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cathoholic_anonymous
Everywhere seemed perfectly safe, and we travelled all over the Holy Land. The most tedious and dangerous places for me were checkpoints, as the Israeli soldiers insisted on putting me through an inquisition because of the Saudi visas in my passport. They asked such racist questions as well. :annoyed: Apart from that, it was fine.

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Emile James
[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1161874' date='Jan 11 2007, 04:29 PM']
Oh wow. Is is safe there in Galilee? I'm pretty sure the Srs of Bethlehem don't have anything built yet, just plans. The best way to find out more about this foundation is to contact the Mother Prioress of the order at Bet Gemal, Israel.

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Sr. Isabelle
Prioress of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem

She's very nice and speaks English very well. She took the time to speak to each retreatant at the Evangelical Month at Les Montsvoirons.
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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

[b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url]
a meditation with sound...

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HisChild
Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences?

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Emile James
[quote name='HisChild' post='1163625' date='Jan 13 2007, 10:03 AM']
Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences?
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
Thank-you, it as a challenge doing on this borrowed computer.learning as i go..not being around computers the last 4 years!!

If you want to see the USA Community, unfortunately the person who had pictures on line has been taken off. It is possible the Community does not like media promtions.mine may not stay on long either.
yOu can always write the Sisters in the USA, and ask for a booklet about them, it has good detail and pictures...:)

They are a Roman Catholic Community , Pontifical Right..
The Holy mass is Roman , but a variation of the Carthusian Rite.(Monastic, simple silent, though in the vernacular)
St. Brunos model being the Egyptian Desert Fathers and palestinian Lauras, as understood at the time..
as far as Eastern, there Divine Office is a truncated version of the Byzantine Church Office..while in the past much more of the Slav Tradition, i notice it has become more of the direct Greek Byzantine Tradition of The Holy Hours and style. since they are more involved now in the Holy Land and Egypt.

....use and veneration of Icons and the 'Jesus Prayer or 'Prayer of the Heart' with a chotki, while not at all exclusive to the East..is a large part of the Communities Spiritual life.

peace and goodness...........E-J Edited by Emile James

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Chiquitunga
Thanks Cathoholic Anonymous, for the info. on safety in Galilee!

[quote name='Emile James' post='1163610' date='Jan 13 2007, 11:43 AM']
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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

[b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url]
a meditation with sound...
[/quote] Hey, thanks for this great little presentation of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem! Did you make this yourself? It's beautiful, and with the sisters and then the monks singing .. Yeah, they always sing that particular verion of Salve Regina after Vespers. Thanks! :) We have a pretty good thread here of info on this order. I don't think you can go anywhere else online and find more than we've got here. :D: Edited by Margaret Clare

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Chiquitunga
I'm copying and pasting a few things from a post of Emile James on the Carthusian nuns thread here.

I was asking about whether the Carthusians have Papal Enclosure or not .. [quote]Glory to Jesus Christ!
. well, as i understand it ,Papal Enclosure, is only for womens Communities.
Trying to translate the fantastic Italian site on the Nuns, it doesn't seem they are officially Papal Enclosure, yet being a Papal order(as opposed to diocesan),they have strict enclosure due to the constitutions.[/quote] This is how Bethlehem is - not Papal Enclosure, but a strict enclosure according to the Constitutions. When I was asking the sister at LM last time I was there about this, she was saying how they are a Papal Order, and I didn't really understand how this effected enclosure - but I see Emile James commenting here on on what a Papal Order is, as opposed to diocesan - so it seems this makes Constitutional Enclosure even stricter.

So the Srs of Bethlehem really have the same type of enclosure as the Carthusian Nuns. Only I think the individual monasteris of the Carthusian Nuns are more autonomous. I read that somewhere, that that was one of the changes the order experienced after VII.

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Chiquitunga
Then I was asking about coffee .. :coffee:
[quote]coffee...i would be very surprised if the Carthusians did not allow coffee etc, . esp. in Italy.
again its not so much allowance per rules..as a desire to have a well balanced healthy /pure /body, mind, spirit

While knowing the Bethlehem Community is more flexible in each persons personal spiritual growth, i know that while in Italy, the brothers kept me supplied with Italian coffee, without me ever asking, i mean, hey, its italy, and men...no coffee? unthinkable
The French arent so into coffee, and the Community of Bethlehem in General (in fact most every French Monstic community i know) is really into homeopathy and naturapathy, which i do find odd since, because this is in most French culture, we dont have this as normal. all the pharmacies in France have a homeopathy/naturapathy section, and normal MD s prescribe those litte bits of arsenic wrapped up in a sugar ball..smile.gif
The French Community does see caffiene and alcohol as excitents and not helpful to a balanced mind/body/spirit for contemplation...i, with my one morning cup..tend to agree.[/quote]
At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course.

