skuba steve Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) http://english.fgtv.com/ this is a post denominational church with close to 1,000,000 people in their congregation.... go and argue with a million koreans that they don't have the full truth... if you read their history, they started in a living room about 50 years ago. they healed cripples and healed paralysed people....they spoke in tongues and layed hands on people and they were healed...they loved people...the pastor lived in poverty now they have the biggest church in the world.... was that by the power of Satan??? get over it... the church is bigger than what you can see on a sunday... the church is growing... and the church is bringing Glory to God around the world.... Edited September 10, 2003 by skuba steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Steve: I never said God doesn't work in Protestant churches, nor did I say Satan was at work in them. However, just because their church is so huge and they speak in tongues, heal others, have a pastor that lives in poverty, etc. isn't enough to ensure they teach the full truth. That's just stating a fact; no arrogance or whatever there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherball33 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 go and argue with a million koreans that they don't have the full truth... go and argue with the billions of Catholics, steve-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Yes. You must remember that the term "Roman Catholic" describes only one branch of the Catholic Church. There are many other separate rites within the Church such as Byzantine, Syro-Malabar, Coptic, Ethiopian, and Maronite among others. ich! hate 2 disagree, but that's not true. Roman Catholic doesn't mean just the Latin Rite. All of those rites that u listed are Roman Catholic if they follow the Pope. Rite just means... like.. .ritual i guess. Like, they worship in a different order, or have different rituals they do for praying and stuff. They all adhere to the same Pope and Magisterium centered in Rome, hence "Roman" Catholic Church. I dont usually call it that unless ppl dont realize when i say Catholic that's what i mean. Cause i think thad be like calling the north U.S. the "Yankee" United States. Pax et Amo Christi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 But when members of the family walk away, and say we aren't family anymore. When their children are raised estranged and isolated are they still family? If they go so far off the deep end for many years are they still family? Why shouldn't they be? Of course there are families who don't speak and even hate each other...but they're still family. If they go so far off the deep end for many years are they still family? Remember the parable of the PRODIGAL SON :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Catholics, You need to double check your Catechisms. God desires only 1 denomination, but that doesn't make all other non-Catholic denominations completely wrong. They do have Truth and sources of Salvific Grace, but not the Fullness of the Truth. That is a serious and important point. Telling someone that their denomination is all wrong is not true and not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) hmmm... Edited September 10, 2003 by Robyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 QUOTE However, just because their church is so huge and they speak in tongues, heal others, have a pastor that lives in poverty, etc. isn't enough to ensure they teach the full truth. That is a huge statement...the bible teaches that you reap what you sow...why do you think that God blesses a church like this??? because they are misleading people..??? do you think that God would do all this amazing stuff and draw so many people to this one church because they don't have the full truth???? Do you think that these people are so stupid as to be mislead to a church that isn't quite right??? Or maybe people are being drawn to a church that places no importance in denominations and political structure but places all their hope and faith and lives upon the unfallable word of God.... and don't give me the old "but where do you think you got the bible from???" routine please... The bible is from God...thats what I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) (N/M) Edited September 10, 2003 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Yep There is a big difference between being totally wrong and having the fullnesss of faith. THere are many steps in bewteen. God answers all who call on His name. Being Catholic , however, means I have the Eucharist,. I also have more advantages and resources to draw and the Church Triumphant and Church Suffering to cheer me on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) QUOTE However, just because their church is so huge and they speak in tongues, heal others, have a pastor that lives in poverty, etc. isn't enough to ensure they teach the full truth. That is a huge statement...the bible teaches that you reap what you sow...why do you think that God blesses a church like this??? because they are misleading people..??? do you think that God would do all this amazing stuff and draw so many people to this one church because they don't have the full truth???? Do you think that these people are so stupid as to be mislead to a church that isn't quite right??? Or maybe people are being drawn to a church that places no importance in denominations and political structure but places all their hope and faith and lives upon the unfallable word of God.... and don't give me the old "but where do you think you got the bible from???" routine please... The bible is from God...thats what I believe. All those who have Faith in Jesus, will be healed. It's not nessasarily the church or community that bestows the blessings, it's God and those who have faith will be healed and blessed, now that doesnt mean the church or community is the fullness of truth, that just means God is merciful and answers all who come to him, and that doesnt mean it's ok to be disobient and it definitely doesnt make the protestant churches higher than the Catholic church, we have the fullness of Truth, we have the Most blessed presence of God in our Midst at our Church, just like the Israelites used to in their temples, within the Tabernacles. We have that presence of God within the Eucharist. What do ya'll have? a hall and a Bible? No tabernacle, no temples. Nada, Jesus made one church, and thats the New Jerusalem, the fullfillment