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dominicansoul
2 minutes ago, havok579257 said:

 

hussein?  do you mean obama?  can't really call out liberals for their insults toward Trump when your doing the same thing to obama.

how is calling him by his name offensive?  Why are people so easily triggered by what they presume are insults?  You kind of prove my points---we are gonna have to deal with censoring anything and everything someone finds offensive...

Okay so are you for statues of the Ten Commandment coming down and nativity scenes and crosses if they are all on federal land?  That's already been happening.  I'm not for that at all...

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Ash Wednesday

The thing about historical figures like FDR, while he did enact some policies that were wrong at the time, he is generally viewed in an accomplished light by history when looking at the overall perspective. 

Examining things like statues from the Confederacy, I would ask: why is the statue there? What is the monument trying to say? Are there other ways of illustrating our history with full completeness and accuracy and without sending the wrong message? Was this a historical figure that did other noteworthy deeds, or is it just a monument celebrating the Confederacy in itself? If it's the latter then....eh, I can see why black people would want that down. Personally if they were that offensive they should have been taken down ages ago.

I suppose one thing I would wonder about is why people who had the power to take them down suddenly understand the urgent need to take them down now when they were content to just look the other way for hundreds of years. While the end result of showing greater racial sensitivity and working towards societal harmony is a good thing (Put out your tiki torch, put your hand down and go home. You look like an idiot.) there is another undercurrent movement of harsh political correctness and secularism at play driven by bands of social justice warriors that have an agenda that I'm a little skeptical of that isn't just about racism -- the kind of agenda that sees no value in a statue of St. Junipero Serra and his historical role and legislates to have him replaced by the more "modern" figure, Sally Ride. That is where I ask what is the real intent and agenda, and where can there be any discussion or compromise? Are we even capable of that anymore? I have to wonder.

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havok579257
8 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

how is calling him by his name offensive?  Why are people so easily triggered by what they presume are insults?  You kind of prove my points---we are gonna have to deal with censoring anything and everything someone finds offensive...

Okay so are you for statues of the Ten Commandment coming down and nativity scenes and crosses if they are all on federal land?  That's already been happening.  I'm not for that at all...

that's not his first or last name.  do you go around calling everyone by their middle name?  do you call your family members by their middle name?  your co-workers?  priests?  its not about censorship, its about being insulting.  if you don't call everyone you know by their middle name then explain to me why you call just obama by his middle name?  cause if your specifically calling one person and only them by their middle name, there is a reason for that.  i would love to hear why.

 

i am all for the ten commandments and the nativity scenes coming down if a group of people can show me (factually)  how they were treated as less than people, tortured, raped and murdered by God and Jesus.  unless they can show that, the statues can stay can up.  that's the problem with the confederate statues.  there is 100% proof blacks were tortured, mutilated, murdered, raped and treated as less than humans and the confederates fought to keep the status quo.  it is a symbol of oppression to a race of people and they should not be forced to look upon these statues on government property as a sign of honor.  

3 hours ago, Ash Wednesday said:

The thing about historical figures like FDR, while he did enact some policies that were wrong at the time, he is generally viewed in an accomplished light by history when looking at the overall perspective. 

Examining things like statues from the Confederacy, I would ask: why is the statue there? What is the monument trying to say? Are there other ways of illustrating our history with full completeness and accuracy and without sending the wrong message? Was this a historical figure that did other noteworthy deeds, or is it just a monument celebrating the Confederacy in itself? If it's the latter then....eh, I can see why black people would want that down. Personally if they were that offensive they should have been taken down ages ago.

I suppose one thing I would wonder about is why people who had the power to take them down suddenly understand the urgent need to take them down now when they were content to just look the other way for hundreds of years. While the end result of showing greater racial sensitivity and working towards societal harmony is a good thing (Put out your tiki torch, put your hand down and go home. You look like an idiot.) there is another undercurrent movement of harsh political correctness and secularism at play driven by bands of social justice warriors that have an agenda that I'm a little skeptical of that isn't just about racism -- the kind of agenda that sees no value in a statue of St. Junipero Serra and his historical role and legislates to have him replaced by the more "modern" figure, Sally Ride. That is where I ask what is the real intent and agenda, and where can there be any discussion or compromise? Are we even capable of that anymore? I have to wonder.

to be fair lots of these statues went up way after the civil war during the civil rights movement era.  they were put up then for a specific reason for blacks to get the message.

