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[at0m1c]

In 1263, a eucharistic miracle took place at Bolsena, Italy.

Miracle at Bolsena

However, they say there is microbiological evidence that may disprove this.

Microbiological evidence

Any comments?

[Piccoli Fiori JMJ]

In the first link, it says the the blood trickled down his hands and the like, but the bacterium probably would not have...  There have been instatnces where the bacterium was found on hosts, but it was proven quickly to be so and the host is just has a bit of red on it.  I don't think bacterium trickle like blood does..

That is just my opinion on comparing the 2 articles...

And they didn't give much evidence in the second article against it.  They just seemed to have said it was most likely the bacterium...  They didn't prove it with any studies done...

Again...  That is what I saw when comparing them both.

I would believe that the Eucharistic Miracle is true based on what I read there...

[StColette]

Angela is correct in saying re bacteria would not trickle down the way that blood does and also red bacteria would not just suddenly and magically appear. Bacteria like that is a growth over time and it would be completely evident if something had been growing on the host which during that time was baked fresh for each Mass. The blood from the Eucharist did suddenly and miraculously appear and it trickled down. Red bacteria does not trickle the way that blood does.

Another Eucharistic Miracle is the following one:

Eucharistic Miracle

Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.

These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.

The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

[Piccoli Fiori JMJ]

Eucharistic Miracles are so amazing and awe inspiring!  Excellent story on that miracle...  I've read on that one before!

I completely believe that they are true and that they did happen.  Again, in defence of the first one mentioned, they said that there were also stains on the ground from the blood as well.  A bacteria won't do that...

[phatcatholic]

colette is our official verify-er of Eucharistic Miracles!!

(b/c she's a biology major and all )

[Fiat_Voluntas_Tua]

Also...If the Church has approved a miracle/apparition or stated a Dogma/Doctrine...And if some evidence goes against it than it must not be valid evidence... as Catholic's we must believe that the Church is infallible on issue's of Faith and Moral's... And must not believe anything that contradict's Her teaching's, even if scientifically "proven"...

Totus Tuus,

Andy

[StColette]

phatcatholic, on Oct 8 2004, 01:46 PM, said:

colette is our official verify-er of Eucharistic Miracles!!

(b/c she's a biology major and all )

hehehe I wonder if I could become a lab tech a work for the Church

[Piccoli Fiori JMJ]

Fiat_Voluntas_Tua, on Oct 8 2004, 02:03 PM, said:

Also...If the Church has approved a miracle/apparition or stated a Dogma/Doctrine...And if some evidence goes against it than it must not be valid evidence... as Catholic's we must believe that the Church is infallible on issue's of Faith and Moral's... And must not believe anything that contradict's Her teaching's, even if scientifically "proven"...

Totus Tuus,

Andy

werd!

[point5]

Any info on the miracel where the lady lived off of one host a day for forty years...the last 36 without water!

[StColette]

Depends upon which lady Many of the Saints were able to live just completely off the Eucharist. I'll go through and find a list of some of them and get back to you about that

[at0m1c]

Ah, StColete is a Biology major? I'm doing my diploma in biotechnology now...Argh, exams are coming...

[phatcatholic]

StColette, on Oct 9 2004, 03:22 PM, said:

Depends upon which lady Many of the Saints were able to live just completely off the Eucharist. I'll go through and find a list of some of them and get back to you about that

colette, did you find anything?

[StColette]

yep Atomic I'm a Biology Major


hehe Nick I'm still looking, it may take me a while I'm swamped with exams on Mon, Tues, and Wed hehe study study study I've studied into a lot of lives of the Saints now I just need to remember which ones lived solely off the Eucharist hehe

[Benedict]

Forgive the intrusion of a Forensic Toxicology major.  Perhaps this will give StColette a place to start.

Therese Neumann (1898-1962) lived the last 36 years of her life without any food or water other than Holy Communion.  In 1922, at the age of 24, Therese's body rejected any food but the Eucharist and a sip of water.  By 1926, she no longer needed the water.

Therese required no sleep.  She prayed and did chores instead.  At the end of 24 hours, she became tired.  Upon receiving the Eucharist once more, she was filled with energy.

Others have also lived on nothing but the Eucharist for varying lengths of time.  St. Catherine of Siena, St. Joseph of Cupertino, and St. Rose of Lima are some of the better-known saints who have done so.

[StColette]

hehe thanks Benedict It took me a while to remember what the gift of being able to live off the Communion is called I finally remember it though

Here yall go:

The ability to go long periods of time without food and solely live off Communion is called the gift of inedia

Alexandrina Maria da Costa suffering the passion of Jesus and living on the Eucharist alone for thirteen years.

http://www.frtommyla...s/year_b/18.htm


St. Lidwina of Shiedam

Legend says that she had the gift of inedia, and that her only food for her last 19 years was the Eucharist.

http://www.catholic-...ts/saintl12.htm

St. Nicholas von Flüe

Became a hermit in 1467, with the approval of his family; he is reported to have had the gift of inedia, surviving solely on Holy Communion.

Nicholas Von Flue (d. 1487) for 19 years

http://www.catholic-...ts/saintn06.htm

St. Catherine of Siena

St Alphais of Cudot

Had the gift of inedia, of subsisting solely on Holy Communion.

http://www.catholic-...ts/sainta60.htm

St Helen Enselmini

Became a Poor Clare nun at age 12, receiving the veil from Saint Francis of Assisi himself at Arcella. Lived solely off the Eucharist for months.

http://www.catholic-...ts/sainth75.htm

St Elisabeth the Good

Stigmatist whose wounds hurt constantly, but which bled on Fridays and during Lent. Had the gift of inedia.
Born

http://www.catholic-...ts/sainte89.htm

St Mary Ann de Paredes

Given to severe austerities, she slept little, and ate an ounce of dry bread every eight or ten days, surviving solely on the Eucharist which she received during daily Communion.

http://www.catholic-...ts/saintm67.htm

Anne Catherine Emmerick from 1813 - until death in 1824

http://www.catholic-...ts/saintafb.htm

Venerable Domenica dal Paradiso (d. 1553) for 20 years

Blessed Elizabeth von Reute (d.1420) for 15 years

Louise Lateau (d. 1883)(Stigmatist) for 12 years.

St. Francis of Assisi (1181/86?-1226)

Maria Coronel (1602-1665)

Magdalena de la Cruz (1487-1560)

Maria Maddalena de' Pazzi (xxxx-xxxx)

Coeur Jeanne des Anges (1602-1655)

[phatcatholic]

that is.................................awesome

[phatcatholic]

where does the word "inedia" come from?

[StColette]

I believe Inedia means hunger or starvation though I'm not entirely sure, I'll keep looking

[franciscanheart]

this is all so cool

[StColette]

The Latin Vulgate gives reference to the word inedia

Job 18:12

adtenuetur fame robur eius et inedia invadat costas illius

Job 18:12 of the DRV

12  Let his strength be wasted with famine, and let hunger invade his ribs.

Edited by StColette, 10 October 2004 - 09:05 PM.