That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you.

Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. :yawn:

I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! :saint: Edited by Margaret Clare

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Emile James
[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1163890' date='Jan 13 2007, 05:56 PM']
Then I was asking about coffee .. :coffee:

At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course.

That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you.

Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. :yawn:

I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! :saint:
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wow a Monastic-coffee thread! :P
from much personal experience -the brothers of St John definetly drink coffee, they need it more than the Sisters!!!..except of course at a HUGE place like St Jodard..again, depends on what country youre in..one will find some communities worldwide who still keep allot of little ideas and cultural traditions form there founding place, like Bethlehem Communities , and the French, tend to do....others take on more of a surrounding culture within the local community..
yet, begging, calling down the Holy Spirit in the morning on your face...gotta be better than coffee?? :P
and when i worked with the Benedictines in Italy, it was coffee/wine/coffee/wine...
:blink: Edited by Emile James

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Emile James' post='1163610' date='Jan 13 2007, 11:43 AM']
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Glory to Jesus Christ..
i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube
peace and goodness...

[b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno."
[/b]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url]
a meditation with sound...
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I see they have the Hermits of Bethlehem of the Heart of Jesus ( in Chester, NJ) EWTN program on youtube also, in 3 parts. Search "Hermits of Bethlehem" I haven't seen it yet, but will. :j

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HisChild
I've seen all 3 of the youtube videos and have just ordered the book that the founding father, Fr Romano, wrote about the desert spirituality. I'll let you know what the book's like! ;)

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Emile James
a relevant link(s)

[url="http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_Prayer_-_The_Prayer_of_the_Heart"]http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_...er_of_the_Heart[/url]

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EJames
ADDRESS OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE COMMUNITIES OF BETHLEHEM,
THE ASSUMPTION AND ST BRUNO

Saturday, 14 March 1998

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[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1998/march/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19980314_monaci-bethleem_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_pau...ethleem_en.html[/url]

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EJames
this video is switched over now to google.;)
[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6890761969171061412&hl=en"]Monastic Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem Video[/url]

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EJames
[quote name='SisterAli' post='1196001' date='Feb 15 2007, 10:48 AM']
Incredible, that's about all I can say. Wow...the video was amazing. Do you know where in the USA they are located????
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actually yes, if you scroll down at this link, youll see adress
[url="http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/monastic-community-of-bethlehem.html"]http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/...-bethlehem.html[/url]

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EJames
newly found photos of the Moanstery of Monastic Sisters of Bethlehem and the Assumption...
at the old Chartreuse in La Verne( west of st Tropez,France)..allot!! of tourists come by there to take pictures, but there are few public spaces so.....it has a little museum, and The Sisters take up 70% of the property,for cloister.
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EJames
[img]http://k43.pbase.com/u30/omayok/upload/18340412.verne122.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i5.pbase.com/u30/omayok/upload/18340397.verne104.jpg[/img] Edited by EJames

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Chiquitunga
Wow, thank EJames, for the great photos!

Okay, I just wanted to post something I put in another thread about the Srs of Bethlehem here too (particularly as I was writing about the annual Evangelical Month retreat in August, which I don't think I wrote much on in this thread yet):

[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1179440' date='Jan 29 2007, 03:13 PM']Guten tag, Desire! Willkommen! (I took German in HS and am German/Irish/Croatian American ^_^ ) I highly recommend the Sisters of Bethlehem who have a monastery in Germany. We have a pretty long thread about them about here - [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=56995"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=56995[/url]

They are different than many communities, in that they have both a Western and Eastern spirituality, with the icons and everything, (though the Carthusians, which they are very similar to with St. Bruno, also have the icons, but are more Western, with a Latin Office) Their Office and Mass are primarily in the vernacular, with some Latin and sometimes a little Herbrew & Greek, and is the Byzantine Office (though I believe it's their own particular Office, approved by Rome, as the Carthusians have their own office also) Then their Mass is the regular Mass of Pope Paul VI, but with more silence and a few different elements.

They do receive Holy Communion on the tongue, though I didn't see them kneeling, but that may be an option.

I would highly recommend visiting their monastery, and you could ask them about other good orthodox communities in Germany too - which I'm sure they could help you with.

They are truly a wonderful monastic community. And they have this discernment retreat every year at the monastery in Les Montsvoirons, near Geneva, in France, called the Evangelical Month (sounds slightly protestant, but it's not at all, totally solid Catholic).

