like this. Although his mother opted for male, it was clear that he should have been a she. It's hard to resist having all of the gender/sexuality nonsense shoved down our throats however subjecting a child to this is nothing short of child abuse. We need to approach people struggling with  gender identity with great compassion however we don't have to buy into the social, non biological ideology. 

There is a good amount of literature available from a Catholic and scientific point of view that is worth reading.

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GKStudent

If I am not mistaken, which I hope I am not. Your DNA, the one you receive at the point of conception, doesn't change. And, the indicative chromosomes once you receive as being either male or female, don't change either. Thus, transgender operations and/or therapies are no more than extensive cosmetic work. Thus, you only appear the other gender. But technically, you are not chromomial wise. Then again, a man or boy who changes his or her physical gender appearance cannot do what the originating gene factor allows that person to do from the point of conception through their developmental life. For instance, a girl who grows up into a woman is able to bear children. And the boy who later develops into a man, can only give her children. The point is, a boy/man who changes his gender organs cannot bear children. And a girl/woman cannot give children. The he now she doesn't have a womb. And the she now he doesn't have the sperm to that brings about human life. Just doesn't work that way.

In conclusion transgender is a fraud operation.

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little2add

 

The policy statement, authored by Johns Hopkins Medical School Psychology Professor Paul McHugh, listed eight arguments on why gender reclassification is harmful.

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1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of health – not genetic markers of a disorder.

2. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one.

3. A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such.

4. Puberty is not a disease and puberty-blocking hormones can be dangerous. Reversible or not, puberty-blocking hormones induce a state of disease – the absence of puberty – and inhibit growth and fertility in a previously biologically healthy child.

5. According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty.

6. Children who use puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex will require cross-sex hormones in late adolescence. Cross-sex hormones (testosterone and estrogen) are associated with dangerous health risks including but not limited to high blood pressure, blood clots, stroke and cancer.

7. Rates of suicide are twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBQT – affirming countries.

8. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful as child abuse.

 

Is the American College of Pediatricians a “hate group masquerading as pediatricians.”?

 

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Papist

A teenage girl with anorexia is down to skin and bone, and when she looks in the mirror she sees 250 pounds. What do we do?

Do we try to bring her to an appreciation that the scale says 76 lbs., not 250? Do we try to overcome the perception of being obese by having her see a tape measure wrapped around her?

In other words, do we see the objective reality of her emaciated body and allow ourselves to be guided to the realization that she needs professional intervention? Do we accept that there are psychodynamic factors that lead to the misperception and body dysphoria, and seek psychotherapy designed to bring subjective perception into alignment with objective reality?

Do we teach the girl to love herself and stop mutilating herself through starvation? Or, do we allow ourselves to be guided by the girl's self-perception and encourage her efforts to bring the objective reality of her body into alignment with her warped self-perception?

We all know the answers to these questions.

So why are there 45 medical centers that perform transgender treatments and surgeries in pediatric patients? Why do we have the opposite approach to mutilating children with gender dysphoria than we do with anorexics?

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dominicansoul

I watched "titanic" the other night.  All I could think of is how many of those men would have been saved if they all identified as women or children...

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CatherineM

There are some legitimate medical reasons to work on a child's reproductive organs. Intersex, indeterminate gender, injury, etc. Confusion or crazy parents don't qualify in my book. 

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Luigi

"So why are there 45 medical centers that perform transgender treatments and surgeries in pediatric patients?"

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And, we moved from God-centered, to human-centered, to individual centered. We moved from God's truth, to rational truth, to personal truth. Because we're all crazy on this bus!

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Papist
14 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

I watched "titanic" the other night.  All I could think of is how many of those men would have been saved if they all identified as women or children...

You're assuming their gender. tsk tsk :nono:

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Saintclare2009

God loves us all. We are either born male or female. God doesn't approve a gay or transgender lifestyle. God doesn't make people that way, otherwise if he did, he wouldn't call it an abomination. We are all sinners and in need of our Savior who paid our sin debt in full. Nothing on earth can match that.  We all need to accept jesus as our Savior, and trust in the holy Trinity to live a godly life, none of us can do it on our own.

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Benedictus
On 29/08/2017 at 10:11 PM, Saintclare2009 said:

God loves us all. We are either born male or female. God doesn't approve a gay or transgender lifestyle. God doesn't make people that way, otherwise if he did, he wouldn't call it an abomination. We are all sinners and in need of our Savior who paid our sin debt in full. Nothing on earth can match that.  We all need to accept jesus as our Savior, and trust in the holy Trinity to live a godly life, none of us can do it on our own.

:rolleyes:

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