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17 minutes ago, dominicansoul said:

You're right Havok.  Pisses me off that conservatives weren't more condemning toward Trump's locker room talk.  There isn't any proof (unless you have personal evidence) of Trump actually committing the actions he boyishly brags about.  Hollywood had plenty of proof about Weinstein's actions.   I think that might be where the two cases are different.

I wanted a real conservative to win the presidency.  But I think God allowed Trump to win, because God can use an ass like Trump for the greater good.  And Trump already has done some good in areas that really needed change.

Too often than not liberals really want to hurt the groups they hate.  It's their way or the highway.  Take the Birth Control mandate.  Was that really necessary??? Forcing religious peoples to do something they are morally against?  I don't really see conservatives doing this kind of thing...unless you can remind me of something of this nature that conservatives do???  all I ever see is conservatives enforcing laws that people really really hate, like immigration laws.  Then they are called racists for doing so.  

But you're right, there are hypocrites on both sides, I agree.  Take that republican "pro-lifer" who got caught asking his mistress to have an abortion.  He acted like a liberal in that instance.  

Seven, UT-Austin is a very liberal school.  If none of the authorities at that school are reacting to this decision, that's why.  IT's the rest of us nobodies that wanted to enjoy a family event that see how ridiculous it is.  Are the politically correct going to try and succk the fun out of all our past times and traditions?  I really hope this croutons stops...

It wasn't just locker room talk.  In the video Trump admits to truing to commit adultery with a married woman.  He also talks about what he does to women when he grabs them in the genitals.  His own words condemn him.  Was Harvey worse? Absolutely, hands down.  Although Trump admitted to the things on tape.  He shouldn't get a pass and it be downplayed as just locker room talk.

Liberals and conservatives both do things to hurt those they don't agree with. They both do it and both sides give their side a pass because they believe they are 100% right.  They believe the other side is completely wrong. I just don't understand how a catholic can hold that position for either side.  Conservatives and liberals both hold positions/have supported positions that go against church teaching.  Both sides have supported things that are wrong. Although catholics who deny this on either side seem to be putting politics ahead of religion. I don't see how anyone could claim different.

 

At the end of the day, society has changed.  Everything is politicized by conservatives and liberals. Cottenjoy is now become politicized. Football players have become politicized . Paper towels also.  Add twitter and espn and handshakes and customary  bowing to other countries leaders and so on.  Both sides politicize everything this day and age and both sides are not consistant. Both sides condemn the other side and turn a blind eye to their own parties failings and wrong doings. 

 

Both sides have become snowflakes . They both whine an complain and play the victim card. Conservatives and liberals are unwilling to see the other side as any other than wrong or evil.  You will never have peace or solve problems in this country when you are convinced you are without error and the other side is evil.  

 

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4 minutes ago, havok579257 said:

It wasn't just locker room talk.  In the video Trump admits to truing to commit adultery with a married woman.  He also talks about what he does to women when he grabs them in the genitals.  His own words condemn him.  Was Harvey worse? Absolutely, hands down.  Although Trump admitted to the things on tape.  He shouldn't get a pass and it be downplayed as just locker room talk.

Liberals and conservatives both do things to hurt those they don't agree with. They both do it and both sides give their side a pass because they believe they are 100% right.  They believe the other side is completely wrong. I just don't understand how a catholic can hold that position for either side.  Conservatives and liberals both hold positions/have supported positions that go against church teaching.  Both sides have supported things that are wrong. Although catholics who deny this on either side seem to be putting politics ahead of religion. I don't see how anyone could claim different.

 

At the end of the day, society has changed.  Everything is politicized by conservatives and liberals. Cottenjoy is now become politicized. Football players have become politicized . Paper towels also.  Add twitter and espn and handshakes and customary  bowing to other countries leaders and so on.  Both sides politicize everything this day and age and both sides are not consistant. Both sides condemn the other side and turn a blind eye to their own parties failings and wrong doings. 

 

Both sides have become snowflakes . They both whine an complain and play the victim card. Conservatives and liberals are unwilling to see the other side as any other than wrong or evil.  You will never have peace or solve problems in this country when you are convinced you are without error and the other side is evil.  

 

I agree with this. I also don't understand how the Catholic can be a conservative or liberal. God doesn't care about the stupid political party you belong to. Yes, there are good things: opposition to abortion, helping immigrants, at least name. But People put politics ahead of religion and act as if God is cool with that. It's nationalistic idolatry masquerading as "patriotism," and state worship, political party worship. I think the bishops are on the right page most of the time… They are neither conservative nor liberal (so tired of hearing those words). Just Catholic.…

It seems to me that Catholics should be moderates or centrists when it comes to politics.

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I certainly don't put politics ahead of religion.  But I do witness this from time time when we have Catholics supporting abortion.  

