* Deep Thoughts *

[Cure of Ars]

[quote]"Whenever you read a good book, it's like the author is right there, in the room, talking to you, which is why I don't like to read good books."
-- Jack Handey [Deep Thoughts], Recurring Saturday Night Live [/quote]

This thread is mainly to talk about the reference section and how to improve it. It is a place to brainstorm and come up with new ideas and give us ideas on how the reference section could better serve you. It’s also were I am gong to ask phatcatholic questions about how he wants things done on the reference section. So if you want to see how phatcatholic flicks the whip to keep things in line you have come to the right place.

Phatcatholic. I think that the reference section could use the following three sections, 1. Catholic Philosophy 2. Father, Son, Holly Spirit (Trinity) 3. Sacred Scripture. Under the sacred scripture heading we could have links on supposed contradictions and errors in the bible and the like. Just some ideas of where to go next. We still have to fill up the devotion and Vatican II first but I’m just thinking ahead.

Phatcatholic I suggest that you look through what I did and do some damage control. I know there are some links that are not where they go. It is hard at times because some links could logically go under more than one heading.

But anyway the following links are links that I would like to put in the above catigories or I am just clueless where they go.






[b]Catholic Philosophy [/b]

The Logos

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09328a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09328a.htm[/url]

Neo-Platonism

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10742b.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10742b.htm[/url]

Dualism

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05169a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05169a.htm[/url]

The Four Levels of Happiness

[url="http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0016.html"]http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apol...ics/ap0016.html[/url]


Jerry and Yolanda Cleffi former Assemblies of God ministers

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/resolve.asp?rafile=jh_092401.ra"]http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/resolv...le=jh_092401.ra[/url]


[b]Father, Son, Holly Spirit (Trinity)[/b]

Tim Staples Trinity
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/1998/ca981111.rm
The Holy Trinity and "Oneness" Pentecostals by PhilVaz
debate on the Holy Trinity with a Modalist (the heresy is also variously called "Oneness", "Jesus only", Sabellian and Monarchian), also covers the "Oneness" Pentecostal belief that Baptism should be practiced in the name of "Jesus only"
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate3.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate3.htm[/url]
Surrendering the Holy Spirit - Conversion and the Holy Spirit
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/article.asp?ID=149"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/article.asp?ID=149[/url]
Debate on the Trinity vs. Oneness by Apolonio
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a39.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a39.htm[/url]
Defense of the Trinity vs. Modalism by Roger Garza
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a63.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a63.htm[/url]


Marceline D'Ambrosio Who is Jesus Christ?
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2001/ca010521.rm

Rosalind Moss Holy Spirit
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2000/ca001120.rm
Fr. John Corapi Meaning of the Cross
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2001/ca010913.rm

Fr. Mitch Pacwa Arrest and Trial of Jesus
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2001/ca010412.rm

Mark Brumley He is Risen!
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2001/ca010416.rm
Sacred Scripture


[b]Sacred Scripture[/b]

Our Father's Plan with Scott Hahn/Jeff Cavins, excellent overview of Scripture

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/frmselecrprog.asp?seriesID=-306548622&T1="]http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/frmsel...=-306548622&T1=[/url]

Patrick Madrid Where's that in the Bible?

rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2001/ca010221.rm


Pontifical Biblical Commission

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM[/url]

Did the Catholic Church Prohibit Bible Reading?

[url="http://members.tripod.com/~frjoe/bigot6.htm"]http://members.tripod.com/~frjoe/bigot6.htm[/url]

Major Church Pronouncements on the Bible

[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap031100.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap031100.htm[/url]

Bible Translations Guide

[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Bible_Translations_Guide.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/Bible_Translations_Guide.asp[/url]

What is the best Bible to read?

[url="http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/answers/a001.htm"]http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/answers/a001.htm[/url]

Which translation do you recommend?

[url="http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/answers/a002.htm"]http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/answers/a002.htm[/url]
Ray Bible for Beginners
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2000/ca000821.rm

Mark Shea Making Senses of Scripture
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2000/ca000517.rm

