Diabolical Heretic Martin Luther & Bible

[Katholikos]

QUOTE:

DIABOLICAL HERETIC MARTIN LUTHER and BIBLE

In 397 A.D., the Catholic Church gave a definitive decision as to

which writings and books should be admitted into the Bible and

which should be rejected, and every book which is in the

Protestant New Testament today, was put there by Pope Siricus

and the Catholic Bishops in the year 397 A.D. If Christ had

intended that men should learn Christianity from the New

Testament, what about the hundreds who lived before the first

Bible was given to the world by the Catholic Church? Luther's

Protestant Bible came out 1520 and before his Bible the Catholic

Bible had been translated into Spanish, Italian, Danish, French,

Norwegian, Polish, Bohemian, Hungarian and English, there

was exactly 104 editions in Latin; 38 editions in German

language, 25 editions in Italian language, 18 in French. In all 626

editions of the Bible with 198 in the language of the laity, had

been edited before the fist Protestant Bible was sent forth into

the world.

What books are not found in Protestant Bible?

They are Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch and

the two Books of Machabees, together with fragments of Esther

(x.4; xvi, 24), and Daniel (iii, 24-90; xii., xiv). These books were

contained in the Alexandrian list or Canon of Books which was

used by Greek-speaking Jewsof Alexandria, Asia Minor, Greece

and Italy.

Why did Luther reject 7 books from the Bible?

Because they did not suit his new doctrines. He had arrived at

the principle of private judgment - of picking and choosing

religious doctrines; and whenever any book, such as the book of

Machabees, taught a doctrine contrary to his taste he rejected it

overboard and overboard that book went because it says: 2

Mach. xii 46, "it is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the

dead that they may be loosed from sins." He not only cast out

certain books, but he mutilated some that were left. For example,

not pleased with St. Paul's doctrine, "we are justified by faith,"

Luther added the word "ALONE" to make the sentence read: "We

are justified by faith alone." His explanation of this insertion is

found in his own words, "I know very well that the word 'alone' is

not in the Latin and Greek texts; but Dr. Martin Luther will have it

so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. " St.

Paul writes under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Luther

creates a Lutheran Bible under his own audacity. He shows little

respect for the Bible when he calls the Epistle of St. James "an

Epistle of straw with no character of the Gospel in it." He spoke

disparagingly about the Epistle of St. Jude, the Epistle to the

Hebrews, and the beautiful Apocalipse of St. John.

The Lord's Prayer or the Our Father is in the Bible, but Catholic

prayer differs from the Protestant. Protestants use a conclusion

which was not in the original Greek copies of the New

Testament, namely, "For thine is the kingdom and the power and

the glory, forever. Amen." Catholics say the Lord's Prayer

properly. Before the last book in the New Testament was written

the Catholic Church celebrated her golden jubilee; 11 of the

Apostles had died.

Hence, THE BIBLE CAME FROM THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH

DID NOT COME FROM THE BIBLE. Christianity existed over 300

years without one single Bible Christian.

http://www.marianland.com/truech03.html

UNQUOTE

Hmmmm. This showed up in my mailbox today. Very timely, with the false Martin Luther Bio being shown on PBS. Was there anything about Luther's desecration of the Bible in the bio? If so, I slept through that part.

I could have written this myself. Those who've been around phatmass very long have read something like this many times before. Same song, different words. But I never thought to call Luther a diabolical heretic -- darn it!

JMJ Jay (Likos)

Katholikos

Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!

[Anna]

Oh my gosh, Likos, I truly thought that you had written that yourself, until you provided the link!

A very informative piece, to be sure.

Imagine, the first three centuries of Christians weren't "Bible Christians!"

And how many times have you reminded us that "the Bible came from the Church; the Church didn't 'come from' the Bible!"

Likos has a twin somewhere...or...a clone.....?

[Katholikos]

Oh my gosh, Likos, I truly thought that you had written that yourself, until you provided the link!

A very informative piece, to be sure.

Imagine, the first three centuries of Christians weren't "Bible Christians!"

And how many times have you reminded us that "the Bible came from the Church; the Church didn't 'come from' the Bible!"

Likos has a twin somewhere...or...a clone.....? 

Anna, I think the similarity illustrates that there is only one TRUTH. And that both I and the other writer from Marianland have read these facts numerous times before in numerous unremembered sources, written by numerous defenders of the faith whose names we can't recall. We all stand on the shoulders of those who got there first!

[Joyful]

So many protestants quote Romans when defending their faith alone doctrine, but, correct me if I'm wrong, Romans treats faith and works as if they're mutually exclusive. In example:

Romans 9:32

Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone."

In this verse it is inferred that the Israelites tried to achieve salvation through works alone which cannot be done, but it doesn't say that faith and works hand in hand is incorrect.

On the other hand, Faith alone is point blank denied:

James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Right?

[Anna]

I'd agree with that, Joyful. James 2:26 says, "Faith without works is dead."

[hyperdulia again]

I don't get why Protestants can't plainly and simply see what those words say. "Faith without works is dead."

dead---not alive, lacking life, asleep.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

pushin' up the daisies if ya will

[hyperdulia again]

javol!

[Brother Adam]

yeah, but it doesn't say your going to hell.

Why can't Catholics see that the Bible says what John 3:16 says! so

Edited July 17, 2003 by Brother Adam

[hyperdulia again]

ok so you can be saved by dead faith?

[hyperdulia again]

what has john 3:16 to do with this conversation?

[hyperdulia again]

Why don't Protestants get John 6:51-56?

[Joyful]

Matthew 25:31-46

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,

32 and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'

37 Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'

40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'

44 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'

45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'

46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

This is another confirmation of salvation through faith AND works. The sheep inherited the kingdom of God because they performed good works. The goats did nothing and went off to eternal punishment. Just a thought.

[musturde]

I asked a priest why the 7 books of the Old Testament were taken out, he replied with something like "They were not found in Hebrew.".

[nippy316]

Why don't Protestants get John 6:51-56?

True Hyper...and John 20:23 is on my mind as well. But, that's a different thread. However, if there are any protestants out there who can explain it on this one, be my guest.

nippy316/Justine

Edited July 18, 2003 by nippy316