Patriotism is not nationalistic idolatry!!!  It could be for a fringe few, but over all, patriotism is just revering and loving the country you are living in.    Suddenly patriotism is akin to Hitler's national socialism...which is yet another ridiculous comparison created by the left.  

I don't think of conservative/liberal as merely political parties, more like ideologies.  Republicans are certainly not conservative anymore.  When it comes to ideologies, God does care.  He wants us to avoid at all cost the communist ideology that spread and poisoned the earth.  He does care who rules countries, we've seen Him get involved more than once in kingdoms and shake things up. 

And I do believe God cares very much for America.    

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It’s just silly to be upset and all worked up about torches. 

It’s just silly to be upset about others being upset torches.  

Everyone making a big deal about every little thing, leaves nobody able to deal with the big things.  

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censoring traditions because some leftists think its racist is alarming to me...could eventually become a much bigger thing if left unchecked...

I mean, think about it...using the "okay" sign with your fingers is off limits now... i'm sure that doesn't alarm many people just because its such a small minute and silly thing, when at the same time...I see it as an erosion of common sense and a mind control of sorts...you have to think and behave a certain way because certain leftists groups deem it inappropriate to their sensibilities...

...maybe it doesn't affect many of you guys, but where I work this weird censorship affects me heavily...

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I'm not an American because I salute the flag. If they took away my American citizenship, I would still be an American. Nobody gave me my citizenship, nobody tells me what it means to be a patriot. This land is my land, and I make of it what I want. Symbols are shorthand, ways of speaking, nothing more. Protest, too, is a symbol, an American tradition. Destroying symbols, too, is an American tradition. We have our kids read Thoreau in high school. Who made Thoreau an American? Thoreau went a step beyond Kaepernick. Thoreau refused to pay his taxes. He didn't merely refuse to salute a symbol of America, he refused to render unto Caesar, he refused to finance a government. That was not just a symbol, it was an act of war against the government, because the government cannot exist without public money. There is a time and place for positive symbols, but in the last century we've turned into a pathetic nation of nationalistic jingoism. Let the flag burn, and American will be the stronger for it.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. The proper place today, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. It is there that the fugitive slave, and the Mexican prisoner on parole, and the Indian come to plead the wrongs of his race should find them; on that separate, but more free and honorable, ground, where the State places those who are not with her, but against her- the only house in a slave State in which a free man can abide with honor. If any think that their influence would be lost there, and their voices no longer afflict the ear of the State, that they would not be as an enemy within its walls, they do not know by how much truth is stronger than error, nor how much more eloquently and effectively he can combat injustice who has experienced a little in his own person. Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible. If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer, asks me, as one has done, "But what shall I do?" my answer is, "If you really wish to do anything, resign your office." When the subject has refused allegiance, and the officer has resigned his office, then the revolution is accomplished. But even suppose blood should flow. Is there not a sort of blood shed when the conscience is wounded? Through this wound a man's real manhood and immortality flow out, and he bleeds to an everlasting death. I see this blood flowing now.

--Thoreau, "Civil Disobedience"

 

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1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

I doubt Thoreau would agree on banning torches just cos some bloody liberals are triggered by them.

 

Probably not, but he'd probably have something to say about triggered white conservatives who think they are the true Oppressed Minority in American life and history.

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3 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

I certainly don't put politics ahead of religion.  But I do witness this from time time when we have Catholics supporting abortion.  

Patriotism is not nationalistic idolatry!!!  It could be for a fringe few, but over all, patriotism is just revering and loving the country you are living in.    Suddenly patriotism is akin to Hitler's national socialism...which is yet another ridiculous comparison created by the left.  

I don't think of conservative/liberal as merely political parties, more like ideologies.  Republicans are certainly not conservative anymore.  When it comes to ideologies, God does care.  He wants us to avoid at all cost the communist ideology that spread and poisoned the earth.  He does care who rules countries, we've seen Him get involved more than once in kingdoms and shake things up. 

And I do believe God cares very much for America.    

I think you're misunderstanding me…

Patriotism is a good thing… But it seems to me that a lot of people fall into the trap of putting country ahead of doing the will of God. This is idolatry disguised as patriotism… It's not patriotism at all but nationalism.

I know that God cares about people's ideology. Obviously he cares about the governance of countries and all of that in so far as it concerns human dignity. What he doesn't care about is your allegiance to a political party… He is concerned about your reasons behind it though.

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Just wanted to add:

Nationalism is when you put the state ahead of people… Government exists for people, people don't exist for the government. It's when, for example, border security is put ahead of and to the detriment of immigrants, human beings. It's when a flag is more important than human beings, etc. It's when laws are treated like they are God breathed, even unjust laws like slavery, abortion just because that's the way it is in this country.It's when gunsAre put ahead ofPeople justBecauseWe have the right to bear arms. Nationalism is not patriotic, it's not American.

I know that God cares about people's ideology. Obviously he cares about the governance of countries and all of that in so far as it concerns human dignity. What he doesn't care about is your allegiance to a political party… He is concerned about your reasons behind it though.

