theculturewarrior Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I second that, dUst! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Sep 2 2004, 06:56 PM'] Hmmm... Let's get him canonized. [/quote] Very well. I'll prepare the canon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 pie cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 pi cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 3.14159265 cannon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 i thought u had hve to perform a miricle in order to become a saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Sep 2 2004, 08:38 PM'] 3.14159265 cannon? [/quote] What have I done...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 What is "succombing to despair"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Sep 2 2004, 09:01 PM'] What is "succombing to despair"? [/quote] It means that he gave in to despair, which is essentially giving up on God and losing all hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 2 2004, 08:02 PM'] It means that he gave in to despair, which is essentially giving up on God and losing all hope. [/quote] Isn't it human nature to assume that if you've been buried alive, you're number's up? I mean, I don't think that he WILLFULLY gave into despare, doubted God or anything. Sheee... the guy was six feet under, he panicked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 2 2004, 09:13 PM'] Isn't it human nature to assume that if you've been buried alive, you're number's up? I mean, I don't think that he WILLFULLY gave into despare, doubted God or anything. Sheee... the guy was six feet under, he panicked... [/quote] No...he could hope that God would rescue him or he could despair that God didn't. Neither of them means that God would have to rescue him. Despair could also mean that he refused to carry the Cross of it, which would be comparable to if St. Maximilian Kolbe had been in the ovens and allowed the pain to overwhelm him into giving up. It's essentially a refusal of God's grace to last through it and offer it up, but rather, to desire death soon and despair in the pain. It's really quite illogical. This is one of the things I fear...if I were being martyred, would I hold out by God's grace or would I refuse it out of my pain. Since I believe persecution is coming with the way our culture is going, I want to prepare myself with God for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 So, what you're saying is if I find myself buried alive, I cannot get claustraphobic, panic, pull out my hair and wish that God would have mercy on me and let me die? I must patiently take a deep breath, twiddle my thumbs and pray. If not, I'm commiting a mortal sin and doomed to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 My understanding is that final despair is to doubt that God's Mercy is bigger than your sins. I must reiterate from my post above, it appears that it was internet fiction and Kempis was never doubted to have died a happy death. It is important not to give into scrupulosity. God's not going to send you to hell on a technicality. But pray for a happy death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 [quote]Edgar Allen Poe had a morbid fascination with this sort of stuff. Apparently, it was quite common to be buried alive. [/quote] The term Saved by the bell comes from people being buried alive. They use to attack a string with bell their finger so if they awoke they could ring it. Interesting ey' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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