ironmonk Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Some have implied if not stated that copy and pasting is a wrong on a debate board such as this. If we were seeking our own glory, then copying and pasting would be wrong. We're not posting for pay, a grade, or glory... we post for the truth... if someone else has articulated it better than we feel that we can, then copy and paste away... it's all for the glory of God, not ourselves. Those that say copying and pasting is wrong, maybe you are here for the wrong reasons... i.e. your own glory. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Amen, Iron! Whoever has eyes to read this ought to read it carefully and thoroughly and consider it well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Amen! I copy and Paste all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 could you imagine typing our own words? I sometimes stutter......... I always go to St. Augie and Karl Keating............. Thank God for copying and pasting! And the resources! They are there for US to use to spread the TRUTH!!!!! B) jmjtina, phatmass. Personal Interview. September 17, 2003. <www.phatmass.com/phorum> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Ironmonk, Sometimes a copy and paste does not address the specific question. Sometimes it's way more information then was asked for and people then ignore it. For example, if you ask your mom to go to the movies and she not only says no, but gives you a discourse on parental authority and the thematic elements of the movie she objects to, you would have tuned her out in 8 seconds. Sometimes cut and past is good because it validates your thoughts with the authority of another who may be an expert, but it isn't always necessry and sometimes obscures the intent of your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Ironmonk, Sometimes a copy and paste does not address the specific question. Sometimes it's way more information then was asked for and people then ignore it. For example, if you ask your mom to go to the movies and she not only says no, but gives you a discourse on parental authority and the thematic elements of the movie she objects to, you would have tuned her out in 8 seconds. Sometimes cut and past is good because it validates your thoughts with the authority of another who may be an expert, but it isn't always necessry and sometimes obscures the intent of your response. I totally agree. Personally, I don't copy and paste. I don't have anything against people that do, it's just that A) I don't have the time to read the long posts and I know others don't either and B) it is plagiarism and God said, "Thou shalt not steal." If you do have to copy and paste, make sure you site the source where you got it from. Sometimes, for convience sake, you can also just post the link. If someone from Catholic Answers, for example, has done a wonderful job of addressing an issue that you are debating, give them credit for it. Possibly quote the important parts, or provide a link for the whole article. Just my opinion, for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Copy and paste.... it's great!!!! Yay for Ctrl+C, ctrl+V Home | The Store | Reading Room | The Phorum | Wallpaper | Music | Fun & Games | Celebrities | E-mail PM Home Page Help Search Members Calendar Logged in as: skuba steve ( Log Out ) My Controls · 0 new messages · View New Posts · My Assistant phatmass phorum -> The Boards -> Debate Table -> Copy And Paste Replying to Copy And Paste Code Buttons Guided Mode Normal Mode FONT Arial Times Courier Impact Geneva Optima SIZE Small Large Largest COLOR Blue Red Purple Orange Yellow Gray Green Close all Tags Open Tags: Enter your Post Clickable Smilies Show All Check Post Length · BB Code Help Post Options Enable emoticons? Enable signature? Enable email notification of replies? Post Icons [ Use None ] File Attachments You may attach a file to this message. Maximum file size: 50k Last 10 Posts [ In reverse order ] JP2Iloveyou Posted on Sep 18 2003, 07:05 AM QUOTE (jasJis @ Sep 18 2003, 06:36 AM) Ironmonk, Sometimes a copy and paste does not address the specific question. Sometimes it's way more information then was asked for and people then ignore it. For example, if you ask your mom to go to the movies and she not only says no, but gives you a discourse on parental authority and the thematic elements of the movie she objects to, you would have tuned her out in 8 seconds. Sometimes cut and past is good because it validates your thoughts with the authority of another who may be an expert, but it isn't always necessry and sometimes obscures the intent of your response. I totally agree. Personally, I don't copy and paste. I don't have anything against people that do, it's just that A) I don't have the time to read the long posts and I know others don't either and it is plagiarism and God said, "Thou shalt not steal." If you do have to copy and paste, make sure you site the source where you got it from. Sometimes, for convience sake, you can also just post the link. If someone from Catholic Answers, for example, has done a wonderful job of addressing an issue that you are debating, give them credit for it. Possibly quote the important parts, or provide a link for the whole article. Just my opinion, for what it's worth. jasJis Posted on Sep 18 2003, 06:36 AM Ironmonk, Sometimes a copy and paste does not address the specific question. Sometimes it's way more information then was asked for and people then ignore it. For example, if you ask your mom to go to the movies and she not only says no, but gives you a discourse on parental authority and the thematic elements of the movie she objects to, you would have tuned her out in 8 seconds. Sometimes cut and past is good because it validates your thoughts with the authority of another who may be an expert, but it isn't always necessry and sometimes obscures the intent of your response. jmjtina Posted on Sep 17 2003, 10:33 PM could you imagine typing our own words? I sometimes stutter......... I always go to St. Augie and Karl Keating............. Thank God for copying and pasting! And the resources! They are there for US to use to spread the TRUTH!!!!! jmjtina, phatmass. Personal Interview. September 17, 2003. <www.phatmass.com/phorum> Mc-Just†Posted on Sep 17 2003, 09:53 PM Amen! I copy and Paste all the time. Dave Posted on Sep 17 2003, 09:41 PM bump Dave Posted on Sep 17 2003, 08:28 PM Amen, Iron! Whoever has eyes to read this ought to read it carefully and thoroughly and consider it well! ironmonk Posted on Sep 17 2003, 08:25 PM Some have implied if not stated that copy and pasting is a wrong on a debate board such as this. If we were seeking our own glory, then copying and pasting would be wrong. We're not posting for pay, a grade, or glory... we post for the truth... if someone else has articulated it better than we