 

also there is a difference between the media and the black people who have been working to get these statues down for years.  the media is doing this to get ratings and bash Trump but there have been many groups of black people for years trying to get these statues down.  the media just never bothered to show it because they didn't care.

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Ash Wednesday
11 minutes ago, havok579257 said:

also there is a difference between the media and the black people who have been working to get these statues down for years.  the media is doing this to get ratings and bash Trump but there have been many groups of black people for years trying to get these statues down.  the media just never bothered to show it because they didn't care.

Agreed.

It feels a bit to me like an insincere temporary fix to assuage guilt and a moment people are caught up in. I mean, it accomplishes something short term but I'm not sure people really will address the deeper racial problems longer term.

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dominicansoul
39 minutes ago, havok579257 said:

that's not his first or last name.  do you go around calling everyone by their middle name?  do you call your family members by their middle name?  your co-workers?  priests?  its not about censorship, its about being insulting.  if you don't call everyone you know by their middle name then explain to me why you call just obama by his middle name?  cause if your specifically calling one person and only them by their middle name, there is a reason for that.  i would love to hear why.

Since when is calling someone by their middle name offensive and insulting?  

Are you Barrack Hussein Obama?  He'd be the only one I'd listen to if he didn't like me using his middle name.

I don't really  need to tell you why I call him that.  Maybe I like it better than his other two names, maybe people calling George Bush "W" made me think we should all call president's by their middle names?  I don't know.  I like it better.  It's prettier.  

quit being offended over absolutely nothing...sheesh

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havok579257
4 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

Since when is calling someone by their middle name offensive and insulting?  

Are you Barrack Hussein Obama?  He'd be the only one I'd listen to if he didn't like me using his middle name.

I don't really  need to tell you why I call him that.  Maybe I like it better than his other two names, maybe people calling George Bush "W" made me think we should all call president's by their middle names?  I don't know.  I like it better.  It's prettier.  

quit being offended over absolutely nothing...sheesh

so then if your all about calling presidents by their middle names why don't you use that same logic for Trump?  kind of selective.  

 

we all know calling obama, hussein is an attempted dig at his middle name being a middle eastern name.  its the same thing when lots of conservative radio hosts would over-emphasize hussein.  they did it as a jab.  its meant as a jab.  same way people calling trump mr. trump instead of president trump is a jab at him.  

 

the issue is conservatives do the same things liberals do and liberals do the same thing conservatives do and then they all cry outrage when the other side does something back to them.  this is perfect example of why this country is so divided.  if you insult by party or their leaders then I am offended but if I offend you leaders or party, well its justified.  there is just very little respect in this country.  you can disagree with someone and not be disrespectful.  its just like on these boards when some people talk about gay people.  instead of referring to them as gay or homosexual they address them as SSA.  or if someone was a man and now says they are a women and instead of steve wants to be called sally and you refuse to call them sally, then your just being an insulting jerk.  you can disagree with someone's lifestyle and actions and still be respectful.   

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dominicansoul

When you assume you make an ass out of yourself.  Quit assuming stuff and maybe you wouldn't be so offended.  I don't use trumps middle name cos I didn't even know he had one.  I don't see him like I do our past presidents anyway.  He's a business man, not much of a politician.  I called Hilary "pantsuit." Rodham isn't really her middle name it's her maiden so that didn't work for me.  I don't like it much anyway. 

as far as whoever else uses hussein I wouldn't know i don't listen to mass media right or left.  I thought I was the only one that used hussein.   Now you've ruined it for me doesn't seem so original anymore. 

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Seven77

 I'm no fan but I also thought it was odd to call President Obama "Hussein,"  because it reminds me of Saddam Hussein....  I mean, I've seen people call him Barack Hussein Obama but never just Hussein. But, I guess it's just a more effective diss. 

7 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

Cry Havok and let slip the dogs of Hussein.

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Wait, now I'm confused--- Whose dogs are those?

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