of the Old Jerusalem and the Catholic church is the only church that fits that description: Liturgical Priests, The Processions, Priests walking to the altar and kissing it, Altars, The Pure and un-bloody Sacrafice offered all time without ceasing, Singing of the Psalms, confession, Holy Water. etc... All metioned in the Old Law. It has been fullfilled. Go to a Jewish worship service and then go to a Catholic Mass, you will see for yourself that it is the Fullfillment. The Bible did not fall out the sky, there was a process that occured that gave it to us. That process happened in 393 A.D. and 400 A.D. at the Catholic counsels of Carhage and Hippo. History proves this and alot of Protestant scolars now thank the Catholic church for giving them the bible. If you choose to be ignorant about it than fine. But dont tell me "God gave it to us" Jesus didnt hand the Apostles a complete bible with Old Testament and New Testament together. Edited September 10, 2003 by Mc-Just† Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Catholics, You need to double check your Catechisms. God desires only 1 denomination, but that doesn't make all other non-Catholic denominations completely wrong. They do have Truth and sources of Salvific Grace, but not the Fullness of the Truth. That is a serious and important point. Telling someone that their denomination is all wrong is not true and not right. Yes I know about that, they do contain some truth because they got it from us. But they are not the fullness of truth. The Catholic faith is needed for Salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 That is a huge statement...the bible teaches that you reap what you sow...why do you think that God blesses a church like this??? because they are misleading people..???Why would you say that "God blesses a church like this?" Like what? You mean that since there are a lot of people devoted to Jesus (or what they percieve to be Jesus) that God has "blessed" your church? I don't understand the logic. Technically, Mustlims are like one of the largest faith groups. Is this a "blessing" from God? do you think that God would do all this amazing stuff and draw so many people to this one church because they don't have the full truth???? First of all - what amazing stuff? And many people are drawn to porn - is that an idication that it's good? Not comparing your church to porn, just making a point. Numbers don't indicate Truth, they don't indicate a blessing, etc. In fact, even Christ says that it will be the MINORITY that enters the kingdom of God! It could be the precise fact that your church doesn't have the full truth that there are so many people attracted to it. Do you think that these people are so stupid as to be mislead to a church that isn't quite right???Humans are stupid - no offence... Do you think that people are so stupid as to believe that contraception would be healthy for relationsips, or population control? Uh. Yup! Or maybe people are being drawn to a church that places no importance in denominations and political structure but places all their hope and faith and lives upon the unfallable word of God.... If the written word of God (aka the Bible) was infallible, than how do you explain 30,000 denominations all claiming to get their DIFFERENT beliefs from the same bible. The Bible, no doubt, is inerrant (it contains no error). But it needs an infallible interpretor in order for the Word to be infallible. And I'll be that is exactly the reason for the attraction. As long as they can prove their belief with Scripture, then their in! and don't give me the old "but where do you think you got the bible from???" routine please... The bible is from God...thats what I believe. Ahh. So you uproot the basis for your faith, on your own. Okay, if you want to believe that the Bible was beamed down with Scotty, then that's your business. If you want to know the Truth about the origins of the Bible, then all you have to do is ask. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 QUOTE However, just because their church is so huge and they speak in tongues, heal others, have a pastor that lives in poverty, etc. isn't enough to ensure they teach the full truth. That is a huge statement...the bible teaches that you reap what you sow...why do you think that God blesses a church like this??? because they are misleading people..??? do you think that God would do all this amazing stuff and draw so many people to this one church because they don't have the full truth???? Do you think that these people are so stupid as to be mislead to a church that isn't quite right??? Or maybe people are being drawn to a church that places no importance in denominations and political structure but places all their hope and faith and lives upon the unfallable word of God.... and don't give me the old "but where do you think you got the bible from???" routine please... The bible is from God...thats what I believe. Steve, Different denominations come about because people bring error along with the Truth. The institution of the Church is the presence of the Holy Spirit and the preservation of the Truth despite human error. Scripture was not breathed out word for work and transcribed by man. Man wrote the Story of experienceing God and God inspired the words to reveal His Truth and Will. The Gospels aren't all identical and conflict each other in details. That doesn't take away from God's immutable perfection that is revealed. If that were the case, then Scripture would have to remain in the original language to avoid any mistranslations. That's what Muslems believe about the Koran. God's perfect will is revealed in Scripture despite differences in translations. Understanding of God, (Faith), is transmitted to the ages and generations through the Church because of the abiding of the Holy Spirit, despite human imperfections. In that context you can see that Scripture and the Church both need a solid and fixed entity to refelct God's constancy. Right away, this solidity is attacked when different books and writings are disputed as belonging to God's inspired Word. If you only had the Pauline letters and Acts, you would have Truth and can come to know Jesus and God. If you have the entire Scripture, as defined by the early Christian Church, you would have the Fullness of Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 The Catholic faith is needed for Salvation. OH NO! I'M GOING TO HEL!!!! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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