feel that we can, then copy and paste away... it's all for the glory of God, not ourselves. Those that say copying and pasting is wrong, maybe you are here for the wrong reasons... i.e. your own glory. God Bless, ironmonk Review the complete topic (launches new window) [ Script Execution time: 0.8403 ] [ 16 queries used ] [ GZIP Enabled ] Powered by Invision Power Board(U) v1.2 RC 1 © 2003 IPS, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted September 18, 2003 Author Share Posted September 18, 2003 I totally agree. Personally, I don't copy and paste. I don't have anything against people that do, it's just that A) I don't have the time to read the long posts and I know others don't either and B) it is plagiarism and God said, "Thou shalt not steal." If you do have to copy and paste, make sure you site the source where you got it from. Sometimes, for convience sake, you can also just post the link. If someone from Catholic Answers, for example, has done a wonderful job of addressing an issue that you are debating, give them credit for it. Possibly quote the important parts, or provide a link for the whole article. Just my opinion, for what it's worth. My goal here is not to display my writing skills. My goal here is not to take credit for being 'right'... It is not me that is right, it is the Church... It is not plagerism on those grounds... we are not stealing thoughts and claiming as our own... we are posting well articulated points when we find them... some are as 'shake n bake' type that bits and pieces come from multiple sources. This board is not for our glory, but for the Church's... for example, if someone from Catholic Answers complained that their exact words were used in a paragraph or two, without given them credit... They are missing the big picture and are poor Catholics... it's about everybody helping everybody in the Church to build up the Church... not bicker about who wrote what. I would think that they would be happy that people are using their work to defend the Church. My goal is to preach the truth, and to be loyal to the Christ via being obediant to the Church. There is nothing new that any of us can come up with to defend the Church. All arguments against the Church have already been addressed by someone somewhere. Even with the big apologists of today, they are not saying anything new... The Church has been around 2000 years, pretty much everything has been said.... God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 My goal here is not to display my writing skills. My goal here is not to take credit for being 'right'... It is not me that is right, it is the Church... It is not plagerism on those grounds... we are not stealing thoughts and claiming as our own... we are posting well articulated points when we find them... some are as 'shake n bake' type that bits and pieces come from multiple sources. This board is not for our glory, but for the Church's... for example, if someone from Catholic Answers complained that their exact words were used in a paragraph or two, without given them credit... They are missing the big picture and are poor Catholics... it's about everybody helping everybody in the Church to build up the Church... not bicker about who wrote what. I would think that they would be happy that people are using their work to defend the Church. My goal is to preach the truth, and to be loyal to the Christ via being obediant to the Church. There is nothing new that any of us can come up with to defend the Church. All arguments against the Church have already been addressed by someone somewhere. Even with the big apologists of today, they are not saying anything new... The Church has been around 2000 years, pretty much everything has been said.... God Bless, ironmonk Ironmonk, I totally agree. However, it IS stealing when you don't site your sources. That is grounds for being expelled from college. God said, "Thou shalt not steal." So, I think it is in keeping with his commandment that when you quote a source, especially if it is an entire article, to at the very least say, "I got this from EWTN.com or Catholic Answers, or Karl Keating, or Jason Evertt, or whoever." If for no other reason to show respect for that person. Plus, it gives your quote more credence because as you pointed out, it proves the Church supports the argument, it's not just your own random thought. Also, here is the link for Catholic Answers policy regarding the use of their tracts. http://www.catholic.com/home/permissions.asp God Bless Also, Ironmonk, I don't want you to take this as a personal attack. I have the utmost respect for you and for your posts. This is just how I feel on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 i got permission to use jason evert's stuff when i was able to go to his talk and ask for his permission. he said, "go for it! i got all of my info from the Pope's writings!" jason evert is cool.... B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 THe problem with that is, some of the stuff I have is so old or came from so many different sources, I have no clue to its original author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted September 18, 2003 Author Share Posted September 18, 2003 THe problem with that is, some of the stuff I have is so old or came from so many different sources, I have no clue to its original author. ditto... Also, I do quote sources... but after answering so much, sometimes material is commited to memory, but not where it came from. This is not college; this is not for a grade; it's to show a point; it's only stealing if we try to pass off the writing as our own. I'm well aware of what the colleges state that plagerism is. I understand where your coming from, but I disagree on the grounds that this is a message board and it's only stealing if we try to pass off the writing as our own. Just because we don't quote every single source that we use to post a point does not equate it to stealing. This post was mainly for one person on the board who was crying about how some here copy and paste... We can copy and paste so easily because we are One Faith. Those who are loyal to the Church as Christ wants us to be, have One Faith, so we're all going to believe the same major things as the Church teaches. I have been in many dialogs with anti-Catholics that say "I don't want to know what the Church thinks or so-n-so thinks, I want to know what "you" think" --- The fact is they don't get that Jesus is real, and like anyone who is real, He is based in fact... Facts that are not realitive... Facts that are not subject to beliefs... Facts that are Facts... and as far as the One True Church is concerned it's based in Fact - not a made up belief system that changes with the times or at people's whims. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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