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Mrs. Bro. Adam

Should smoking ciggarettes be illegal?  

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My statement is. Making Smoking Illegal. Or Make it illegal to produce, either way that virus in our society is gone. Dump the arrogance already..its getting old.

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I know you are, you used that stupid your young line, that all old people do, to try and gain some form of egotism back. :huh:

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1337 k4th0l1x0r

My problem is that the government jumps all over something like ephedrine and bans the substance after a relative handful of people die from its use and doesn't ban tobacco on the same grounds. The American government is way to reactionary and won't be consistent with the judgements it passes.

Tobacco by itself (like good cigars) isn't terrible when compared with ciggarettes. They add so many chemicals to them that it's surprising the government allows them to put all of them in ciggarettes. You'd think they'd put curbs on all those poisons and force the companies to use just tobacco and a few other basic components.

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BullnaChinaShop

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 30 2004, 01:24 AM'] NO! Its simple logic. If you support smoking and its legalization, then you inadvertly support and obviously dont care for the effects it has on people, its simple and straight-forward. [/quote]
You make an assumption here that smoking is being actively legalized. One can be againt making smoking illegal and yet not be for smoking. BLAZEr is arguing that people should be able to choose for themselves to do the virtuous thing and not have the goivernment make everything that could be misused illegal.

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Mrs. Bro. Adam

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Aug 29 2004, 02:40 PM'] You are all a bunch of socialists communists. I seriously cannot believe you are advocating making cigarettes and smoking illegal. You all are terribly accustomed to a Nanny State telling you what is good and bad for you, you don't even know how good it is too allow people to choose the good for the good's sake, not just becasue the alternative is illegal.

Seriously, Thomas Aquinas, and those who believe in limited Government would be appalled with many of you right now! [/quote]
Uh...you think you could refrain from insulting people, there, BLAZEr?


People were complaining that there were no threads with substance on Open Mic, so I started one. And to insult me, and others who have posted on this thread is out of line. Doesn't matter whether you agree with people or not, or even what you think of them. You can think us all communists, but don't call us that. That's against board policy.


People are fallible. SOmetimes they're incapable of making the right decision. What about those pregnant women who have to inhale second-hand smoke? That goes straight to the baby. Should that be legal?


I was sitting outside, doing my cross-stitching, waiting for fireworks to start, and what do the people in front of us do? They smoke five or six ciggarettes, without even looking back, or asking us if we minded. Should I have to smoke because other people want to smoke? Because that's what those who stand by/walk by are made to do. They're made to smoke, whether they want to or not. Second-hand smokes goes into the passerbys lungs, and are resulted in having their lungs blackened a bit.

If you ask my opinion. I think smoking in all public places, inside and out should be illegal. If you want to smoke, stay home and do it; don't go out and public and force others to smoke who have chosen to have no part in it. But then again, I guess I'm used to having a mind and deciding that I want to do everything I can to remain healthy. And it looks to me that me having a decision to not want to smoke someone's second-hand smoke makes me a communist. Eh?



So much for trying to bring something other than fluff to the Open Mic without insults resulting.

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IcePrincessKRS

[quote name='Phazzan' date='Aug 30 2004, 02:40 AM'] Morph's right Blazer, your arrogance will probably be your downfall. No offence... [/quote]
How is not flying off the handle like certain other parties arrogant? In the last page and a half Blazer is the only one who seems to be behaving like a normal rational human being. (Well, until 1337 and Bullna posted that is...)

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1337 k4th0l1x0r

[quote name='BullnaChinaShop' date='Aug 30 2004, 08:56 AM'] You make an assumption here that smoking is being actively legalized. One can be againt making smoking illegal and yet not be for smoking. BLAZEr is arguing that people should be able to choose for themselves to do the virtuous thing and not have the goivernment make everything that could be misused illegal. [/quote]
I first saw this argument and thought that this is the same kind of argument that pro-choice people who claim to be 'personally pro-life' use. The only difference is that smoking does not always kill people, whereas abortion always does. I do, however, think the argument that people should do the right thing on their own sets us up for having some of our pro-life arguments shut down.

Anyways, back to the main topic. The ingredients in cigarettes are carcinogens. These carcinogens are released in second-hand smoke as well. If the FDA has the right to regulate carcinogens in foods and drugs, it should treat ciggarettes just the same. However, can cancer be elevated above all the other diseases? Is it okay to outlaw a cancer-causing chemical and not one that causes liver disease or obesity? In this case you must also argue for the outlawing of alcohol and Big Macs, not to mention just about every food since they all pose some sort of health risk. I don't think that cigarettes should be banned, but that most of the chemical added to the tobacco should be banned. If you look at the cancer rates and the severity of the cancers between cigar and cigarette smokers, you'll see that it's more than tobacco at work.

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Archaeology cat

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 28 2004, 03:23 PM'] The CCC says that the excessive use, or abuse of tobacco is bad, not smoking at all. I would say that cigarettes, because they are so addictive and because you inhale the smoke, are the worst kind of tobacco use. But an occassional pipe or something is a great thing, one of the many God given pleasures in life which we should be thankful for. Making tobacco illegal seems a bit extreme. I think there are too many laws already. I don't like the tobacco companies, or rampant cigarette addiction, but tobacco is still cool in my book. [/quote]
I agree. I mean, I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do have the very rare, occassional cigar. For me, it's a way of hanging out and relaxing after a few hard tests or papers or whatever else came up at school. I also agree with Blazer & BullnaChinaShop - we should be able to make our own informed, intelligent decisions regarding smoking, without making it illegal. Just my thought. . .

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IcePrincessKRS

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 30 2004, 10:25 AM'] :wacko: What have I done?! :wacko: [/quote]
Nothing wrong. :wub:

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