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Mrs. Bro. Adam

Should smoking ciggarettes be illegal?  

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IcePrincessKRS

heh heh Well, I've been trying to hold my tongue... I've been fuming about a trend I've notived in this thread (and others) dealing with the insults and I'm just holding it in. It has nothing really to do with the whole smoking topic so I'm not posting it. lol

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No, they shouldn't be illegal. What if someone wants to have a smoke every now and then to relax? This shouldn't be allowed? That's like making alcohol illegal because some people abuse it. Anything can be abused. Should we make cars illegal because some people drive recklessly?

For the record, I don't smoke. But I used to. I quit because I realized it was something I didn't want to do anymore. But I don't have anything against smokers or smoking in general.

God bless.

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[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Aug 28 2004, 01:59 PM'] Yeah, those are the ones I think they should change. I understand that nicotine in and of itself is addicting, but I truly believe it's all the other chemicals that go into making the tobacco "burn" just right or taste a certain way that are the true culprits (as far as making smoke just down right horrible). Do you know what they put in "menthol" cigarettes to make the menthol taste? It's not mint (which is where natural menthol comes from), nope, its [i]fiberglass[/i]. Let me say that again for anyone who missed it....FIBERGLASS. The same stuff a 70's Corvette is made mostly of.

The same stuff they use in insulation. You know, the stuff you're not supposed to be breathing. [/quote]
[url="http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/menthol.asp"]http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/menthol.asp[/url]

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Mrs. Bro. Adam

[quote name='MrsFrozen' date='Aug 30 2004, 12:20 PM'] No, they shouldn't be illegal. What if someone wants to have a smoke every now and then to relax? This shouldn't be allowed? That's like making alcohol illegal because some people abuse it. Anything can be abused. Should we make cars illegal because some people drive recklessly?

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I think it should be banned to smoke in [b]all[/b] public places, except for bar atmospheres. I mean, I don't think I should have to inhale someone's leftover smoke. And that's what happens when a person smokes. Everyone around them has just smoked their ciggeratte along with them, whether they wanted to or not. People don't know how to be courteous anymore. As for cars, they shouldn't be allowed to drive if they can't drive without being reckless.

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Noel's angel

The only thing i have against smoking is that it has an effect on others, if someone wants to smoke, then thats their own choice, they can give themselves lung cancer if they wnt, but i think it should be banned in public places where it will affect the health of others

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Mrs. Bro. Adam

[quote name='Fiat_Voluntas_Tua' date='Aug 30 2004, 12:43 PM'] Like St. Benedict said..."All things in moderation"

Ut In Omnibus Glorificetur Deus. [/quote]
You have to be very careful with how you use that though, because just using that, it's like saying "Nothing is wrong, as long as it's in moderation."


That would include pre-marital relations, robberies, murders, adultery, so on and so forth.

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[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 30 2004, 09:11 AM'] Uh...you think you could refrain from insulting people, there, BLAZEr?


People were complaining that there were no threads with substance on Open Mic, so I started one. And to insult me, and others who have posted on this thread is out of line. Doesn't matter whether you agree with people or not, or even what you think of them. You can think us all communists, but don't call us that. That's against board policy.


People are fallible. SOmetimes they're incapable of making the right decision. What about those pregnant women who have to inhale second-hand smoke? That goes straight to the baby. Should that be legal?


I was sitting outside, doing my cross-stitching, waiting for fireworks to start, and what do the people in front of us do? They smoke five or six ciggarettes, without even looking back, or asking us if we minded. Should I have to smoke because other people want to smoke? Because that's what those who stand by/walk by are made to do. They're made to smoke, whether they want to or not. Second-hand smokes goes into the passerbys lungs, and are resulted in having their lungs blackened a bit.

If you ask my opinion. I think smoking in all public places, inside and out should be illegal. If you want to smoke, stay home and do it; don't go out and public and force others to smoke who have chosen to have no part in it. But then again, I guess I'm used to having a mind and deciding that I want to do everything I can to remain healthy. And it looks to me that me having a decision to not want to smoke someone's second-hand smoke makes me a communist. Eh? [/quote]
Mrs. Bro Adam,

I didn't mean to insult you (or anyone) by "calling" anyone a communist of socialist as much as I meant to imply that this type of law is typical of communist/socialist socieities where in the name of "public health" things are made illegal for the good of the "society."

I can appreciate your desire to not be around smoke, but honestly couldn't the same be said about non-smokers as you said about smokers? Why can't you just stay home if you don't want to be around smoke?

My point remains that I believe education is a better method to prevent smoking than a move to make it illegal. Most Cities are already adopting strict non-smoking ordinances (which honestly cannot be enforced outdoors, where you have the freedom to get up and move somewhere else).

I didn't mean to be insulting, but I don't apologize for suggesting that this mentality arises from a communist/socialist philosophy. Besides, who said being a communist was an insult? I'm sure there are people out there who think it a compliment or at least neutral. My point is only that these types of laws are not democratic.

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homeschoolmom

First of all, I think it is more accurate to say that those wishing to control behavior by outlawing bad behavior is more "facist" than "communist"... but I digress (I am NOT calling anyone a facist... :)

Have you never been in a busy, bustling city? There are fumes all over the place. They're there and they effect your heath. Do you avoid the city? Do you ban trucks from driving there? No. It's just a risk of living in the city.

Would you ban all carpeting in public places? Carpets not only have formaldehyde in them, they harbor all kinds of molds, mildews and other alergens. But do we ban them? No. It's just one of the risks of living.

Same with smoking. I don't smoke. No one in my family smokes. We are die hard anti smoking (Ask PedroX). I have taught my children not to smoke and I forbid anyone to smoke in my home. But would I make it illegal. Nope. Walking past people who happen to be smoking is one of life's risks. I can choose to frequent restaurants who are completely smoke free (and I do). Or, I can choose to go into a smokey bar (which I don't)... but that's my choice. Just about every public place in Minnesota is under the clean indoor air act. And I like it. Clean air!

Regualations on what kind of carp they put in cigarettes and where people can smoke them is much better than an out right ban.

I just wish people were more careful with the butts... (but again, I digress)...

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lol . . . fascists tend to attack civil liberties . . . communists attack all liberties . . . lol

Although I guess I would normall call the government in Ann Arbor communist AND fascist . . .

so, yeah . . . lol

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[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 30 2004, 01:02 PM'] You have to be very careful with how you use that though, because just using that, it's like saying "Nothing is wrong, as long as it's in moderation."


That would include pre-marital relations, robberies, murders, adultery, so on and so forth. [/quote]
I don't think he was including mortal sins in that...

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White Knight

Yes Smoking sould be Illegal, its harmful to your health and everyone elses, thats one thing I wouldn't mind the Government taking away from the people. Good rittons to bad rubbish.

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[quote name='BullnaChinaShop' date='Aug 31 2004, 12:26 AM'] You make an assumption here that smoking is being actively legalized. One can be againt making smoking illegal and yet not be for smoking. BLAZEr is arguing that people should be able to choose for themselves to do the virtuous thing and not have the goivernment make everything that could be misused illegal. [/quote]
An assumption? Do you see laws being passed to ban it? I dont.

Then the same can apply for a variety of other drugs, and even medical procedures, such as abortion.

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