Fr. Mitch Pacwa Dead Sea Scrolls
rtsp://radio.catholic.com/catholic/radio/calive/2000/ca000907.rm
Biblical Scholarship by Sean Brooks
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a14.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a14.htm[/url]
Markan vs. Matthean Priority by Sean Brooks
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a33.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a33.htm[/url]
A Brief Biblical Defense of the Holy Trinity by PhilVaz
A short seven-step defense of the Trinity with the major biblical texts
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/num5.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/num5.htm[/url]
Countering Biblical Contradictions by Andrew Tong et al
This is the "famous" list of answers to over 140 "biblical contradictions" saved on one page and linked to Bible Gateway
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible Study Blueprint on St. Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/article.asp?ID=108"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/article.asp?ID=108[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible Study Blueprint on St. Paul's Epistle to the Galatians
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.3/biblebasics.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.3/biblebasics.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible Study blueprint of the the Second Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.2/biblebasics.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.2/biblebasics.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible Study blueprint of the First Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.1/biblebasics.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.1/biblebasics.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible study blueprint for St. Paul's epistle to the Romans
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.6/biblebasics.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.6/biblebasics.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible study blueprint for the book of Acts.
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.5/biblebasics.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.5/biblebasics.html[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible study blueprint to the Gospel of Mark
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.3/bible.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.3/bible.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Bible study blueprint to the Gospel of St. Matthew
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.2/bible.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.2/bible.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - Understanding the Gospel of John
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.1/bible.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.1/bible.htm[/url]
Bible Basics - The Overture of John - Tuning up the Gospel
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/3.3/biblebasics.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/3.3/biblebasics.html[/url]
Bible Basics - Organizing a bible study group for yourself and your parish
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/3.2/biblebasics.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/3.2/biblebasics.html[/url]
The Inspiration of Scripture - What Did St. Paul mean when he called Scripture "God-breathed"?
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.2/allscripture.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1....lscripture.html[/url]
The Big Picture - Jeff Cavins explains how to step back and see Scripture's single basic theme
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.1/allscripture.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1....lscripture.html[/url]
The God-Man Jesus Christ by Marco Fallon
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a5.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a5.htm[/url]
The Divinity of Christ by Jude Walker
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a117.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a117.htm[/url]
The Holy Trinity and Modern Arians by PhilVaz
debate on the Holy Trinity with an Arian (Harold Kupp) from the Bible and the Church Fathers, example of an extreme "Bible alone" theology that denies the historic Christian faith, one of my earlier discussions from PhileoNet
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate4.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate4.htm[/url]
Old Testament Proofs of the Trinity by Jamie Roth
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a111.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a111.htm[/url]
Jesus: God Incarnate by Padro
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a50.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a50.htm[/url]
Confused Christology: Is Jesus the Son of the Holy Spirit? by Mark Bonocore
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a79.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a79.htm[/url]
The Ante-Nicene Fathers and the Holy Trinity by PhilVaz
part 2 of a debate on the Trinity with a modern Arian (Harold Kupp)
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate5.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate5.htm[/url]

Fasting and Abstinence: The Season of Lent by Marco Fallon
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a7.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a7.htm[/url]

David T. King Meets Jaroslav Pelikan: A Question of Scholarship by Nevsky
A response to an evangelical/Reformed apologist mis-use of Orthodox scholar Pelikan's book Mary Through the Centuries
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a112.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a112.htm[/url]
About Exorcism by Sean Brooks
[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a15.htm"]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a15.htm[/url]
Satan's Battle Plan for the Third Millenium - Peter Kreeft tells us about Satan's battle plan
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.1/janfebart1.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.1/janfebart1.html[/url]
Can We Talk? - (Mary Beth Bonacci) "Useless Suffering" - Learning the art of "offering it up&"
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.3/canwetalk.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/5.3/canwetalk.htm[/url]
You'll Never Walk Alone - All About Angels
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.3/walk.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.3/walk.htm[/url]
Live Long and Prosper - and Other Tall Tales from the Health & Wealth Gospel
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.2/live.htm"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.2/live.htm[/url]
Call to Faction - A report on, Call to Action
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.6/story1.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.6/story1.html[/url]
Divine Will Hunting - A look at the "Divine Will Movement and Luisa Piccareta's writings
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/story1.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/story1.html[/url]
Conscience and Authority - How to be free - submit to authority
[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.4/graymatters.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.4/graymatters.html[/url]


[b]Talks by Bishop Fulton Sheen[/b]

[url="http://www.bishop-sheen.org/Talks.html"]http://www.bishop-sheen.org/Talks.html[/url]

One last thing, I do not know what to name this link and it was made by someone here on phatmass.



[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=269656"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?act=A...=post&id=269656[/url]

Edited August 26, 2004 by phatcatholic

[phatcatholic]

[b]pham[/b]......................any ideas on new entries for the reference section? try to think of anything you've wanted information on but were unable to find here.

[b]cure[/b]................i like your ideas and i agree that enties on these subjects would be useful. you are right in saying that we have to finish what we've started first. i also have some other ideas in mind

--i think we definitely need an entry for Catholic commentary on the bible. i'm not talking about explanation of a verse. i'm talking a deliberate effort to explain an entire book or books from the bible. of course, that means i'll have to wade through that amazingly convoluted online Jerome commentary, but oh well. there's also many commentaries by the ECF's that we can use.
--an entry on the different rites of the Catholic Church would be cool too, like their history and unique angles on catholicism.
--oh, and i've noticed that i don't have anything on development of doctrine. should this be an entry by itself or should it be incorporated into an existing entry, possibly Sacred Tradition?

we also have to keep in mind the scope of this project: to aid catholics in their apologetics. so i'm mainly focused on subjects that come up most often and not so much on presenting every facet of catholicism or christianity.

i'll look through the links you provided below and what you have added to the reference section as soon as i get a chance.

dude, i'm so glad you're a part of this (happy cry)

nick

Edited August 26, 2004 by phatcatholic

[StColette]

You both are some awesome !! The reference section is soooo helpful to me and many others of course.