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5 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

I certainly don't put politics ahead of religion.  But I do witness this from time time when we have Catholics supporting abortion.  

Patriotism is not nationalistic idolatry!!!  It could be for a fringe few, but over all, patriotism is just revering and loving the country you are living in.    Suddenly patriotism is akin to Hitler's national socialism...which is yet another ridiculous comparison created by the left.  

I don't think of conservative/liberal as merely political parties, more like ideologies.  Republicans are certainly not conservative anymore.  When it comes to ideologies, God does care.  He wants us to avoid at all cost the communist ideology that spread and poisoned the earth.  He does care who rules countries, we've seen Him get involved more than once in kingdoms and shake things up. 

And I do believe God cares very much for America.    

how about the people demanding a private company like the NFL fire all those players who kneel even though the NFL has nothing in its bargaining contract that says the players are required to stand?  how about a president who is mulling removing state, I repeat, state funds from the NFL because of kneeling players.  The NFL does not receive federal funds, only state funds to build stadiums.  Why is a conservative republican president mulling the federal government come into a state and take over their tax payer fund allocations?  

 

patriotism the way it is presented today by many conservatives in the media is wrong.  they talk about multiculteralism being bad and everyone who comes here should conform to our way of life.  if you come here and don't speak the language, well you shouldn't come here.  if you come here and bring your culture with you and don't 100%subscribe to american culture, when then you should go back to where you came from.  your coming here illegally because you are fleeing for the safety of your children and family(which the church does not condemn by the way), well to bad, you should go back.  patriotism has become the new religion for many, many conservatives.  its sad really.

5 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

censoring traditions because some leftists think its racist is alarming to me...could eventually become a much bigger thing if left unchecked...

I mean, think about it...using the "okay" sign with your fingers is off limits now... i'm sure that doesn't alarm many people just because its such a small minute and silly thing, when at the same time...I see it as an erosion of common sense and a mind control of sorts...you have to think and behave a certain way because certain leftists groups deem it inappropriate to their sensibilities...

...maybe it doesn't affect many of you guys, but where I work this weird censorship affects me heavily...

behave a certain way?  you mean like how conservatives demand people assimilate when they come to this country.  they demand they leave their culture and their language and their way of life at the boarder.  you assimilate to how we american's do things or go back to where you came from.  conservatives do it just as much as liberals.  

 

it really seems like you are blinded to any of the wrong doings of conservatives. conservatives are not all right.  they are wrong, many times.  conservationism has many, many flaws.  fail to recognize them and your no different then the liberals who think the same way about their beliefs.

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@dominicansoul you're wasting your life force. Even if you find actions by the left that are clearly wrong, unjustified, wicked, or whatever that subject will be ignored for the most part. Until you point out it's being ignored then it'll get a few more posts, maybe, and go back to being ignored.

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7 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

@dominicansoul you're wasting your life force. Even if you find actions by the left that are clearly wrong, unjustified, wicked, or whatever that subject will be ignored for the most part. Until you point out it's being ignored then it'll get a few more posts, maybe, and go back to being ignored.

Oh I don't post these to try and change the minds of anyone on phatmass.  We have more lurkers than posters these days.  My college coworkers and grad student assistants have never heard arguments like mine before because they are systematically brainwashed to believe this asinine stupidity.  They are surrounded by people who just nod and go along.    I mean they honestly believed it was the right thing for the university to put feminine napkin disposals in the men's room.  I don't care how small some people think that is, it's huge to me.  They joined in celebrating when a student tore down pictures of a prolifers display because that was what the rest of the university body did.  They go along with safe spaces and censoring.  They go along with wanting to appease transgenders/LBGTXYZ by learning the billion different pronouns associated with the billions of genders the leftists have created.  I'm sorry but I can't do that!!!  That right there is an example of severe lunacy!!! Now they want to censor torches cos they symbolize racism???  What is next?  The white supremacists were wearing clothes.  Should we all get naked now???  It's like I'm living in the novel 1984!  Or the early days of soviet Poland when the poles couldn't speak their minds in public anymore or say certain things without fear of retribution.  My days are numbered at this job.  They were giving out Susan g Komen pink ribbons and I told everyone SGK supports planned parenthood so I don't want to wear one.  I had liberals hissing at me to put it on!!!!  Oh so not wearing a ribbon means I Love breast cancer and want women to die??  RIDICULOUS!!!  I'm not going to be controlled.   Im not going along with the "white man is out to get the black man" poo either.  The left has long captured the soul and minds of America.  I'm going to do whatever it takes to convince those who actually want to listen and understand my concerns.   

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Actual teachings of the not-conservative, not-liberal Catholic Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found here:

http://www.usccb.org/about/pro-life-activities/respect-life-program/index.cfm

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/index.cfm

https://www.sharejourney.org/

Our allegiance should be to the Gospel, not a political party. 

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