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#1 White Knight

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Posted 21 August 2004 - 11:06 PM

Ok, Judas killed himself before Jesus Died on the Cross the very same day, now my question is, Could he have been forgiven and maybe had Salvation or did he go straight to Hell, after he died?



This Question makes me wonder.


Anyway, Scripture would be a nice supporter, of your opinion or what facts one may reprise.

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Posted 21 August 2004 - 11:33 PM

I happen to think that he went to Hell, as it at least seems that Christ prophesied his eternal torment, however, as we do not know for certain, and we have no way of knowing whether or not he repented the sin of suicide at the moment of dead, we can always hope for his salvation.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 12:21 AM

the only people we know the eternal fate of are the cannonized saints

we don't know any specific person is damned to hell

i tend to aggree with Jeff, it seems apparent that he went to hell.

but we don't know, he could have been saved or somethin, but it's highly unlikely

again, though, nothing is impossible with God

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 12:46 AM

Id say he went to hell for the following reasons:

- He took a bribe for a man's life
- He betrayed Jesus
- He committed suicide

Theres no way he could have gone to heaven.

However you do feel for the man, and what he must have went through prior to hanging himself, but this still doesnt justify suicide.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 07:32 AM

yeah, Deicide plus suicide without asking for forgiveness of it...

unless he had one of those secret 11th hour conversions just as he was falling with the rope around his neck

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 08:28 AM

We can't know and God isn't telling.

Edited by cmotherofpirl, 22 August 2004 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2004 - 08:31 AM

It is a good question. Something that I have wondered at one time or another.

Excerpt from HELLO IT'S ME: An Interview With GOD
Jesus The Christ pg 81

INTERVIEWER: Do you forgive Judas?

GOD: Is there any reason why I shouldn't? Try to UNDERSTAND that GOD does not hold any bitter grudges or vengeful desires against any soul. Given the circumstances of the man they called Judas and the time he lived and the situation he was involved in, his actions may have seemed justifiable to him at that moment. I make no excuses for Judas nor do I harbor any hate for him or anyone. If YOU could only see the Universe through MY eyes and the UNDERSTANDING of MY soul, YOU will realize I could not pass judgment on any creations of the Universe.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 08:34 AM

Unlike the Jesus Christ Superstar version, he's never come back to tell us, so who knows?

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 08:35 AM

Yeah, I agree with the mainstream anwers. We Cannot judge whether a person is in Hell or not. Even if a person commits suicide now we cannot know what was going through his head before his last breath. We also don't know what happened in his life that God saw but not us.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 08:36 AM

lol...the joy of situational ethics and good intentions.
Some roads are paved with them. :D

#11 Good Friday

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 09:01 AM

I think it would be amusing if you got to Heaven and this was what happened:

"You're Peter, right?"

"No, Judas, but I get that a lot."

(Not to say that Peter isn't in Heaven . . . the point was that it would be amusing to get there and realize that God's grace is so powerful that even Judas was saved).

As an optimist, I hope that Judas was saved and believe there's reason to hope that he was saved, even at the last minute. Jesus' suffering was for Judas as it was for everyone else, and no doubt Our Lady was also praying for Judas. It's entirely possible that just as her intercession has brought even the worst of sinners to conversion, often times last minute, her intercession may also have brought Judas to conversion. I hope when and if I get to Heaven, he's there and God pleasantly surprises me by telling me that Hell is empty except for Satan and his demons.

There's reason to hope for this, because there's eternal hope in God; of course, the hope that God may have kept Hell empty by His grace shouldn't hinder us from faithfully following Him -- it's a hope, not a sure thing.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 10:57 AM

Who knows? I hope he at least made it to Purgatory........

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 10:59 AM

awww, its nice when catholics are in agreement! :D

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 12:02 PM

He would have made a great saint if he had not given up Hope.

#15 Theoketos

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 01:59 PM

Theres no way he could have gone to heaven.

Everything is possible with God, even the forgiveness of Judas.

#16 Raphael

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 02:11 PM

We don't know, purely because we don't know his state of mind. We do not know if he was insane when he betrayed Christ and we do not know if he repented with even his last breath as he hung from the tree.

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 02:25 PM

Not to be a pessamist, but he hung himself. If you belive he could have made an act of perfect contrition in the time it takes to die after hanging yourself, then there maybe salvation for Judas. After all, he did kill himself because he committed a wrong against the Lord.

However, suicide because you do things against the Lord is still not a reasont o justify suicide, as you are disregarding God's mercy.

God bless,

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PS I earnestly believe he had no future in heaven. I am not God however, and I do not know. Scripture says he was filled with Satan at some point, and he also rejected the Eucharist (you can ask me for the passages, but I'm busy at the moment). We all know what happens when you reject Jesus in the Eucharist (You have no life within you). I do believe that we are all shook a bit more by God's love then by God's justice when we hope for his salvation. However, nothing definte, so hope is permissable.

Edited by MichaelFilo, 22 August 2004 - 02:28 PM.


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Posted 22 August 2004 - 02:29 PM

Not to be a pessamist, but he hung himself. If you belive he could have made an act of perfect contrition in the time it takes to die after hanging yourself, then there maybe salvation for Judas. After all, he did kill himself because he committed a wrong against the Lord.

However, suicide because you do things against the Lord is still not a reasont o justify suicide, as you are disregarding God's mercy.

God bless,

Mikey

But if he was already hanging, he most likely couldn't do anything about it. It's like a man who jumps from a ten story window and realizes halfway down that he has sinned and then makes a perfect Act of Contrition before dying. It is possible and we must hope that this is the case with Judas, as we must hope for the salvation of all people.

#19 MichaelFilo

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 02:31 PM

But if he was already hanging, he most likely couldn't do anything about it.  It's like a man who jumps from a ten story window and realizes halfway down that he has sinned and then makes a perfect Act of Contrition before dying.  It is possible and we must hope that this is the case with Judas, as we must hope for the salvation of all people.

His salvation has already been decided. Our hope in his salvation is useless. He is either saved, or not.

You wouldn't hope that you didn't stub your toe if it already happened, would you?

And I realize that you can make an act of contrition. That is why I said in the time it takes to die after killing yourself.

God bless,

Mikey

Edited by MichaelFilo, 22 August 2004 - 02:32 PM.


#20 Raphael

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 02:35 PM

His salvation has already been decided. Our hope in his salvation is useless. He is either saved, or not.

You wouldn't hope that you didn't stub your toe if it already happened, would you?

And I realize that you can make an act of contrition. That is why I said in the time it takes to die after killing yourself.

God bless,

Mikey

You wouldn't hope that you didn't stub your toe if it already happened, would you?


No, but I might hope, however, that my brother did not stub his toe even if it had already happened, and I did not know that it had happened.




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