I have a tiny suggestion I'm not exactly sure where it would fit in the reference section or if it is already there. Is there any part of the reference section about sacramentals ? I haven't been able to find it I see questions about sacramentals quite a bit on open mic and wondered if it would be possible to add a few basic subjects about sacramentals and about certain popular sacramentals.

anyway that's just a suggestion btw Phat if you need help with that Jerome Commentary let me know I can always here help.

God Bless,
Jennie

[Lil Red]

i have never not been able to find what i wanted in the ref section. except of course, the bible charts, and i made those up myself

[phatcatholic]

right now i only have three articles specifically about sacramentalism. these two are under "Introduction to the Sacraments" in each of the entries on the seven sacraments:

--[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ86.HTM"]Sacramentalism[/url]
--[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ87.HTM"]Sacramentalism and Inner Disposition[/url]

i also have this article under "James White" in the Anti-Catholicism entry:

--[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ264.HTM"]"Man-Centered" Sacramentalism: The Remarkable Incoherence of James White[/url]

related to this issue are the articles i have on relics in the Communion of Saints entry (where the "Sacramentalism" article can also be found):

[b]Relics[/b]
--[url="http://www.mark-shea.com/relics.html"]Bilbo, Frodo, and Relics[/url]
--[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12734a.htm"]Relics[/url]
--[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ86.HTM"]Sacramentalism[/url]
--[url="http://www.petersnet.net/browse/1311.htm"]Devotion to Relics[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Relics.asp"]Relics[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/99ws/ws991014.htm"]What Are Relics?[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/RELICS.htm"]Why Do We Venerate Relics?[/url]
--[url="http://www.petersnet.net/browse/660.htm"]Keeping in Touch with the Saints[/url]

you are right tho, more could be included on this issue. right now i dont' know if i should make a new entry or incorporate this into an existing one. i'll get back to you. thanks for the input

pax christi,
nick

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='Aug 26 2004, 01:51 PM'] i have never not been able to find what i wanted in the ref section.  except of course, the bible charts, and i made those up myself [/quote]
[color=red][b]RED![/b][/color] your back! we missed you!!



































okay, back to the topic at hand

Edited August 26, 2004 by phatcatholic

[StColette]

Thanks phat !! I'm working on that Holy Water tract still and I needed some background info about sacramentals lol that's why I suggested it lol

[Cure of Ars]

My home computer is having technical difficulties right now. We are trying to fix it and I am having intense negotiations with my wife over buying a new computer. I'll keep you up dated how that playes out. My wife is tuff, she should be a car sales women or somthing. Just joking honey!!! So I am not being anti-social if I have not been posting as much lately.

Also I agree that at times it is hard to find things in the reference section. What about making a index page that has all the topic heading with links that go directly to the links? Or somthing like this?

Edited August 26, 2004 by Cure of Ars

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' date='Aug 26 2004, 03:00 PM'] My home computer is having technical difficulties right now. We are trying to fix it and I am having intense negotiations with my wife over buying a new computer. [/quote]
tell her our Holy Mother Church depends on it!!!!

[quote]Also I agree that at times it is hard to find things in the reference section.  What about making a index page that has all the topic heading with links that go directly to the links? Or somthing like this?[/quote]
awesome idea! i'll get right on that....

also, don't forget to delete the links in the "post a link" thread that you have already added to the reference section.

thanks,
nick

[St. Catherine]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' date='Aug 26 2004, 03:00 PM'] My home computer is having technical difficulties right now. We are trying to fix it and I am having intense negotiations with my wife over buying a new computer. I'll keep you up dated how that playes out. My wife is tuff, she should be a car sales women or somthing. Just joking honey!!! So I am not being anti-social if I have not been posting as much lately.

Also I agree that at times it is hard to find things in the reference section. What about making a index page that has all the topic heading with links that go directly to the links? Or somthing like this? [/quote]
HOW RUDE CURE!!!!! Just kidding...

looks like you are doing a good job on the reference section.

[St. Catherine]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Aug 26 2004, 03:14 PM'] tell her our Holy Mother Church depends on it!!!!


[/quote]
OK, OK, a couple of more fixing ideas first before we go off buying new computer.

[phatcatholic]

Cure, is [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=18865"][b]this[/b][/url] what you had in mind?

[StColette]

ooh that's gonna be a big help phat !!

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Good stuff on the Rites of the Church:
[url="http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/stmkrite.html"]http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/stmkrite.html[/url]
[url="http://credo.stormloader.com/ritesofc.htm"]http://credo.stormloader.com/ritesofc.htm[/url]

[Seven77]

phatcatholic, i have a suggestion---how about the Bible study blueprints, Bible overviews, Pontifical Biblical Commission documents commentaries, guides like Lil Red did on which version to read in a new similar subsection in the Word phorum? the apologetics stuff on Scripture would stay here in CA phorum. Dust, what do you think?