choosing not to be catholic
Posted 15 October 2005 - 05:18 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 05:21 PM
If one read everything on phatmass and was convinced that Catholicism was the fullness of the Truth, but still chose not to convert, then they are being unreasonable.
If they are not convinced, they are not being unreasonable.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 05:28 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:16 PM
(I voted I don't know like morostheos)
Posted 15 October 2005 - 07:59 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 08:15 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 08:36 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 08:37 PM
In all fairness, that's not a valid argument...using free will properly would demand becoming Catholic, if one truly saw the faith of the Church.
I voted no because, God gives us all free will and that person would be using free will.
Not to do so would be an act of using free will to a lesser extent than it was meant to be used.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 08:42 PM
And yeah they're not very good reasons, but if you think about it there are people like this.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 09:45 PM
Posted 15 October 2005 - 10:09 PM
Free will is simply God giving you the chance to do the right thing. If you understand all the reasons to be Catholic, and God fills you with the grace of conversion and you don't convert you would be a fool.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 10:28 PM
My experience was similar ... I recently did quite a bit of thinking about my conversion process ... generally when I tell the story, I focus in on the intellectual process and the thought progression I went through. But in reality, those thoughts were accompanied by emotional and spiritual experiences that were no less significant than the intellectual process. And in many ways, it was the spiritual and emotional events that tipped the scales in my becoming Catholic. Intellectual assent alone probably wouldn't have done it.
My conversion was based on an encounter with Christ and an ever deepening union with Him (when I'm not being a brat) through the life of the Church. Learning theology and all that only came after.
Posted 16 October 2005 - 08:06 AM
Edited by Antonius, 16 October 2005 - 08:08 AM.
Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:40 PM
but this is phatmass..
I voted "yes" because it would be unreasonable to place the weight of conversion solely on a web forum.
Posted 16 October 2005 - 02:38 PM
And this is PHATmass.
Posted 16 October 2005 - 10:05 PM
I refuse to speculate. But if I were to speculate I would say yes.
yes. If your searching for the Truth, it would be unreasonable. But I'm pretty sure if you read everything, you would follow through with suggestions that state to visit a parish, go on retreat, pray a rosary, etc.
I think our Church Scholars could answer what you need and phatcatholic has tons of great stuff in that library. It's crazy to think anyone has read everything and understood it all and refused to be catholic.
Posted 17 October 2005 - 11:02 AM
Many people won't be swayed by a purely intellectual understanding of things. They have to take it to heart for it to touch them. If they were convinced that it was the truth (and in more than in a purely intellectual argumentative way), then, yes, that would be unreasonable. Then, you'd be like the rich young man.
I know that in my case, it was the argument of joy in the faces of people who were truly into their faith that sold me. Paul says that "faith comes from hearing." A lot of that is not simply the arguments that people hear. It's from the joy of the proclaimer and his living out of that faith that turns an eloquent speech into a moving exhortation.