I went in 2003, and I believe it was the best month I have ever had in my life! It's is such a beautiful retreat! I can't recommend it enough! The conferences were given in French, but all the retreatants from different nationalities had a translator for everything, and it was so incredibly organized. Each retreatant has their own cell, and lots of time in solitude. The conferences are given by the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle, and a few by the Father Prior, through a speaker that each retreatant has in their cell. Then there are times when everyone is together for the Liturgy and Mass in the Church, and other times for adoration, and gatherings for talks, and a couple slideshows - I remember one was of the different places in the Holy Land, where different important events of our Faith took place, like Mount Tabor and the room where the Annunciation was supposed to have happened. And then there was a slideshow about the history of their order, the Monastic Family of Bethlehem of the Assumption of the Virgin and of St. Bruno.

The Sisters in Livingston Manor, NY invited me after my first visit to their monastery in 2003. I wasn't really sure if this was the order God was calling me to, but the Superior, Sr. Amena said this retreat is for everyone discerning their vocation, not only specifically to the Monastic Family of Bethlehem. It is such a beautiful retreat, I can hardly find the words ... I am thinking of going again this year, unless Our Lord has other plans.

There were definitely some sisters from Germany there, I remember & one discerner I remember was from Austria. I was the only American, though there were a few Canadians - but actually I felt really at home with all the people there. The sisters are incredibly friendly. And each retreatant gets what they call an "angel" whom you can talk with personally to ask questions and everything. I got Sr. Marie d'Aire, who was French but spoke English very well, and she was awesome to talk with! Then my translator was a sister from England, from one of the French monasteries.

Even if you are pretty sure you're not called to this community, I still highly recommend this retreat. It gives a whole overview of salvation history, and is great formation for the contemplative life. I remember so many things to this day, that I didn't know before the retreat. Each day covers a different part of salvation history, Sacred Scripture, and other topics relating to monastic life. It's starts with the existence of the Trinity before time & the world, the angels & their Fall, Creation of man, & our Fall, and everything that led up to God's plan of salvation in Christ, though not in every detail, just an overview - like the prophets, Abrahman .. Moses (and relates them to the contemplative life of faith & prayer) And within the month, they celebrate one day as Christmas, and then even have a Holy Week. Their celebration, if celebration is the right word .., of Good Friday in the middle of August, was really my most prayerful "Good Friday" ever. And yes, it's always in the month of August, with the feast of the Assumption right in the middle - the main patronage of their order. And they do not ask for any payment for this retreat. It is just that you have to pay for your plane ticket, but maybe it would not require a plane ticket for you, or least would be much less traveling to get to. I flew to NY and then to Gevena, and they picked me up right at the airport, with a big sign with my name on it. :j ...[/quote]

Also, I wanted to add, that there is no cost or donation requested for this retreat, only we did give them one, which was accepted with much gratitude. But it seriously is not expected. It's just that you have to pay for your plane ticket. Edited by Margaret Clare

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Chiquitunga
Also for this retreat at Les Montsvoirons, it doesn't matter if you can't understand French (not sure if I put this on here before) as they have many sister translators there, that can translate all the conferences for you, and you hear the version in your own language in the speaker in your cell, though you can still hear the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle giving the talks in French in the background, which is really neat. I realy felt on this retreat a great unity in this Monastic Family, from the French sisters, to the Spanish, Italiain, German, Polish, Lituanian .. etc. Most people there could speak at least some English, and the Prioress speaks English very well. They really didn't make me feel like a foreigner at all, or a spoiled American or anything like that. Everyone was so welcoming. I'll always remember this one French novice that welcomed me, saying a few times, "It's a joy to have you here, a joy!" ^_^

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EJames
[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1198523' date='Feb 17 2007, 05:43 PM']Also for this retreat at Les Montsvoirons, it doesn't matter if you can't understand French (not sure if I put this on here before) as they have many sister translators there, that can translate all the conferences for you, and you hear the version in your own language in the speaker in your cell, though you can still hear the Mother Prioress, Sr. Isabelle giving the talks in French in the background, which is really neat. I realy felt on this retreat a great unity in this Monastic Family, from the French sisters, to the Spanish, Italiain, German, Polish, Lituanian .. etc. Most people there could speak at least some English, and the Prioress speaks English very well. They really didn't make me feel like a foreigner at all, or a spoiled American or anything like that. Everyone was so welcoming. I'll always remember this one French novice that welcomed me, saying a few times, "It's a joy to have you here, a joy!" ^_^[/quote]
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Monastère Notre-Dame de la Gloire-Dieu
Les Montsvoirons
74420 Boëge , :rolleyes: France

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